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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/5/2007 5:05:25 PM
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/5/2007 6:34:03 PM
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If you want to understand why so many Republicans find paul threatening, take a look at the guy's voting record:
Brief Overview of Congressman Paul’s Record:
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against the Iraq war.
Those are two very good reasons not to vote for him.
How many terrorist attacks did the Patriot Attack prevent? We may never know but it had to be more than just a few.
Would you rather have Saddam Hussein still be in charge of Iraq? What if we didn't take him out and he was able to attack us? I can hear the moaning about how Pres. Bush had a chance to do something but chose instead to keep trying the failed attempts at diplomacy.
BTW no republican running for president scares me or makes me nervous, what really makes me nervous is that the American people might believe enough of Hillary's lies to elect her president.
THAT WOULD BE SCARY!!
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/5/2007 10:42:33 PM
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ORIGINAL: constitutional_con
If you want to understand why so many Republicans find paul threatening, take a look at the guy's voting record:
Brief Overview of Congressman Paul’s Record:
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against the Iraq war.
Those are two very good reasons not to vote for him.
How many terrorist attacks did the Patriot Attack prevent? We may never know but it had to be more than just a few.
Would you rather have Saddam Hussein still be in charge of Iraq? What if we didn't take him out and he was able to attack us? I can hear the moaning about how Pres. Bush had a chance to do something but chose instead to keep trying the failed attempts at diplomacy.
BTW no republican running for president scares me or makes me nervous, what really makes me nervous is that the American people might believe enough of Hillary's lies to elect her president.
THAT WOULD BE SCARY!!
The reason why Ron Paul voted against the Patriot Act, was simply because it's UNCONSTITUTIONAL! http://www.aclu.org/safefree/resources/17343res20031114.html
I'm sorry, but I agree with Ben Franklin when he said, that if we forfeit liberty for security, we won't have either.
I don't understand why people think that if we brought all our troops home, we would be at risk for more attacks. If we had all of our service men and women here at home defending the homeland, we wouldn't have nothing to fear. We've got the most sophisticated military in the world...if someone wanted to shoot a rocket over, we'd shoot it down in no time.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/6/2007 8:31:13 AM
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http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2007/11/we-just-keep-go.html
Over $3,800,000 raised in one day. Is that fake money support?
He's looking to raise $12 million by Dec. 31. He's up to over $7 million and it's only Nov. 6.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/6/2007 8:41:22 AM
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Yup. Money buys influence.
Isn't that in the Constitution somewhere? 
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/6/2007 11:27:24 AM
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Paul sets one-day GOP fundraising record
Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul, aided by an extraordinary outpouring of Internet support Monday, hauled in more than $4.2 million in nearly 24 hours.
Paul, the Texas congressman with a libertarian tilt and an out-of-Iraq pitch, entered heady fundraising territory with a surge of Web-based giving tied to the commemoration of Guy Fawkes Day.
Fawkes was a British mercenary who failed in his attempt to kill King James I on Nov. 5, 1605. He also was the model for the protagonist in the movie “V for Vendetta.” Paul backers motivated donors on the Internet with mashed-up clips of the film on the online video site YouTube as well as the Guy Fawkes Day refrain: “Remember, remember the 5th of November.”
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/6/2007 5:43:08 PM
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[/quote]The reason why Ron Paul voted against the Patriot Act, was simply because it's UNCONSTITUTIONAL! http://www.aclu.org/safefree/resources/17343res20031114.html
I'm sorry, but I agree with Ben Franklin when he said, that if we forfeit liberty for security, we won't have either.
I don't understand why people think that if we brought all our troops home, we would be at risk for more attacks. If we had all of our service men and women here at home defending the homeland, we wouldn't have nothing to fear. We've got the most sophisticated military in the world...if someone wanted to shoot a rocket over, we'd shoot it down in no time.
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Okay, I'll buy your reasoning on the Patriot Act. However, you lost me on the second point. Do you really believe that bringing our military men and women home would cause the Islamo-Fascists to play nice with us? Do you really want to fight these people in the streets of your hometown? Terrorists can sense weakness like a pack of wild dogs, pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan would cause them to believe that we are weak and not willing to stay the course. Remember the aftermath of Vietnam? Our enemies realized that we no longer had the guts to stay the course in any war. Reagan turned all of that around through nailing Khaddafi (sp) in Libya and the commies that wanted to take over Grenada. Appeasement never works, if you don't believe me, read up on Neville Chamberlain.
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RE: Paul Calls $4M Haul 'Remarkable' - 11/7/2007 8:07:30 AM
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=3826332&page=1
He hauls in that huge sum but where is he in the polls? Why doesn't the $ figures correspond to poll numbers?
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RE: Paul Calls $4M Haul 'Remarkable' - 11/7/2007 1:37:11 PM
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=3826332&page=1
He hauls in that huge sum but where is he in the polls? Why doesn't the $ figures correspond to poll numbers?
Just give it time. Plus, polls don't matter, President Bush has said that many times.
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RE: Paul Calls $4M Haul 'Remarkable' - 11/7/2007 5:54:23 PM
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Actually he is doing much better in the polls:
In a CNN National Poll he just got 5% up from 2%, and about a week ago he got 7.4% in New Hampshire only John McCain, Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney did better. I know this is only 2 polls, but it is an indication of an up move.
And with 40% of the GOP now saying "Bring troops home within a year" his support will only grow.
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RE: Paul Calls $4M Haul 'Remarkable' - 11/7/2007 11:09:10 PM
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Actually he is doing much better in the polls:
In a CNN National Poll he just got 5% up from 2%, and about a week ago he got 7.4% in New Hampshire only John McCain, Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney did better. I know this is only 2 polls, but it is an indication of an up move.
And with 40% of the GOP now saying "Bring troops home within a year" his support will only grow.
That's true. Plus we've got take into account of where CNN, FoxNews, and etc., are getting their numbers.
Ron Paul is getting much support from Democrats, some of your traditional conservative Republicans, Libertarians, and many independents. Also, remember, money and politics are like peanut butter and jelly. Money is the key factor in a Presidential race, when you get the money, then you get the name recognition, because then you can afford to get your name out.
There is a chance that Ron Paul probably won't get the nomination, but I think he'll come really close behind Romney and Rudy.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/8/2007 5:51:18 AM
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Paul came in 2nd behind Huckabee in the Palmetto Family Council Straw Poll in SC in September.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/12/2007 9:29:22 PM
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Those are two very good reasons not to vote for him.
How many terrorist attacks did the Patriot Attack prevent? We may never know but it had to be more than just a few.
Something tells me that if certain members of the White house are willing to out covert CIA operatives for political purposes when it comes to the war in Iraq, it makes perfect sense for them to announce a stopped terrorist plot using the Patriot Act with all the fanfare they can think of.
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Would you rather have Saddam Hussein still be in charge of Iraq? What if we didn't take him out and he was able to attack us?
I know! He would start firing that rifle he occaisionally brought to rallies in the direction of the US, because that was all the military power he had! :)
In all seriousness, Hussein's regime was one on the brink of collapse. He couldn't fund a war; he could barely keep his own people in line.
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BTW no republican running for president scares me or makes me nervous, what really makes me nervous is that the American people might believe enough of Hillary's lies to elect her president.
THAT WOULD BE SCARY!!
Honestly, replacing our current executive with any American- short of maybe Pee Wee Herman- would be an improvement on the situation we have now. Whether or not he's a good President, he's lost all credibility with 75% of the electorate and faces a hostile Congress. Ron Paul is one of the few people that everyone in the country can really appreciate.
Why?
He wants the government out of peoples' lives.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/14/2007 10:25:46 AM
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Is the Ron Paul revolution catching on with the MSM?
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Not quite, but there are signs that the mainstream media is starting to cover the Paul campaign for president seriously. NRO is reporting that Zogby thinks he might pull a surprise in New Hampshire.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/16/2007 8:43:41 AM
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Now that the support of neo-Nazis for Dr. Paul has hit the radar screen of the Anti-Defamation League through the support of Mel Gibson's father for Paul, maybe the campaign and Dr. Paul himself will address the issue in a real way since it should now hit the bigtime screens of the MSM.
Read about it here.
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They’re either going to continue with the same “We Don’t Judge Who Climbs Aboard the Love Train” song they’ve been singing thus far, or they’re going to change their tune. My guess is that they'll keep singing the same song. I might be able to look at Paul in a different light if he would actually renounce any support from scum such as Stormfront or that ilk.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/16/2007 11:32:43 AM
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Now that the support of neo-Nazis for Dr. Paul has hit the radar screen of the Anti-Defamation League through the support of Mel Gibson's father for Paul, maybe the campaign and Dr. Paul himself will address the issue in a real way since it should now hit the bigtime screens of the MSM.
Read about it here.
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They’re either going to continue with the same “We Don’t Judge Who Climbs Aboard the Love Train” song they’ve been singing thus far, or they’re going to change their tune. My guess is that they'll keep singing the same song. I might be able to look at Paul in a different light if he would actually renounce any support from scum such as Stormfront or that ilk.
Thanks for the 411..on my blog I have another story on this and...
Now a possibility of JEWS FOR PAUL is a sham group too.
A nutty campaign.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/19/2007 7:09:12 PM
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Now that the support of neo-Nazis for Dr. Paul has hit the radar screen of the Anti-Defamation League through the support of Mel Gibson's father for Paul, maybe the campaign and Dr. Paul himself will address the issue in a real way since it should now hit the bigtime screens of the MSM.
Read about it here.
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They’re either going to continue with the same “We Don’t Judge Who Climbs Aboard the Love Train” song they’ve been singing thus far, or they’re going to change their tune. My guess is that they'll keep singing the same song. I might be able to look at Paul in a different light if he would actually renounce any support from scum such as Stormfront or that ilk.
What is it with you, Ben? Don't you understand that because there may be unsavory folks who happen to like Paul, that this in itself is no reflection of Paul's character?
By the same token, had it been people like Ronald Reagan, George Herbert Walker Bush, or George W. Bush who got neo-nazis' support, would this have made Reagan, Bush I, or Bush II questionable?
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/19/2007 7:12:58 PM
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I had a recent email from Ron Paul that it appears that people from American Thinker are slamming Ron Paul meetup groups with fake neo-nazi posts in support of Paul, making it look bad for Paul. Can't find anything that'll stick, so one has to stoop low. I'll try to find a link.
It's too bad you don't have to go too far to find stuff on the other candidates, with the exception of maybe Huckabee.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/19/2007 7:16:06 PM
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Smearing opponents is nothing new in politics, but that Christians are not cognizant of it is troubling, startling, and frankly, saddening.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/19/2007 7:21:06 PM
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I find it amusing that some people wanted Ron Paul to be excluded from the debates earlier in 2007. I'm not referring to anybody here; it's people who think he didn't even deserve to be heard.
Now his support is growing. I guess integrity and loving the Constitution really do mean something after all.
Too bad certain people on TV think it's OK to use shameless, classless, and inexcusable personal attacks.
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