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RE: Women's "Shelters" really shelters? - 8/18/2007 10:12:06 AM
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Memaw, you said this ......
"The accusation has been made that these womens' shelters are promoting lesbianism, and are basically destroying the family and attempting to emasculate our men."
Yes, this is exactly the issues and it will be proven to you. I think you and most others are very naive as to what happens in these "shelters" and you will be apalled ..... and rightfully so .... as you see what actually occurs.
Then, you need to ask yourself this question, Memaw.
"Will I be willing to change my view if it can be proven that the negatives outweigh the positives in these places?'
Memaw .... will you? 
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RE: Women's "Shelters" really shelters? - 8/18/2007 10:30:01 AM
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Memaw.
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Memaw, you said this ......
"The accusation has been made that these womens' shelters are promoting lesbianism, and are basically destroying the family and attempting to emasculate our men."
Yes, this is exactly the issues and it will be proven to you. I think you and most others are very naive as to what happens in these "shelters" and you will be apalled ..... and rightfully so .... as you see what actually occurs.
Then, you need to ask yourself this question, Memaw.
"Will I be willing to change my view if it can be proven that the negatives outweigh the positives in these places?'
Memaw .... will you?
PD,
I am always open to learn and always willing to listen. And if what you are saying is found to be the exception and not the rule are YOU.. PD, willing to acknowledge that?
PD....will you?
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RE: Women's "Shelters" really shelters? - 8/18/2007 12:00:26 PM
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Memaw, you said this ......
"The accusation has been made that these womens' shelters are promoting lesbianism, and are basically destroying the family and attempting to emasculate our men."
Yes, this is exactly the issues and it will be proven to you. I think you and most others are very naive as to what happens in these "shelters" and you will be apalled ..... and rightfully so .... as you see what actually occurs.
Then, you need to ask yourself this question, Memaw.
"Will I be willing to change my view if it can be proven that the negatives outweigh the positives in these places?'
Memaw .... will you?
PDChaplain: Nothing has been proven by the articles you linked to.
What has been proven - if you will - is your opinion on the shelters themselves. Nothing else about them being man haters, profem, pushing you to lesbianism has been proven.
I do agree it there should be more resources for men in these situations, but the question I have for you is why would want them since the shelters are such EVIL places according to your opinion? I mean they might promote the uglies towards the men also!
You already got your acknowledgment that this happens to men - so why make the problem worse since its very clear you don't care for these places.........why make them available to men also and DOUBLE your problem with them?? You state on the one hand that churches should be doing this, and then state its not fair that men don't have the same type of shelters. Seem like a counterdiction to me.
I'm sorry but it does seem strange to me that you push this for men, and yet the ones for woman are such awful places that people PUSH women into! Aren't the churches stepping up so they don't HAVE to build such sites for men, since you have 'proven' they don't work for women?
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RE: Women's "Shelters" really shelters? - 8/18/2007 1:54:51 PM
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Wow PDChaplain. You've said so much, it's hard to respond to. Obviously there are people in any movement who get carried away. And any movement gains sophistication over time. As a man, I think feminism has been important and has offered some really valid critiques of "the system." Where I come from, it's gotten more sophisticated and less "us versus them." Less focused on gender, more on all kinds of power imbalances and justice. If you found a web page that still frames it all in terms of gender, that's great, but it's not what feminism looks like where I come from. (I.e. social work, Austin, TX.)
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Should not "male abuse shelters" also be made available?
If you want to open up a male shelter, nobody's stopping you.
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Why don't men tell?
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WHY would you put yourself out there KNOWING these things are true in most communities????
1. Your abuse will be invalidated and looked upon with suspicion.
2. If reported to law enforcement, YOU will likely be the one arrested.
3. Your allegation will be ridiculed.
4. There are very limited or NO resources for counseling/rehabilitation.
5. There is an anti-male bias in most secular "shelters".
6. You run a VERY clear risk of losing your children.
7. You may lose your job.
8. You may eventually be financially raped.
9. You face rejection from church, family, and friends.
You focus very narrowly on the underreporting of men. Women also underreport for various reasons, some similar and some different. The following reasons are often relevant for women:
1. Your abuse will be invalidated and looked upon with suspicion.
2. You do not trust anyone to keep you safe.
3. You are not financially independent.
4. You believe you're supposed to submit to the man.
5. The authority figures you know are more likely to themselves be men, such as clergy leaders and police, and may be more likely to align with a man in a "he said, she said" situation.
6. You face rejection from church, family, and friends.
I'd imagine an expert could give you more. I just did these off the top of my head.
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RE: Women's "Shelters" really shelters? - 8/18/2007 2:49:32 PM
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Our city has plenty of male-only shelters, should a man have need of it.
And my husband and I have actually volunteered together at a battered women's shelter. The shelter really encouraged men like my husband. They wanted the women to see what decent men were like. The fact that dH and I volunteered together was even better. The women got to see a loving, healthy marriage in action.
The shelter was not associated with any particular church; all religions were welcomed and respected.
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RE: Women's "Shelters" really shelters? - 8/18/2007 3:00:32 PM
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Well, I posted earlier about this, and after reading everything since then I wanted to say some more.
I see PD's point. This does mean that his opinion is 100% accurate or correct. I think we as humans tend to judge the "whole" based on the "part" where we are. We have serious problems in our shelters here in Augusta, and it appears that PD does where he lives also. Of the nine shelters here, I meet with directors in all of them, and I'm here to tell you, they are all DIVORCED women who very openly teach "man hate." For instance. . .there's a conference coming up that is supposed to be drawing in local churches for support. Here's the itinerary:
Self Defense, Self Suffuciency, How to put your man on the curb (I am NOT kidding, this is the actual title) How to train your son and teach your daughter to be self reliant. . .etc
There is not one single workshop designed at problem solving in families. There is not one single workshop that deals with reconciliation. There isn't ONE that deals with forgiveness.
As a married woman, I once faced the out of control rage from my husband that many battered women see every day. He threw a lead crystal bowl across the room at me. I ducked, it hit the wall, left a hole in the sheetrock and shattered. I picked up my son and walked out the door. MP's came and took him to the brig and the next day I met with the judge advocates office. I pressed charges. What the Marines did then was put him in single housing, and he was ordered to attend daily counseling and anger management courses. After a LOT of work, we are still together. He has never raised a hand to me since, and hardly raises his voice. Because he was whipped? Nope. B/c someone (our chaplain) respected the sanctity of family enough to drag us to a system that worked.
Until we begin to mentor men more effectively, there will ALWAYS be a need for shelters. I'm sorry PD, but I would send a woman to a shelter before I'd send her BACK to an abusive husband. That said, they system is terribly flawed. When women go into shelters, a process needs to be started. Her pastor needs to be contacted, hubby's supervisor needs to be contacted, her family, his family, the police department (yes, again if necessary) and BOTH sides need to be in counseling. I agree with PD that our churches need to step forward and intervene when problems are evident and not simply turn the other way which is what we as Christians EXCELL at. When Christ said to turn the other cheek, He did not mean in this way. There was a Jewish community where I lived once, and I heard about how they deal with a wife beater. They met with the man, several times, and tried to counsel with him. He wasn't hearing it. They contacted his work, his family, and more people got involved. Before it was over with, two men from the temple were arrested, b/c they basically picked him one night, and took him to the woodshed. They didn't beat him about the face. . .nothing like that. They held him, and one man pulled his belt off and delivered something like 20 lashes to the man's rear end.
Personally. . .I applaud them. Unfortunately, the local PD did not. But you know what. . .he never hit her again. He went to jail, they went to jail, and somewhere in the mix, he came to understand he couldn't just hit her. They went through counseling, and they're still together today.
It is time that we as the church and the body of Christ step up. If you have a problem with how the secular world is dealing with "our" problems. . .STEP UP. Start making a change. I speak in churches regularly. . .and at first I was afraid to tell congregations and pastors, "This is YOUR problem. YOU need to be handling it and not allowing the world to dictate how this is handled." STEP UP.
We can certainly criticize PD's opinion. . .but realize that. It is his opinion. It is probably a problem where he lives, even it isn't where you live.
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RE: Women's "Shelters" really shelters? - 8/18/2007 4:03:40 PM
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It amazes me that anyone can come onto a Christian forum and post pro-feminist rhetoric. If we refuse to see the feminist influence in these so-called shelters and the potential destruction to the family unit, we are either in denial or we have our spiritual heads in the sand.
I do appreciate the ones here who have either brought the Christian perspective into these places or they are least open to learning something new and willing to face the myths of the "goodness" of these shelters. 
The suggestion that I start my own men's shelter is both ludicrous and a fine idea. Tell ya what .... give me the resources and monies that the taxpayers fork over to these places and I'll be MORE than happy to start one. Shelters subsist almost entirely on entitlement money. I applaud the churches who see the need and MAKE Christian shelters available to BOTH men and women .... but these efforts are scant and few and far between. The liability insurance alone would break the abuse budget of most churches.
What ALL churches CAN do, however, is make it validating for people .... especially men .... to approach clergy with abuse issues and then make it a point to get BOTH sides of the story ..... make an informed decision .... bathe it in prayer .... and then offer extensive therapies using their present counseling staff. This is by far the preferable approach to the secular shelter, where the male is offered little or no helps and the men accused of abuse are automatically guilty.
Here are some testimonials as to what actually happens in some of these places. 
http://www.fathersforlife.org/fv/women_shelter3.htm
Here are some Canadian examples .......
Battered women's shelters are supposed to be caring, and supportive facilities. But women who seek refuge in them often tell a different story. Those below all requested anonymity. Some fear personal or professional reprisals, others wish to protect their own privacy and that of their children.
Winnipeg
In May 1996, Shirley knocked on the door of a Winnipeg battered women's shelter with her two teenage daughters. The then 34-year-old aboriginal woman says she turned to the facility not because her common-law husband had been violent, but because they'd had a fight, it was late, and she had nowhere else to go. "He didn't beat me up or nothing, we just had an argument," she says. "It was just a time out. I needed a place for my kids to stay and sleep and eat."
Halifax
In fear of her violent ex-husband, Judy stayed in a Halifax shelter six years ago before fleeing the province. She describes it as "an experience from hell. I couldn't wait to get out of there." The workers in the shelter, she says, attempted to browbeat residents whose views differed from theirs. "Many of these women had come from situations where there was inappropriate control of them by somebody else in the household. And what I saw was that they were now being controlled by a feminist ideology. [The message was:] 'You believe what we believe, you do what we say, or get out of here.'"
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RE: Women's "Shelters" really shelters? - 8/18/2007 4:10:47 PM
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PD I tell you what. . .if you're serious about this ludicrous idea of beginning a men's shelter. . .you PM me. Or, if you can't do that, you email me. I will share my resources with you, and might be able to get our supporting church (in Boston) to get involved.
Since January, we've received grants totally nearly 2.5 million dollars. It CAN be done. . .if you need help, you let me know.
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RE: Women's "Shelters" really shelters? - 8/18/2007 4:17:41 PM
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I agree with Matt, PD, if a lot of the men you know are being whooped up on by their wives, get a shelter together for them.
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RE: Women's "Shelters" really shelters? - 8/18/2007 6:09:32 PM
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GraceyGirl, I am very interested in your information about the grants. I am wary, though, if these grants are not from some sort of private foundations but are instead government grants. Federal, state, and local grants come with strings attached and rarely can one use them while adhering to solely Christian principles.
Do you have a link or two I can examine and pray over?
Thanks and God bless!
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RE: Women's "Shelters" really shelters? - 8/18/2007 10:29:33 PM
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All of our grants came from private foundations. . .the only one that was in the public eye at all was the Gates Foundation.
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RE: Women's "Shelters" really shelters? - 8/18/2007 10:57:48 PM
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PD
Your silence on the points I questioned you about tells me enough. Whatever your views are about people who have a so-called "feminist" perspective, just remember, LOVE is to ALWAYS be our motive for all we say and do.
If you are saying all the things you are saying out of love it doesn't come across as such to some of us here.
Labeling people with words such as "feminist" is not something JESUS would do.
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RE: Women's "Shelters" really shelters? - 8/19/2007 10:43:57 AM
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If the man is removed, and the omnipresent restraining orders are effective, why is a woman's shelter needed at all?
First, a comment as to the so-called usefulness of restraining orders (RO). Unfortunately, a lot of law enforcement agencies do not honor an RO. I saw this over and over. My ex called me on the phone and threatened me while I was driving on the freeway (I had a hands-free phone), and when I called the police, all they did was inquire as to what city I had been driving through. Because I did not have the RO on file in *that* particular city, their response was "well, we cannot do anything for you". Then, the kicker was, the city in which I lived REFUSED to even allow me to place my RO on file. Because I had a DV/RO, it was located in a different area of the computer database, and the police refused to look for it. Because it wasn't in the *normal* place of the database, they told me they wouldn't accept it. Even though I had a copy right there in my hands to give them to place on file. To this day I am still speechless about it.
I do agree with many of your comments about the women's shelters. They do have VERY STRICT guidelines for behavior. If you are a working woman who works anything other than *normal* hours, though, you won't be able to stay in a shelter unless you quit your job. You must be there for a lock-down by a certain time in the evening, and that's it. You are not allowed out again until the lock-down is lifted in the morning. I do disagree with a couple comments in that it does provide a shelter for the women and children who truly are terrified of men in general. (This I must say is very unfortunate, I understand being terrified of *that* man, but not of men in general.)
I also believe that it is very had to find people who are committed to helping women in abusive situations. I do believe Christian is best, but there are secular groups that are very good too (the P.E.P. program I went to was secular). This is an extremely difficult issue to deal with. It's emotionally draining. It's spiritually draining. Every situation is different on the surface, and yet a lot of it is the same at the very core. Many women don't understand the basics, or the part they play in the abuse. And before anyone shoots flaming darts, yes, we must also accept our role in the situation. I have been in an abusive relationship myself, and allowed my ex to stomp all over me by not standing up. He was a scary dude. Way bigger than me size wise and more than a foot taller than me. He was very intimidating. But I now realize that there are things I could have done early on that may have prevented some of the abuse I suffered. We all learn from our experiences, and the best thing I can do from my own experience is pray that by speaking out I can help other women. This has been a blessing to my heart. Helping other women see clearly the situation they are in and what they can do to stand up for and protect themselves.
Now, what I did find helpful was something my attorney had referred me to, because she had volunteered there as a law student. I was the only woman there who was not in attendance due to a court order resulting from abuse. I'm not sure how many women are aware that this even exists. I attended a 10-week program at a women's clinic called "P.E.P." (personal empowerment program). It could be called other things in other locations, but that's what it was called where I went. The counselors there went over many many things - ranging from how to determine *red flags* in a relationship (or even how to spot them without engrossing yourself in a relationship), to the cycle of abuse, to things you can do when you are in an abusive relationship to try and protect yourself and your children (which includes having a good support system - too many women who are victims of abuse are alienated from their support system, this is a part of the abuse cycle), to how to get away and what to take (preparation ahead of time is important, getting the important papers such as birth certificates or knowing where they are for quick grabbing as you head out the door) if and when you do need to run.
This class was invaluable to me. I have referred many many women to it. Personally, I believe young women need to be taught many of these things at a young age. I have been teaching my son for years that he is to respect others - not just girls, but boys too, the young and the old - by keeping his hands and feet to himself, be careful of what he says and how he says it - the basics of BOUNDARIES and RESPECT.
I think this is an excellent thread, and it's something that we all need to consider before sending women to these *shelters*. There are pros and there are cons. But, most importantly, there are usually other and better options.
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RE: Women's "Shelters" really shelters? - 8/19/2007 3:53:57 PM
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Buckifn, you said this .....
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Your silence on the points I questioned you about tells me enough. Whatever your views are about people who have a so-called "feminist" perspective, just remember, LOVE is to ALWAYS be our motive for all we say and do.
If you are saying all the things you are saying out of love it doesn't come across as such to some of us here.
Labeling people with words such as "feminist" is not something JESUS would do."
Buckifn, your argument here has many holes in it. The term "feminist" is not a term the Church has put on that movement, it is a term they labeled THEMSELVES. They are proud of it and stand behind it. It is their mantra. It identifies them. They glory in it!
Likewise, the homosexual identifies themselves as "homosexual". Republicans are Republicans. Democrats are Democrats. If a particular people group identify themselves as such and such ..... then that is what they are called.
Also, regarding your assertation that Jesus never put labels on people, please compare your statement with those of the Lord Himself in Matt. 15:7, 14 ...... 16:6, 12 ....... Matt. 23:13-33.
Jesus willingly called the ones bringing hurt and confusion against the people, in His day, certain "labels". I call it calling a spade a spade. You knowing the old saying ..... if it walks like a duck ..... quacks like a duck ...... and if the duck CALLS itself a duck .....
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RE: Women's "Shelters" really shelters? - 8/20/2007 10:17:45 AM
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A reminder ......
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/fam27.htm
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RE: Women's "Shelters" really shelters? - 8/20/2007 11:38:02 AM
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PD,
The link you gave states that the statistics they include were from "three national studies." I notice that the article does not cite bibliographical information for those studies, so there is no way of knowing which studies were used as source material. The other citation gives the name of a study but not the researcher. Do you have that information?
Even the people that posted it on their site had a disclaimer, This document was e-mailed to us, and while we have no idea whether its premise is accurate, we found it thought provoking enough to bring it to you.
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RE: Women's "Shelters" really shelters? - 8/20/2007 4:00:25 PM
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I believe this testimonial to be the norm in these "shelters" and not the exception .....
http://www.wordbridges.net/elderabuse/AAR/Vol2Issue3/antimaledv.html
"Predictably, some of the comments were vitriolic. Many, however, told personal stories of male victims of domestic violence being unable to find assistance, and argued that many domestic violence surveys, studies, and even programs are structured and presented in ways that highlight violence against women while playing down violence against men.
Although DVRCC staff had argued that only 14 men compared to 300 women requested services from them last year, one poster noted that the DVRCC website itself says, "We do not accept males over the age of 14," which, in his opinion, "boldly state(s), do not come here for help, if you are male and over the age of 14." Several pointed out that for many years, domestic violence against women was not taken seriously, just as the DVRCC was now dismissing the scope of violence against men."
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RE: Women's "Shelters" really shelters? - 8/20/2007 4:47:21 PM
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PD, you are clearly on an ongoing "fishing trip." All that doesn't prove any evidence about what is, or is not, the norm.
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RE: Women's "Shelters" really shelters? - 8/20/2007 5:40:38 PM
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Memaw.
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PD,
Just as there were those at the beginning of this thread who gave what you called
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worst case scenarios from women who have been abused
I think what you are finding in your search may be the "worst case scenarios from men".
There really is no way of knowing if this is the exception to the rule or the norm as there is no trustworthy poll we can use.
Every paragraph that anyone posts on this is going to be slanted, every person has their own experience of what happens at these shelters and what may occurs in NYC (or any large city) shelters probably doesn't happen here in Smallsville, Kansas (or any other small town).
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RE: Women's "Shelters" really shelters? - 8/20/2007 5:54:50 PM
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PD,
The link you gave states that the statistics they include were from "three national studies." I notice that the article does not cite bibliographical information for those studies, so there is no way of knowing which studies were used as source material. The other citation gives the name of a study but not the researcher. Do you have that information?
Even the people that posted it on their site had a disclaimer, This document was e-mailed to us, and while we have no idea whether its premise is accurate, we found it thought provoking enough to bring it to you.
stateofgrace,
The Notation at the end of the article PD linked to sites this for a source:
"This file has been excerpted and edited by the 'Lectric Law Library from Sam and Bunny Sewell's FAMILY VIOLENCE, A Report From: Family Resources & Research, 2000 edition.
The complete document, including its footnotes, scientific research citations, and much more is available at: http://www.naplesfl.net/~bestself/Family-Violence.htm
Its authors can be e-mailed at: bestself@mediaone.net"
The link where you can double check the accuracy of their so called report is dead, and mediaone was bought by AT&T and then by Comcast ages ago-so not sure how you get in touch with these "authors" either..
On the other hand-for stats from a slightly more trustworthy source-(say..like The Dept. of Justice instead of "Sam and Bunny")-you can see this report here:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/fvs03.pdf
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RE: Women's "Shelters" really shelters? - 8/20/2007 6:03:26 PM
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"Sam and Bunny"
Now that's funny! 
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RE: Women's "Shelters" really shelters? - 8/20/2007 8:20:02 PM
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Memaw.
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The generation of women who came before me have worked hard to bring domestic violence out of the closet, where often I think the church would prefer it stay. If men need services that aren't being offered, then perhaps it's time for men to do the foot work that women have done over the last few decades to help fill in the gap in necessary care.
Worth repeating.
And I will give it two thumbs up!
PS. Why do we think the church would prefer it to stay in the closet?
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RE: Women's "Shelters" really shelters? - 8/20/2007 8:30:52 PM
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rcjames
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I certainly cannot speak to all women's shelters, but the ones that my Church currently support (financially, folks from the Church volunteering, and me ministering and counselling there) have exhibited none of the "Horror stories" that some have posted.
We support 2 in Oklahima city, and one in another Central Oklahoma town, and I feel they offer a great service to folks that have the need for them.
I have never encountered the "Man hater/pro lesbian" attitude that PD and others speak of, just hurt confused folks getting help form other folks concerned about their plight.
I am sure that there are some problems at some locations as the U.S. is a very large place, but these and those I have helped with in the past in Texas do a great service.
Thanks
RC
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