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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 11/13/2007 2:02:16 PM
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stampinlady
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My professor was angry at my film and he asked me to re-do it centered around a secular topic. I refused and so he gave me a "C-" and wrote some nasty comments on my project. We all have to stand up to what we believe in even if it means persecution.
If you followed the rules why did he give you a C-? My sister went back to school a few years ago and she told us that in some if her classes the profs would go off on personal tangents. I'd be a little miffed about paying for a class and getting personal opinions and rants instead of facts. I'm gonna start, Lord willing, in Jan. and I just don't knwo what to expect.
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 11/14/2007 4:06:56 PM
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I never finished an ethics class because on my paper, I was graded way down for holding onto my Christian beliefs about abortion, etc. He had told us at the beginning of the class that he was a Christian, so I thought "cool, he'll understand what I write". Well, he most certainly did NOT and wrote something about being highly disappointed in me - that he thought I was much more open minded than I wrote about, etc. I dropped the class at that point - and in reality, it's the only class keeping me from having an AA degree. That's fine - I already have my BS and am working on my masters.
So, be warned, even if they say they're Christian, they may have completely different views than what you have, and be prepared to be persecuted for what you believe.
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 11/15/2007 11:20:37 AM
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I've been blessed this time around to be attending a Christian school. It's expected that projects and answers will have a Christian theme, and the professors really care about you.
Monday my two youngest daughters (10 and 15 years) are out of school and my oldest daughter who usually cares for them when I'm gone will be out of town--so they are going to school with me. All but one professor (who hasn't responded) has been delighted that I am bringing them. We'll see what this does to their concept of college!
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 11/16/2007 9:35:46 AM
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stampinlady
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I never finished an ethics class because on my paper, I was graded way down for holding onto my Christian beliefs about abortion, etc. He had told us at the beginning of the class that he was a Christian, so I thought "cool, he'll understand what I write". Well, he most certainly did NOT and wrote something about being highly disappointed in me - that he thought I was much more open minded than I wrote about, etc. I dropped the class at that point - and in reality, it's the only class keeping me from having an AA degree. That's fine - I already have my BS and am working on my masters.
So, be warned, even if they say they're Christian, they may have completely different views than what you have, and be prepared to be persecuted for what you believe.
See I don't get this. If you did what you were suppose to do shouldn;t you be judged for your work and not by personal opinion? I would report something like this to the admin. .
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 11/16/2007 9:39:26 AM
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I never finished an ethics class because on my paper, I was graded way down for holding onto my Christian beliefs about abortion, etc. He had told us at the beginning of the class that he was a Christian, so I thought "cool, he'll understand what I write". Well, he most certainly did NOT and wrote something about being highly disappointed in me - that he thought I was much more open minded than I wrote about, etc. I dropped the class at that point - and in reality, it's the only class keeping me from having an AA degree. That's fine - I already have my BS and am working on my masters.
So, be warned, even if they say they're Christian, they may have completely different views than what you have, and be prepared to be persecuted for what you believe.
See I don't get this. If you did what you were suppose to do shouldn;t you be judged for your work and not by personal opinion? I would report something like this to the admin. .
Yes, I SHOULD have been graded by my work and not personal opinion. In this case, I was not.
He's the chair of the department - I would have had to take it to the provost, and at that point, I was highly involved with other activities at the school - it would not have been prudent to do so in my situation, unfortunately. Trust me, I wanted to and spoke to other instructors who were appalled that it had happened.
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 11/17/2007 10:32:35 AM
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Just to give a different experience... I have taken philosophy, ethics, logic, sociology, etc. courses with very secular professors and not once have I had to compromise my beliefs. Sometimes I had to discuss or explain theories that I don't agree wtih, but I never had any pressure to accept any of it as truth.
In fact, IME, the three secular colleges/universities were much less critical of personal beliefs than the professors at the private Christian college I attended. I *did* have my personal beliefs attacked there a couple of times.
I often, in a variety of courses, did projects around positions that my professors didn't accept, but I found that as long as the guidelines of the assignment were followed and I supported my views properly, my beliefs did not affect my grades.
Not saying it doesn't happen, I just don't want everyone to feel like being attacked is an inevitable element of college life, because it is not necessarily the case.
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 11/18/2007 9:38:40 AM
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HI all
I just turned 40 last month but I have been back in school for a few years now. Frankly I am sooo over it. At the beginning of the year I stopped going but then went back because I felt guilty about giving up. When I stopped it felt sooo good. No more pressure no worries of failure. I felt total peace and relief. It was like the best thing I could have ever done. Of course I did end up going back because I didn't want to feel like a failure. Now I'm miserable. I hate the school I'm in and the classes I am forced to take. As an older person I realize half the nonsense they want you to take is all about making money and NOT preparing the student for thier actual major and being older and stubborn I just can't let it go how much I resent having to waste my money on nonsense.
I can't motivate my self to study so right now I 'm not doing so great. It just seems like its taking me FOREVER to finish. I work the overnight shift and go to school during the day. It seems like I have no time to do things I would like to do because my schedule basically consist of get up at 8:30 p.m. to get ready for work at 11:00 ( takes 1 1/2 to get to work) get off at 7:00 a. m. go straight to school and get home btwn. 12:00 and 1:00 in the afternoon. Eat, shower and then off to bed if I want to get a decent amount of hours sleep so I don't fall asleep at work( I usually don't make it to bed until 3 sometimes 5. The only day of the week I don't have to go to work or school is Friday which I usually end up sleeping away. So I end up craming for exams instead of studying on a regular basis. Sometimes its because I just don't have time others because I just can't bring myself to do it because I feel like if I don't have some time to do something I want I'm going to scream!
It took me a long time to get my AS degree because math and I don't get along. Now I am working on my BS and I just have too much pressure on me to always get the great grade. The plan is/was to go to PA school but that's not going to happen if I can't keep my bio grades up. I know its not that the material is too difficult because I really do love it and do understand it. I just can't seem to get it together. Maybe I'm just having a want to do what I want tantrum or maybe I'm just really tired especially of working AND going to school or maybe I have a failure complex. All my life everyone who has crossed my path has made me feel like I couldn't do anything but be a housewife because I wasn't smart enough. ( funny 40 never been married and still no prospects in sight so so much for that theory LOL) I guess apart of me bought into it because chemistry and math just really ripped me to shreds. I haven't really been the same since then. Those courses made me feel so stupid. Now I fear taking exams. I don't know maybe its a combination of all these things.
I just keep telling myself you have to get it together but all I can think about is if I don't do well I won't get into PA school. Then there is the ever present concern of WHERE the money and time for that is going to come from. The PA program is basically four years of med school scrunched into two. I can't work and go to school at the same time for that. So I guess another issue is why am I wasting my time getting my BS and going any further if I won't be able to actually attend PA school even if I manage to get in. How will I pay my bills if I don't work. Recently I found a school where I can go partime to PA school at night or one day on a saturday but its a private university and the tuition is so much more than I can afford. I sat down yesterday and tried to figure out what else I wanted to do and Biology is the only thing I have a real interest in. When I have the time to really study I get A's but right now I'm an average student. C average and thats not going to cut it for PA school especially a private school. Of course another option would be to just get a MS and consider working in a lab in research. I would really rather be a PA since I would like to at some point down the road create a practice for low income families without insurance and the homeless.
Right now the only thing I know I want to do is drop out but then I would become what everyone has always called me. A failure. I've got alot to get over and work through if I want to get back on track but I have no idea where to start.
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 12/13/2007 9:12:29 AM
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If you followed the rules why did he give you a C-? My sister went back to school a few years ago and she told us that in some if her classes the profs would go off on personal tangents. I'd be a little miffed about paying for a class and getting personal opinions and rants instead of facts. I'm gonna start, Lord willing, in Jan. and I just don't knwo what to expect.
Hi StampinLady,
My Film Studies Professor asked us to make a documentary film on a mainstream topic. He recommended (Global Warming, Endangered Species, Stem Cell Research, etc. etc.). I chose to do my film on "Missions, Evangelism & the Gospel" which he did not recommend. But I decided to do it anyways so thats why he gave me a "C-"
I think my Professor had a personal vendetta on against me anyways. Because he showed us a movie in class that contained bisexuality which he claimed to be normal behaivor. So during our discussion section, I argued that bisexuality was totally against my faith and belief. He wasn't pleased with my comments and thats when our relationship soured.
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 12/13/2007 8:43:38 PM
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Katie-Scarlet;
I'm sorry things seem so un-motivating to you just at the moment. It's got to be hard: I know that for me it has been. But I'm just wondering if perhaps you need to spend some time asking God what He is really asking you to do?
When I find that I am totally unmotivated in an area, and have been for some time, and also that doing it seems to be trying to make a Rubix Cube come out right and it's just not working, then I've learned God is trying to get my attention. He either wants me to wait to make any decisions (likely because I don't have as much information as I think I do), wants to give me a NEW direction (if I would only stop and listen), or wants me to rest from trying to figure it all out (especially when I'm trying to figure out way into the future, like, what am I going to do with this stupid degree when I get it and will it support me and pay off my school debts and....) and just take one step at a time.
Is it possible that one of these is what God is saying to you right now? Is it possible you don't have all the information yet, and need to give Him time to show you His plan? Or perhaps He's planning to show you a new direction entirely...not a failure but really His plan all along? Maybe you're just trying to deal with the future too much just now: it IS the end of the semester, and everyone is pretty burned out. Things may look different in a couple of weeks...
Just hope this brings some encouragement to you!
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 12/15/2007 9:41:00 AM
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My Film Studies Professor asked us to make a documentary film on a mainstream topic. He recommended (Global Warming, Endangered Species, Stem Cell Research, etc. etc.). I chose to do my film on "Missions, Evangelism & the Gospel" which he did not recommend. But I decided to do it anyways so thats why he gave me a "C-"
I think my Professor had a personal vendetta on against me anyways. Because he showed us a movie in class that contained bisexuality which he claimed to be normal behaivor. So during our discussion section, I argued that bisexuality was totally against my faith and belief. He wasn't pleased with my comments and thats when our relationship soured.
Without seeing the film or reading the guidelines for the project... IMO, it sounds like you didn't really follow the directions... From the title, it sounds like it would have turned out more to be a propaganda type film- not a documentary... nothing wrong with that, but understand that when you break the rules you aren't going to get an A.
I saw this a lot in our speech & writing classes. If you write an essay or give a speech that is a fabulous persuasive piece, but you are assigned a narrative, the grade is going to be poor... But people would do that kind of thing all the time, and then complain about their grade.
As far as the discussion... in a film studies class, debating the moral content of a film isn't appropriate and he shouldn't have made comments saying it is natural, nor should you have made comments about your beliefs about it, IMO.
If you really felt your assignment fit with the requirements but was graded unfairly due to opinion of the topic only, then you should have taken it to the head of the department or the dean.
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 12/15/2007 10:47:03 AM
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Hi Tara,
Your absolutely right. The purpose of my film was for propaganda. Because he had to show each of our films to the entire class. And I wanted everyone to see it. There was about 15 of us. And I already knew the guy did not like me nor my beliefs. So what have I got to lose.
Besides, my major was Political Science. I was only taking Film Studies to fulfill my General Education requirement. I ended up getting a "C+" in the class which is amazing because I thought he was going to fail me. I think it was only because of my perfect attendance and class participation.
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 1/14/2008 10:08:25 AM
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I took my placement tests on Friday!!!!!!!!! I was so ready to go, ptl. I did fine in English, but I have to take some extra math classes, yikes! I knew I was doomed when the math section started with Geometry! I may start with two classes the end of Jan. . Yikes!!!!!
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 1/15/2008 12:13:45 PM
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Hello, everyone. Just found this thread and took the time to read all the posts.
I'm going back after 20 years to finish my English degree. The small, private college where I work allows employees to attend at a discounted rate. We are allowed to take one class per semester, if our supervisor allows. My supervisor is very supportive of my going back to school. This semester I'm taking my third class. It will take me about 6 years to complete my degree, but I am excited about the whole possiblity.
I've been asked by my kids and some other folks what I am going to do with my degree. I don't really know. I only know that I promised myself I would finish college, and I will. I'll worry about the rest later.
I know there are other older students in classes around campus, but I have yet to share a class with one. It's scary but exciting. Definitely have to learn some new vocabulary. 
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 1/15/2008 1:21:59 PM
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It will take me about 6 years to complete my degree, but I am excited about the whole possiblity
Good for you! I'm exceited to, but a little afraid. I struggle with fear and God is slowly healing me. I was so proud when I walked out of that testing center. I did it! It's going to take me some time to complete my degree, but it's a start. Blessings and Godspeed!
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 1/16/2008 10:23:32 AM
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stampinlady, I think the thing that carries me through is my excitement over the fact that I'm doing it, finally. Last semester was very hard - the reading and the papers - but I just kept thinking that I was finally getting that degree.
Three years ago, this would not have been possible. Even though I was working here, the timing wasn't right. I've made plans to go back to school a couple of times, but it never seemed to work out. Now the time is right, and things are possible that wouldn't have been earlier. I did take a class several years ago, but was unable to complete it due to some family issues at the time.
Katie-Scarlet, I'll be praying for you. It seems you're really struggling right now. It may be that you need to take a break from school to see where God is leading you next (or what surprise He has ahead for you).
I hope everyone is having a good semester. Today is my first quiz.
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 1/26/2008 4:14:07 PM
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I am New to this sight and visiting all it has to offer, but this one peaked my interest because I am returning to college after 12 years to earn my second Bachelor this one is in religious studies major in pastorial, slightly nervise because I am trying to follow God's plan and I feel that I am but I am nervise (?spelling). My first degree was what I wanted a Bachelor in Accounting. I feel that this is what he is calling me to do. So far every step I make has been supported buy my family and doors are opening almost to easily.
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 1/28/2008 10:54:46 AM
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kcot, It can be scary when doors open easily. That has happened to me before, but I've learned just to leave it in God's hands. I know that is often easier said than done. I pray that things go well for you. Are you going back full time or part time?
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 2/3/2008 11:19:44 PM
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I enrolling fulltime, I do leave it in God's hands. What seems so funny is I used to be afraid to speak, but know I feel a sense of calm in his presence, and things are coming more clearer everyday.
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 2/13/2008 11:13:29 AM
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I'm glad this thread is still continuing and that we are able to share. I am in my second semester of grad school and have mixed feelings. I've been working like a dog - I have some things to do today that I really don't want to do - but that I'm going to do ...
The first semester went well. It was only the Lord. I was so stressed out trying to just understand what I was reading, working as a graduate teaching assistant (grading papers mostly) and working as a research assistant and working on a film. I was so tired by the end of the semester, but I was able to accomplish all of it and get all As in the process (4 classes). Again, it was truly only the Lord that I could make it through because I was so tired and burned out. My teachers really had mercy on me as well.
This semester I'm only taking three classes. But the research part is really whipping me because of all that I have to do connected to it. It is supposed to take 20 hours a week but is taking much longer. I have decided that I really don't like the research aspect very much and I pretty much feel like I'm in over my head. But thank God -- two more weeks and I'll be done! I've got to rewrite sections of a report, schedule two more people for testing, perform the tests, do a presentation - all while helping to plan a conference and organize volunteers - some of whom are long distance. I've kind of been neglecting my own reason for being here and spent the entire day yesterday focused on my own goals. I felt like I wasted so much time - but I feel much more clear about my direction. I like my classes a lot and let's just say, after this - "no" is about to become my favorite word!
As stressful as this has been though - I see definite changes in myself, which is good. I used to ramble a lot (you can't tell from this post) and I've learned how to speak more concisely and with more authority about different topics. I can understand what I read better and have more confidence. Mostly though I'm just really thankful to the Lord. I have to lean on Him for everything. Like right now, I have people to call and I'm dreading doing it. But I'm going to pray and call them - just leaning on the Lord for all things.
I have to go. I just want to encourage all of you - it was good to read through at least some of the threads. You've been an encouragement to me! Keep hanging in there!
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RE: Older (Returning) Student Support Thread - 2/13/2008 11:17:20 AM
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Katie-Scarlet,
Are you still there? I just wanted to say that I really admire you for hanging in there. I don't know if you've decided to take another break or not - but I just wanted to encourage you today - there is a place for your gifts, whether it is PA or something else - I'm just praying that you'll find some answers soon!
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RE: Grad Student Support Thread - 3/4/2008 10:52:09 AM
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Hi StampinLady -
Don't beat yourself up. The fact that you registered is an accomplishment in itself. People withdraw from classes all of the time. When you have completed your program (and with Christ you will finish) this day - as painful as it is right now - will become a footnote and part of your testimony.
So, my question to you is why did you withdraw? Were you afraid that maybe you couldn't do the work or keep up? (I can relate to that!) If so, have you ever thought of maybe auditing the class? It wouldn't "count" towards your degree, but it would probably help you to acclimate to going back to school, you wouldn't have to worry about the pressure of grades, and it could help you to get your feet wet again and get your confidence back ... If you can't do it this semester, maybe you can try over the summer? Or even in the fall? Just a thought ...
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