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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/23/2007 10:23:08 PM
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MichaelDavis
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Yeah, when I read that about perfect pitch I wondered if he was referring to pitch recognition ("perfect pitch") or saying that he sings on pitch perfectly all the time. If he truly has "perfect pitch", that is cool and a great thing to know...if not, then I will have to say that no singer sings perfectly on pitch all the time.
BTW, "Christian's Dad" before you get defensive you should read back and see that I complimented Christian's singing ability in my postings. I did say that I have heard him go for notes he didn't hit and be pitchy at times...all singers have this problem at some point - I have heard veteran bass singers and tenor singers go for notes they didn't hit. BTW - I don't think highly of myself...I am a bass singer myself and Christian probably consistently has a just as good (or better) low range and control than I do...my singing ability was not the topic of discussion here, though.
"Christian's Dad".........busted.....I guess I should not have used my real name (must have been a dead giveaway). Sure I used my real name because I feel when you post on a public forum you should be accountable for what you say and not hide under a cloud of anonymity (i.e. GAyoungbass).
Please do not twist my words. I clearly stated Christian has perfect pitch and did not say he sings on pitch everytime. You correctly said no one does.
As for your singing ability not being the topic of discussion, you made it so by repeatedly comparing your "consistent" abilities to other professional vocalists. I guess I will just have to take your word for how good you are since you continue to remain anonymous.
That is all I have to say on this subject. Gayoungbass, should you wish to continue this discussion I will be more than happy to do so via PM.
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/23/2007 10:58:54 PM
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Daniel and I were discussing something a couple of pages back and I would like to clarify some things:
First, head voice and falsetto are two completely different vocal mechanisms. Head voice is the top full voice register in both the male and female voices. Falsetto is called such because it is a false voice. The vocal folds, or thyro-arytenoid muscles, don't close completely and excess air is allowed to escape. Many tenors use this technique and, like basses using vocal fry, the quality of that sound can be almost undetectable with a lot of practice.
Second, vocal fry is quite similar to falsetto. It doesn't mean the person isn't producing the tone, just that it's not really chest voice. One can argue all day that it is, but if you really listen you can hear the shift to vocal fry. As was stated by someone earlier, a lot of quality practice can make the fry register very pleasing to the ear.
Third, I really have no desire to enter into any discussion over what I've stated here. I'm not the supreme authority on the subject. However, I do have a Masters in vocal music performance, have taught at a State University and have studied vocal pedagogy for a good while. Pedagogy is the science of teaching. It exists in every discipline of education.
Fourth, I only mentioned the things in the "third" category to hopefully lend some sense of credence to what I've said. I don't shoot from the hip with an uninformed opinion. I've spent nearly a decade of my life studying the voice at the university level and being classically trained as a singer. I've studied the great masters of classical singing and many schools of thought on voice training, so please understand that I do possess a certain degree of expertise on the subject at hand.
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/24/2007 5:35:08 AM
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BBT---WOW-- all that stuff makes my head hurt--I am not sure I have even got all them parts----Drip
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/24/2007 11:26:51 AM
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I have a question on this thing called 'vocal fry' and falsetto.
I know that a bass can 'not' have a falsetto or any note at which he goes from natural or chest to throat. I don't,,,,but before you think I am bragging,,,I'm not,,,,I'm older,skinny,ugly and you wouldn't think much,,,okkkkkk? So I'm not bragging!  ( geesh,,,have to belittle meself!!!!)
But can't a tenor do the same thing? I believe,and I don't know how to explain it,that a person can eliminate/remove the point at which falsetto begins and it's not that its not detected but that it doesn't exist.
Am I crazy for believing this or just older,skinny,ugly,etc.? 
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/24/2007 11:51:57 AM
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If you are good enough, the falsetto is nearly undetectable... Brian Free is an example... he does an incredible job of it. Michael Enlish was another guy that was VERY good at going into his falsetto voice, and was barely undetectable... too bad he's ruined himself :( , but that's another story.
To me Tim Riley sounds like he's using chest voice all the time.
If he isn't?? Then he's perfected his ability, because I can't tell when he does it.
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/24/2007 12:24:40 PM
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Brian Free uses falsetto? I heard at least one singer say that Brian does not. Either way, he is definitely the most polished "converter" between the two voices I have ever heard - if he does.
Arthur Rice even switches and he's a lead, but he does it with excellent vocal technique so it doesn't stand out like a sore thumb.
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/24/2007 12:32:15 PM
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I have been about 25 ft. away from Brian Free when he was singing what may have been some of his highest notes and could detect no falsetto but those super high notes are not his 'quality range' in my opinion.
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/24/2007 11:52:21 PM
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I have been about 25 ft. away from Brian Free when he was singing what may have been some of his highest notes and could detect no falsetto but those super high notes are not his 'quality range' in my opinion.
What you're hearing is a technique that even classical singers use sometimes. It's a form of reinforced falsetto. It's not really full voice, but a mixture of chest and falsetto and it is supported like crazy. This is what I use for anything above Bb. I can sing higher than that full voice, but it's taxing, so I opt not to.
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/24/2007 11:57:46 PM
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bigboytenor
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I have a question on this thing called 'vocal fry' and falsetto.
I know that a bass can 'not' have a falsetto or any note at which he goes from natural or chest to throat. I don't,,,,but before you think I am bragging,,,I'm not,,,,I'm older,skinny,ugly and you wouldn't think much,,,okkkkkk? So I'm not bragging! ( geesh,,,have to belittle meself!!!!)
But can't a tenor do the same thing? I believe,and I don't know how to explain it,that a person can eliminate/remove the point at which falsetto begins and it's not that its not detected but that it doesn't exist.
Am I crazy for believing this or just older,skinny,ugly,etc.?
Sorry to take so long, I just got back online.
I know of one tenor who appears to have little to no break in moving into his head voice then falsetto. He sings with Masters Voice from Bristow, OK. Even Steve Hurst didn't know what to make of it when he heard him sing. It apparently is possible, but very very rare. Typically the vocal mechanisms used by tenors are chest voice, middle voice, head voice and falsetto. Combinations of these are often blended to acquire the desired timbre and presence in the voice.
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/30/2007 10:28:36 PM
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To answer the original question.
The lowest singer is Tim Storms, 2nd Lowest is Dan Britton, 3rd is JD Sumner or maybe Mike Holcomb(not really sure who is lower of these two)
I have heard Tim Storms sing down to double low C or C1 without the use of fry. I have heard him sing down to an A0 with what sounds like vocal fry to me in the Amazing grace video. Also in that video he sings a solid F1 without any sort of fry. Technically Tim's lowest note is a B-2 or 13 keys off the bottom of the piano.
Not sure how low Dan Britton can sing but he is the one who took the Guiness record away from JD Sumner so it has to be low.
I have heard JD and Mike Holcomb sing down to a C1, it sounded as if they were nearing the bottom of their range(could be wrong though) as they were both heavily relying on vocal fry to hit the note.
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/31/2007 12:15:54 AM
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Not sure how low Dan Britton can sing but he is the one who took the Guiness record away from JD Sumner so it has to be low.
Not real sure He took it away. I believe J.D. could have went even lower. However, J.D. did not think anything lower was musical and I agree.
It would have turned into a growling contest and I think J.D. could out growl anyone LOL.
Just my opinion
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/31/2007 4:15:26 PM
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I doubt he could have growled down to a b-2 though
Also I saw today that Dan Britton sang 8 keys below the piano for some show which would be g-1 right? Do you happen to know what J.D's lowest note was?
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 10/31/2007 4:17:21 PM
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My dad heard him sing down below the piano, but probably not very far.
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 11/5/2007 6:43:14 PM
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I was thinking about this last night, when I saw the Dove Brothers.
When they finished Get Away Jordan, David did what seemed like a 4 octave Gliss....out the bottom, and into the basement!!!!
It was AWESOME.
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 11/5/2007 6:59:31 PM
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Here's my opinion: Take it for what you want, it's just my opinion.
None of the three mentioned above as #1, #2 & #3 are fantastic singers. Tim Storms, Dan Britton, and JD all have/had a great bottom to their ranges, but I don't think any of them are outstanding singers. I'm talking about solo voices. Argue all day and that's your opinion. This is mine.
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 11/5/2007 8:14:18 PM
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Daniel and I were discussing something a couple of pages back and I would like to clarify some things:
First, head voice and falsetto are two completely different vocal mechanisms. Head voice is the top full voice register in both the male and female voices. Falsetto is called such because it is a false voice. The vocal folds, or thyro-arytenoid muscles, don't close completely and excess air is allowed to escape. Many tenors use this technique and, like basses using vocal fry, the quality of that sound can be almost undetectable with a lot of practice.
Second, vocal fry is quite similar to falsetto. It doesn't mean the person isn't producing the tone, just that it's not really chest voice. One can argue all day that it is, but if you really listen you can hear the shift to vocal fry. As was stated by someone earlier, a lot of quality practice can make the fry register very pleasing to the ear.
I agree 100%. I believe bigboytenor is right on.
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 11/6/2007 6:48:53 AM
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I like a bass that can also carry a verse like, David Hester, Jeff Chapman, Tim Riley and Ed ONeal.
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 11/6/2007 1:47:27 PM
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I agree, as well...when it comes to "singing" low notes and carrying a lead line...Tim Riley is probably one of the best, even though he is not my favorite on solos....he can straight hit the low notes and they all sound full voice to me!
BTW - If ya'll will refer back up to the youtube link I pasted below...there is a clip on there of Tim Storms singing a C1(double-low C) and he is definitely using a growl tone or vocal fry...whatever you want to call it. I don't think there is anyone recorded that can sing that low in full register.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzafJqw0xHw
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 11/6/2007 1:49:30 PM
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Daniel, I agree with you and bigboytenor. Even though he is not living and a current bass singer George Younce was one of the greatest with a great range and one of the smoothest bass voices. And oh by the way he had the awards to prove it.
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 11/9/2007 2:45:16 PM
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Did ya'll know that JD could also sing Tenor. As a matter of fact, he lead the singinging in the early years of The Quartet Convention.
David
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 11/9/2007 3:08:30 PM
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Did ya'll know that JD could also sing Tenor. As a matter of fact, he lead the singinging in the early years of The Quartet Convention.
David
Yes; he also hit a high harmony note (G above middle C, I think) on the Blackwood Brothers' live 1959 live rendition of "What a Morning."
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RE: Lowest down current bass singer - 11/9/2007 3:11:31 PM
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Did ya'll know that JD could also sing Tenor. As a matter of fact, he lead the singinging in the early years of The Quartet Convention.
David
That doesn't surprise me. Jeremy Peace can sing bass, too.
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A close second would be Tim Riley.
