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rcjames -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (9/28/2008 9:46:36 AM)

A question;

Is there a bigger percentage of whites or a bigger percentage of blacks that would be considered racist?

Thanks
RC



stellaluna -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (9/28/2008 9:53:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: humbleinspirit

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ORIGINAL: stellaluna

Just wanted to quickly point out that there are many skinheads who aren't racist.


And I have heard of Christian ones too.

I know a few. [;)]



stellaluna -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (9/28/2008 9:55:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rcjames

A question;

Is there a bigger percentage of whites or a bigger percentage of blacks that would be considered racist?

Thanks
RC

How could one tell that?



rgod -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (9/28/2008 2:47:20 PM)

Stellaluna and Humbleinspirit - True. I was thinking that when I was typing my response to AdrianaS - but it didn't come out of my fingers!!! Yes, there are plenty of skinheads that aren't racist. When I was in high school years ago, I remember knowing skinheads who weren't.

rcjames - I'm not sure how to address your question. Is this question in response to something else - like perhaps there was a conversation where a person said that one group was more racist than the other? (Just curious about the origin of the question it would help me to know better how to answer.) Like Stellaluna, I guess I'd have to ask about the measurement of racism. Are you aware of perhaps a series of studies that point conclusively to evidence that shows that one group is more racist than another? Are you asking about the US only? In the US, we sort of know what "white" and "black" means - although many who are biracial consider themselves one or the other - and some simply consider themselves biracial - then some who technically are hispanic identify primarily with being black - others see themselves as white - still others see themselves as latino. Once we leave the US, the lines get fuzzier. Take South Africa for instance. Many people who are considered black in the US, are considered colored there.

My hunch is though, that since racism is not contingent upon skin color - and because it is more of a spiritual problem than a physical one - is that the percentage would probably be the same across races and ethnic groups.



humbleinspirit -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (9/28/2008 2:52:01 PM)

Its not just a black and white issue either. I am aware of both white and black who are prejudice against Vietnamese people also.



rgod -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (9/28/2008 3:07:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: humbleinspirit
Its not just a black and white issue either. I am aware of both white and black who are prejudice against Vietnamese people also.


Excellent point humbleinspirit. I've definitely heard people - who are not aware of my background - say things about foreign people and immigrants in particular. I've seen people treat some of my family members different because they speak with accents. (I came to the US when I was really little so my accent is more standard American than anything else.) I've heard minorities talk badly about other minorities. I've heard white people say things about other races of people than black. I've heard black people say things about other races of people than white.

Racism cuts across all color and ethnic lines. But the bottom line is that all of it is sin.



tracydolls -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (9/28/2008 3:25:32 PM)

quote:

A question;

Is there a bigger percentage of whites or a bigger percentage of blacks that would be considered racist?

Thanks
RC


there are 35 million blacks in this country if only 20% of whites were racist, it would outnumber all blacks period.



rgod -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (9/28/2008 3:28:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tracydolls

quote:

A question;

Is there a bigger percentage of whites or a bigger percentage of blacks that would be considered racist?

Thanks
RC


there are 35 million blacks in this country if only 20% of whites were racist, it would outnumber all blacks period.


Hi tracydolls - I think he was asking about percentages and not numbers. My guess is, if he were talking about sheer numbers - given that the percentages would be equal across races - the biggest numbers would be had by chinese - since there are more of that ethnic group than any other in the world.



tracydolls -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (9/28/2008 3:57:21 PM)

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Hi tracydolls - I think he was asking about percentages and not numbers. My guess is, if he were talking about sheer numbers - given that the percentages would be equal across races - the biggest numbers would be had by chinese - since there are more of that ethnic group than any other in the world.



The chinese outnumber blacks in this world?

ok.[8|]



AdrianaS -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (9/28/2008 4:11:00 PM)

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In Brazil - are there lots of other hate groups other than skinheads? How do people react to these groups? Do people march against racism and hate groups or do they kind of just accept it? What about the church - do they preach against racism and hate groups? Also, what is the situation like for Jews in Brazil? Is there a lot of discrimination against them (aside from the skinheads) or can they live relatively peacefully there? Sorry to ask so many questions - I'm just really interested.


Cool Rgod,

I will share what I know and than will check for material in English for you, ok?

Well, you have to start by the knowledge that Brasil is very diverse, there are regions in Brasil who carry not only the wealthier centers but the whiter population because immigration (southeast and south) you will find the most part of Italians, Germans, Polish, Japanese. Brasil wealth class is the minority and the one who controls much of Brasil etc. Basilian President comes from northeast, his looks is what many skinheads that are neo-nazist and talk about the northeasterner (even the "shapes of head" as inferior race mix) those racist skinheads are the ones who called themselves neonazist, white supremacists, have the same agenda as others skinhead in the world and they receive all kind of literature and communicate with others around the world. They come from middle class and upper, those may be armed.

The second group of skinheads are called "Carecas"/Balds, those are the ones who carry in themselves all colors, religions, they call the neonazists barbarics and hurting their causes and etc they hate mostly the homosexuals, and the sytem in place. They come from humble classes, they pride in working out and many martial arts, may use weapons

There is a third group of nationalist skinheads, those do not drink or use drugs. Still have issues mostly with homosexual and the system.They come from humble classes. Women are not allowed into their groups, they have the macho men style, work out and martial arts and prefer body contact fighting not weapons.

What those all have in commom is the violence and fighting with one another and scare tactics anyone around etc


What the Brasilian people think? They are ridiculous but some cities and state governements are seeing growing issue and comming up with solutions and engage communities around and etc because of violence. Its an youth issue as most of skinhead are young males and Brasilian youth population is large. They are not many compared with majority but sure violent and can be barbaric. And the youth that are Punk, or other tendencies of the youth are all a target of the skinheads as to make chaos where young people hang up as in parks, public place and etc

About the Jewish in Brasil about the rise of skinheads neonazist there was a tv documentary where Jewish community persons who were at holocaust were giving their positions, but when some come up with the ignorant position that Holocaust did not happen at some say around what can you say? And let not forget that we do have lots of Libanese and Syrians as immigrants in Brasil also.

The church in Brasil for sure are evangelizing and is present in many communities and even during traffic wars is not rare for people to call pastors to deal with life and death issues as the drug people is torturing to kill someone (some bandit will or may listen to a pastor, no much the police) And many of those skinhead say they have no religion and even carry t-shirts "I hate Christ". Many speak just nonsense no one with brains buys any of that.




I will look for material in English and bring to you when I find, ok?



rgod -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (9/28/2008 4:13:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tracydolls

quote:

Hi tracydolls - I think he was asking about percentages and not numbers. My guess is, if he were talking about sheer numbers - given that the percentages would be equal across races - the biggest numbers would be had by chinese - since there are more of that ethnic group than any other in the world.



The chinese outnumber blacks in this world?

ok.[8|]


Hi Tracydolls!

A little less than 20 percent of the people alive today are Chinese (Han Chinese to be exact). Blacks (defined as people of sub-saharan african descent) make up a little more than 14 percent.

But, actually, your response got me thinking, and I was thinking more about ethnicity and you (and rcjames) were talking about race. So, if we use the US classification of races - then asian would be more appropriate. If so, then yes, I think there are more asians than blacks, since asian would include people from India, and Indonesia - that accounts for somewhere between 2.5 to 3 Billion people in the world - depending on whether you include Pakistani's and people from Bangladesh in those numbers.

But I guess my original response to him is that if he is asking about percentages and not numbers, then I think that racism is probably present in percentages across all races and ethnic groups since racism is a spiritual issue, not an issue of how much melanin you have in your skin (or lack thereof).

By the way, I've been reading a lot of your responses in different threads in this folder. Your responses often make me think through things from different angles and I appreciate that. I also admire your tenacity.



rgod -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (9/28/2008 4:47:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AdrianaS

quote:

In Brazil - are there lots of other hate groups other than skinheads? How do people react to these groups? Do people march against racism and hate groups or do they kind of just accept it? What about the church - do they preach against racism and hate groups? Also, what is the situation like for Jews in Brazil? Is there a lot of discrimination against them (aside from the skinheads) or can they live relatively peacefully there? Sorry to ask so many questions - I'm just really interested.


Cool Rgod,

I will share what I know and than will check for material in English for you, ok?

Well, you have to start by the knowledge that Brasil is very diverse, there are regions in Brasil who carry not only the wealthier centers but the whiter population because immigration (southeast and south) you will find the most part of Italians, Germans, Polish, Japanese. Brasil wealth class is the minority and the one who controls much of Brasil etc. Basilian President comes from northeast, his looks is what many skinheads that are neo-nazist and talk about the northeasterner (even the "shapes of head" as inferior race mix) those racist skinheads are the ones who called themselves neonazist, white supremacists, have the same agenda as others skinhead in the world and they receive all kind of literature and communicate with others around the world. They come from middle class and upper, those may be armed.

The second group of skinheads are called "Carecas"/Balds, those are the ones who carry in themselves all colors, religions, they call the neonazists barbarics and hurting their causes and etc they hate mostly the homosexuals, and the sytem in place. They come from humble classes, they pride in working out and many martial arts, may use weapons

There is a third group of nationalist skinheads, those do not drink or use drugs. Still have issues mostly with homosexual and the system.They come from humble classes. Women are not allowed into their groups, they have the macho men style, work out and martial arts and prefer body contact fighting not weapons.

What those all have in commom is the violence and fighting with one another and scare tactics anyone around etc


What the Brasilian people think? They are ridiculous but some cities and state governements are seeing growing issue and comming up with solutions and engage communities around and etc because of violence. Its an youth issue as most of skinhead are young males and Brasilian youth population is large. They are not many compared with majority but sure violent and can be barbaric. And the youth that are Punk, or other tendencies of the youth are all a target of the skinheads as to make chaos where young people hang up as in parks, public place and etc

About the Jewish in Brasil about the rise of skinheads neonazist there was a tv documentary where Jewish community persons who were at holocaust were giving their positions, but when some come up with the ignorant position that Holocaust did not happen at some say around what can you say? And let not forget that we do have lots of Libanese and Syrians as immigrants in Brasil also.

The church in Brasil for sure are evangelizing and is present in many communities and even during traffic wars is not rare for people to call pastors to deal with life and death issues as the drug people is torturing to kill someone (some bandit will or may listen to a pastor, no much the police) And many of those skinhead say they have no religion and even carry t-shirts "I hate Christ". Many speak just nonsense no one with brains buys any of that.




I will look for material in English and bring to you when I find, ok?


AdrianaS - thank you. So much to think about and digest. This helps me to understand a little bit more about what is happening there. I'm going to look forward to reading the english material when you get it. Thanks again!



AdrianaS -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (9/28/2008 5:21:22 PM)

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AdrianaS - thank you. So much to think about and digest. This helps me to understand a little bit more about what is happening there. I'm going to look forward to reading the english material when you get it. Thanks again!



You are welcome!

Against racism

Brazil

Extremist groups

Uni study in Brasil skinheads ideologies unforunatly in Portuguese but will contact them if they have in English.

It seems that is a commom ground between those extremists groups in Brasil is that they are mostly anti-semit and homosexuals.

As The US state Gov site mentioned: "Numerous anti-Semitic websites continued to operate. Police contacts leading São Paulo's law enforcement efforts against hate crimes and anti-Semitic acts reported that the number of skinhead, neo-Nazi, and anti-Semitic websites or community network sites was increasing annually. Police identified a growing number of links to Internet servers based in the United States, Argentina, Italy, and Germany."

When I find more I will post.[;)]



rgod -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (9/28/2008 5:32:08 PM)

Thanks!!!! This should keep me busy for a while ... [:D][:D][:D]



rcjames -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (9/28/2008 8:20:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rgod
My hunch is though, that since racism is not contingent upon skin color - and because it is more of a spiritual problem than a physical one - is that the percentage would probably be the same across races and ethnic groups.


You are probably correct.

Although I have read on the forum before that only white folks can be racist; I totally disagree with that assumption.

It is sad that there is any racism, but such is the way of the world.

Thanks
RC



rgod -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (9/28/2008 10:35:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rcjames

quote:

ORIGINAL: rgod
My hunch is though, that since racism is not contingent upon skin color - and because it is more of a spiritual problem than a physical one - is that the percentage would probably be the same across races and ethnic groups.


You are probably correct.

Although I have read on the forum before that only white folks can be racist; I totally disagree with that assumption.

It is sad that there is any racism, but such is the way of the world.

Thanks
RC


Yes, we are in agreement here. I've heard that too - I think that it is because a lot of people are thinking more about institutionalized racism which has often been defined as prejudice + power (so a white manager who discriminates against hispanics - where a white janitor who has no influence hiring influence on another worker might not be). And because white people in this society often are in more powerful roles because of the social hierarchy, there are some that will then say that only white people are racist. While I understand the thought process - given that definition of racism - I disagree. Even if you accept the definition of racism that includes power - power is defined differently in different contexts.

My prayer is that our collective goal as Christians is to love one another as brothers and sisters in Christ and to stand up for justice whenever and wherever we can. Part of standing up for justice is standing against racism. (Of course, we need to stand against other things as well - that is only one part).



tracydolls -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (9/28/2008 11:59:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tracydolls

quote:

Hi tracydolls - I think he was asking about percentages and not numbers. My guess is, if he were talking about sheer numbers - given that the percentages would be equal across races - the biggest numbers would be had by chinese - since there are more of that ethnic group than any other in the world.


The chinese outnumber blacks in this world?

ok.


Hi Tracydolls!

A little less than 20 percent of the people alive today are Chinese (Han Chinese to be exact). Blacks (defined as people of sub-saharan african descent) make up a little more than 14 percent.

But, actually, your response got me thinking, and I was thinking more about ethnicity and you (and rcjames) were talking about race. So, if we use the US classification of races - then asian would be more appropriate. If so, then yes, I think there are more asians than blacks, since asian would include people from India, and Indonesia - that accounts for somewhere between 2.5 to 3 Billion people in the world - depending on whether you include Pakistani's and people from Bangladesh in those numbers.

But I guess my original response to him is that if he is asking about percentages and not numbers, then I think that racism is probably present in percentages across all races and ethnic groups since racism is a spiritual issue, not an issue of how much melanin you have in your skin (or lack thereof).

By the way, I've been reading a lot of your responses in different threads in this folder. Your responses often make me think through things from different angles and I appreciate that. I also admire your tenacity.



First I don't accept that the only blacks come from Subsara Africa. (the bones around Stone Henge in England tested Subsarah African)

I have edited this..

I believe they also come from Egypt. Were certainly the Egypt mentioned over 600 times in the Bible.


I also don't accept that the People from India are asian.

Indo-European, North African Caucausion, no such beasts to me. Europeans came up with the naming of people, places and languages.

I also have a hard time with people Christians that defend their position first (especially the Eurocentric side of it)and then talk about what God would do, or how Christians should act.

Do I know that racism is evil, yes, up close and personal.

Yes, I'm "looking" for reconcilation. Yes, but it is not found here in the racial thread on Christianity.com

We don't have honesty.

I can type that the people from Africa did evil. And lots of it and continue to do it.

The Bible tells me so.

Alot of people can agree with that.

but then when I say because most of the people in the Bible were Black.

Well then I'm crazy..... not Christian......bitter.....yada, yada.

Jesus was not black.

Black is one drop in america, and 1000 drops in Egypt are not.

I can see with my eyes who is black. WE all are. Whites are black people with a "mutant"gene or lack of melanin.


He says He will lead the Egyptian and the Ethiopian out in slavery.


Isa 20:4 So shall the king of Assyria lead away the Egyptians prisoners, and the Ethiopians captives, young and old, naked and barefoot, even with their buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt.

Well here we are.

The African Diaspora.

And God tells us what happens to us.

All of us.


I completely understand , your a child of the Lord or not.

Not black or white.



rgod -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (9/29/2008 10:08:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tracydolls

First I don't accept that the only blacks come from Subsara Africa. (the bones around Stone Henge in England tested Subsarah African)

I have edited this..

I believe they also come from Egypt. Were certainly the Egypt mentioned over 600 times in the Bible.


I also don't accept that the People from India are asian.

Indo-European, North African Caucausion, no such beasts to me. Europeans came up with the naming of people, places and languages.

I also have a hard time with people Christians that defend their position first (especially the Eurocentric side of it)and then talk about what God would do, or how Christians should act.

Do I know that racism is evil, yes, up close and personal.

Yes, I'm "looking" for reconcilation. Yes, but it is not found here in the racial thread on Christianity.com

We don't have honesty.

I can type that the people from Africa did evil. And lots of it and continue to do it.

The Bible tells me so.

Alot of people can agree with that.

but then when I say because most of the people in the Bible were Black.

Well then I'm crazy..... not Christian......bitter.....yada, yada.

Jesus was not black.

Black is one drop in america, and 1000 drops in Egypt are not.

I can see with my eyes who is black. WE all are. Whites are black people with a "mutant"gene or lack of melanin.


He says He will lead the Egyptian and the Ethiopian out in slavery.


Isa 20:4 So shall the king of Assyria lead away the Egyptians prisoners, and the Ethiopians captives, young and old, naked and barefoot, even with their buttocks uncovered, to the shame of Egypt.

Well here we are.

The African Diaspora.

And God tells us what happens to us.

All of us.

I completely understand , your a child of the Lord or not.

Not black or white.


Hi Tracydolls,

First - I hope that you don't think that I'm trying to attack you in any way. I know that you've been attacked a lot (the things that I've read that have been said to you have often shocked me and are sometimes against TOS). I just wanted you to know that I'm not trying to do anything like that to you. I like that you think independently and I like that you are willing to challenge people. I just wanted to say that up front so that you would understand the spirit behind what I'm saying.

I think race is kind of a difficult thing to talk about across cultures because it is defined so differently. If we go back far enough - everyone has a black ancestor (remember all of the talk about mitochondrial eve a few years back?) However, since the question addressed race - and most specifically - percentages - I needed to use a definition for discussion - so I used the one that is used in the US for census purposes - which are those of Sub-saharan african descent (black) and those from Asia and the subcontinent of India (asian). If we go with another definition, such as the "one drop rule" then yes, we will come up with different numbers. I think the problem with definitions is that people don't fit into boxes that can be neatly checked off on some form. There are no "racially pure" people. People intermingle, marry, have children across racial lines all of the time. When I visited Africa not long ago - and returned to the US, I was amazed at how "mixed" all of the black people looked. To me, I saw Kenyans, Ethiopians, Nigerians, South African "Colored" people - all lumped into one category. I felt the same way after a trip to Europe many years ago. I remembered turning on the TV and watching CNN from the US. Everyone looked so mixed - no one looked German or English or Spanish. The couple of times that I went to Asia, I returned thinking the same things. I don't think though, that white people are a mutation; I think that God made the different shades of skin exactly as he wanted to for his purposes. We've assigned meaning and value to something that God didn't. It is like saying - I hate this flower because it is red, but I like this other one - which is clearly superior - because it is maroon.

You spoke about the colors of the people in the bible. Well, obviously most of the people in the bible weren't white because of the region of the world that it was set in as well as the migratory patterns of people. Remember the Time cover a few years back that showed what Jesus probably looked like? It was a picture of a darker skinned man with curly/kinky hair. While I found the image to be quite powerful because I think it is more accurate than the one we are used to seeing and may cause some to be more open to Christ (particularly those who think that christianity is a "white" religion); I think we have to be careful to not miss the main point - that Jesus came to save us all. He loves us all. We are like those red and maroon flowers to him - he sees flowers - he sees people.

The way of the world is to divide. But in the word, it says that in Christ there is no "greek or jew." Jesus calls us to be unified and to love one another. This is why it is so powerful for us as Christians to be able to love one another - and why we must combat racism within the church (and stand up for what is right outside of the church) in prayer and in action as well. Not only does it please God greatly - but it is a witness to the world. They will know that we are Christians by our love for one another. Sadly, if a non-Christian visits these boards - very often they won't see that - but instead they will see division particularly along racial and political lines. But there are quite a few instances where people do get along with one another. And that is powerful indeed.

Will there be reconciliation here in this thread? Well, only time will tell. Maybe the Lord will use some of the discussions here to change some hearts if a person struggles in this area. So, we pray for one another, we try to respond in love - which can be very difficult. And we have to stay with the faith - the bible says that we are to be no respector of persons.

I have maintained and will always maintain, that racism is a spiritual issue. It is one of those tactics used by the evil one to destroy unity in the body. This is so clear. And unity is very important to God. So, how do we counter-attack? The belt of truth, the shield of faith, and with love. In love, we ask questions to clarify - that way we won't quickly stereotype anyone. With truth, we apply the scripture to what they said and we examine it together. With faith, we lift up the name of Jesus in all things.

rgod



AdrianaS -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (9/29/2008 2:39:02 PM)

Tracy & Jhud..

If you come by , tell more about Minnesota please! I like the Vikings culture also..[sm=vikingsmile.gif]

Those last post was cool!

[;)]



Zhi -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (9/29/2008 2:53:35 PM)

I'm replying here to the thread that just got closed and booted over here in the elections forums, in case this confuses anyone. http://forums.crosswalk.com/Will_the_election_of_Obama_stop_racism_in_America%25%25%25/m_3848873/mpage_2/tm.htm#3850311 specifically. We were discussing whether or not Obama being elected would stop racism (and tracy's assertion that it would actually increase racism), and for some reason, my own personal ethnicity.
quote:

ORIGINAL: tracydolls
Zhi,

Can I look up your hertiage first. I think we should clear up the confusion first.

I do geneology.

I can send you an invite to my ancestry.com geneology page.

Confusion about what? I've told you about my ancestry in other threads. I'm not sure why my ancestry would be an issue, unless you want to claim that I'm racist just because of some portion of my mutt-ness, and with ancestry ranging from native american to german/polish fleeing WWI, I'm quite the mutt. What are you planning to do? Blame a part of my heritage for something? Isn't that a little, I dunno, racist?

What I am has to do with me here and now. If it didn't, I'd be arrested due to the fact that one of my distant-past ancestors was a pirate. *shrug*

Yes, hate crimes have risen, but that tends to be driven by economic factors as much as anything, so it's not surprising. Very sad, but not surprising.

The largest rise is apparently against Hispanics, though, not Blacks. Anti-Latino hate crimes have risen by nearly 35% since 2003. Unless you want to say that Obama is also half latino, that wouldn't seem to have anything whatsoever to do with him running for President. The number of hate crimes against whites also increased by 7%.

Out of 7,330 offenders identified, 58.6% were white, 20.6% were black, and 12.9% were unspecified. This is interesting when you consider that 66% of the country is white, and 13.4% of the country is black. In other words, on an individual basis, a black person is more likely to commit a hate crime than a white person. It boggles the brain a little.

If you want to help stop racism, you should probably start by being a little more positive in your expectations. Telling everyone that blacks are going to riot and kill us all if Obama loses, and that hate crimes will drastically increase if Obama wins, is not really helpful in the slightest on that.



rcjames -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (9/29/2008 3:50:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rgod
where a white janitor who has no influence hiring influence on another worker might not be). And because white people in this society often are in more powerful roles because of the social hierarchy, there are some that will then say that only white people are racist. While I understand the thought process - given that definition of racism - I disagree. Even if you accept the definition of racism that includes power - power is defined differently in different contexts.


I don't know rgod, it seems you have bought in wholesale to the "Whitey in control" and the black who hates whitey is justified nonsense .

Hatred of another race base on their color is racism. No matter who is the "Hater" and who is the "Hatee"

And until all folks come to this understanding of the truth. and that it encompasses all races; then racism will rum rampant.

Thanks
RC



tracydolls -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (9/29/2008 4:04:33 PM)

quote:

I'm replying here to the thread that just got closed and booted over here in the elections forums, in case this confuses anyone. http://forums.crosswalk.com/Will_the_election_of_Obama_stop_racism_in_America%25%25%25/m_3848873/mpage_2/tm.htm#3850311 specifically. We were discussing whether or not Obama being elected would stop racism (and tracy's assertion that it would actually increase racism), and for some reason, my own personal ethnicity.
quote:

ORIGINAL: tracydolls
Zhi,

Can I look up your hertiage first. I think we should clear up the confusion first.

I do geneology.

I can send you an invite to my ancestry.com geneology page.
Confusion about what? I've told you about my ancestry in other threads. I'm not sure why my ancestry would be an issue, unless you want to claim that I'm racist just because of some portion of my mutt-ness, and with ancestry ranging from native american to german/polish fleeing WWI, I'm quite the mutt. What are you planning to do? Blame a part of my heritage for something? Isn't that a little, I dunno, racist?

What I am has to do with me here and now. If it didn't, I'd be arrested due to the fact that one of my distant-past ancestors was a pirate. *shrug*

Yes, hate crimes have risen, but that tends to be driven by economic factors as much as anything, so it's not surprising. Very sad, but not surprising.

The largest rise is apparently against Hispanics, though, not Blacks. Anti-Latino hate crimes have risen by nearly 35% since 2003. Unless you want to say that Obama is also half latino, that wouldn't seem to have anything whatsoever to do with him running for President. The number of hate crimes against whites also increased by 7%.

Out of 7,330 offenders identified, 58.6% were white, 20.6% were black, and 12.9% were unspecified. This is interesting when you consider that 66% of the country is white, and 13.4% of the country is black. In other words, on an individual basis, a black person is more likely to commit a hate crime than a white person. It boggles the brain a little.

If you want to help stop racism, you should probably start by being a little more positive in your expectations. Telling everyone that blacks are going to riot and kill us all if Obama loses, and that hate crimes will drastically increase if Obama wins, is not really helpful in the slightest on that



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Zhi -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (9/29/2008 4:32:34 PM)

Which is precisely why my heritage shouldn't matter. *shrug*

If we want to get rid of racism, we need to stop even considering what people can or should do if their skin color does or does not "get their way", and we need to stop fussing about what one skin color might have done to another skin color before any of us were even born. Get on with the challenges we all face today and face them cooperatively. Skin color only matters as long as people decide to insist that it does.



rgod -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (9/29/2008 10:30:37 PM)

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where a white janitor who has no influence hiring influence on another worker might not be). And because white people in this society often are in more powerful roles because of the social hierarchy, there are some that will then say that only white people are racist. While I understand the thought process - given that definition of racism - I disagree. Even if you accept the definition of racism that includes power - power is defined differently in different contexts.


I don't know rgod, it seems you have bought in wholesale to the "Whitey in control" and the black who hates whitey is justified nonsense .

Hatred of another race base on their color is racism. No matter who is the "Hater" and who is the "Hatee"

And until all folks come to this understanding of the truth. and that it encompasses all races; then racism will rum rampant.

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RC


Hi RC - No, I didn't buy into it actually (Nor do I use or even think of someone as "whitey." Actually I personally find that term rather offensive.). I think you misunderstood what I wrote. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

What I simply said is that the reason why some people might say that racism is only a "white" problem is because they are pointing to institutionalized racism - which tends to be upheld by whoever has power in a given culture or situation at a particular time. This is precisely why I used two white people in the example - to show that with that type of logic, only one would be considered to be racist. But, if we were in Turkey for example, there might be institutionalized racism against the Gypsies for example. Or in the Sudan it might be another group. In India - perhaps it would be untouchables. Although I'm not sure then if it would be called "racism" - but it would be something that could be enforced by whomever tends to hold the most powerful positions in that country.

However, I also think that in different contexts - even within the USA, different people have power. So for example, a Black or Chinese teacher might be racist towards Hispanic kids and because she holds the power of the grade, she could be racist.

If you read my post (including what you quoted) you'll see that I said that while I understand the logic behind that thought - if you define racism in that way, I didn't agree with it. I'll quote that piece so that you can see what I'm talking about:

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While I understand the thought process - given that definition of racism - I disagree.


Like you, I think that racism is the hatred for another person based on race - period. I personally don't feel that power is part of the definition - although power is sometimes intricately involved. I simply said that I understood the thought process. I never said that I agreed with it.



3cappuccinosmom -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (10/16/2008 7:21:21 AM)

Re Murtha and Western PA.

I live in Pittsburgh. We actually, believe it or not, have a pretty diverse population. Lots and lots and lots of Obama supporters here of all colors and classes. Driving around a McCain sign is a rare sight. You can't get away from Obama signs. Oh, and the biggest country radio station in town is playing Obama ads and seems rather partial to him. So even the rednecks way out in the country can't escape him. [8D] Being a university town, we also get all sorts of lovely insanely-liberal stuff going on. Just makes my heart sing. [8|]

I have also lived in rural areas around here as well. Certainly there are some racist idiots, but it's definately not deep South. And there are lots of working-class democrats, not to mention lots of young people, who will go for him.



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