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TomTurn -> RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread (4/18/2008 10:06:11 PM)
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Why are compararing cold, hard, facts unreasonable??? Answer the question!!!
What question? you made the statement "Also which country has been involved in more foreign wars, Mexico or the United States?" and I find it unworthy of the discussion. I could ask how many hundreds of thousands of citizens Mexico has lost in battle compared to the U.S. in defending other nations but it has nothing to do with the conversation.
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Or since you are blind to facts that don't support your claims, I'll answer it for you. The last entanglement the Mexican army had across its borders was with the USA during the Mexican-American war that ended in 1848. 160 years without a foreign entanglement!
Have you taken that ride with the border patrol yet? I did when I lived in So Cal.
The border was routinely crossed by the militaries of both countries. Mexican and Confederate troops often clashed during the American civil war
In March 1916 Pancho Villa led a raid on the U.S. border town of Columbus, New Mexico, which was followed by the Pershing expedition.
Do I think the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo was a raw deal for Mexcio? Yes. Does Mexico as a majority think it was a raw deal? Seems that way. Is the U.S. going to ever sell the land back? Do not see that happening. Could a point be reached where Mexico decides it is time to make a type of "Mexican Palestine" claim, maybe attempt to take it to a world court decision. I can see that happening and I think the flag design and it flying with the first claims will happen in the next 5 years.
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Show me the facts!!! I'm sure that you were able to get your hands on some of this gov't sponsored propaganda to back up your claims during your time "living" there
A Zogby’s poll found that 58 percent of Mexicans agree with the statement, “The territory of the United States’ Southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico.”
Zogby International Am not a member anymore so can only link you to an article on Zogby, not the actual poll which read 58 percent agree, 28 percent disagree, and 14 percent were unsure
Employer was Grupo Nair, do I have to supply proof of employment too?
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I guess that's a tin foil hat's version of "extensive study". Your debate pouch is kind of empty on your claims. So if a picture of a bunch of protesters hoisting a Mexican flag over a PO and empty claims is all you got, I'm done debating with you.
Was unaware I was to post every book I had ever read.
Am not debating you
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No, "we" insinuated that you held an anti-Mexican sentiment, and you do. This demonstrates nationalism, and possibly even xenophobia, but not racism.
"Because their is underlying racism behind your race war fantasy." To which I had to point out that neither Mexicans nor hispanics share any physical commonality that can be attributed to one race.
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I am not opposed to there being a Mexico
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You condemn, not condone Mexico with comments like these:
"Lots of great people and a great land but rotten government that will eventually push people to believe things are so bad becasue they do not have teh States I have listed."
Fear-mongering, akin to saying "They want to invade to take our women and our children and our land." Alien invaders from a land far beneath us: sounds a whole lot like the Cold War hysteria of the '50s all over again. Remember how the commies were going to take over America? Remember how much egg we had on our face 40 years later when we found out that the Russian arms race was just a bluff? Oh yeah-- and far from "burying" the U.S., the Soviet Union quietly fell into dissolution.
"And if anyone thinks the bad element in Mexico and Central/South America will not join hands with the bad islamic element, I would ask them to think again."
Here you insinuate that Mexicans, "the bad element," are in cahoots with terrorists. This is one of those bogus arguments that I so often hear for "closing the borders" to Mexico. Islamic terrorists will sneak across, with Mexico's blessing, to raise havoc in the U.S. (as if they really need to sneak in the back door) disguised as Mexicans because, well, . . . dare I say it?:
Brown-skinned people all look alike to us.
"Mexico has never been an ally with the U.S."
The insinuation being: therefore, Mexicans cannot be trusted.
But you are not against Mexico?
Mexico has a corrupt government, just a fact.
I believe the possibility is there for the "bad element" (criminal element) in Mexico to join with "radical islamics"
Earlier when accused of racist ideas, as was mentioned above I had to point out to that Mexicans are not all brown skinned. I would think that a person accusing me of racism would know such.
If I were "against Mexico" I would not have lived there or desire to see it continue or desire to see it improve or invest my money in it.
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Am not opposed to there being Mexican people
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. . . Not as long as they stay on their side of border, correct?
From an earlier post of mine "I am all for legal crossings whether to be a citizen or day worker. But the border must be honored.". I know it is difficult to read everything when you are blinded by bias, so no worries.
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so how am I anti-Mexican?
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For starters, you virtually hurl the word "immigrant" as a curse word.
Here is a word search result of each time I used the word "immigrant"
"The poster said every immigrant. I pulled the name of one immigrant."
"Immigrant - NOUN: A person who leaves one country to settle permanently in another."
"My ancestors immigrated to the U.S. and were immigrants, that is true but I did not, I am not an immigrant."
"baby born in the U.S. who's parents are here illegally. That baby is not an immigrant, that is the law." [they are citizens by law]
Oh my gosh! look at that cursing (-:
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Second, you compare them to terrorists.
Do you really want to go down this road after what you just read above? Sure, let's go
A word search result of each time I used the word terrorist shows. Well it shows I never used it.
But without doing a word search I do recall saying three or four times of the possibilty of the bad element in Mexico (they have bad guys just like us) joining with the bad element of islam (they have bad people too)
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Third, your words reflect an attitude that we over-generously deign to let them set foot in the Southwest United States when, in fact, they were here before us
I did say there is a border today and that it must be honored. And I did admit to California, New Mexico, Arizona and Texas (my home) once belonging to Mexico. So not sure what you are driving at.
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You ever notice that no one is worried about the US-Canada border?
Many people worried about it. Should get more press
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It's twice as long and less controlled than our southern border and, as the guy that tried to slip through to go after the Space Needle in Seattle showed us, the terrorists know this too!
Should kind of make us more deligent on all borders.
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We sure have come a long way from Sheriff Joe and the N word.
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