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You'd be surprised just how many do!

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Let's take a small minority and just stereotype shall we! Most of those that think this way are AMERICAN by birth as well. Born in CA, AZ, NM & TX.

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That was the same garbage people were spewing in the 1970's with the Chicano movement. Almost 40 years later it's still not closer to reality.

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BTW, there are many "white power" movements in America like the KKK and the Aryan nation that don't represent the views of most white people too! Just like these extremist groups don't represent your average hispanic immigrant views

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

5 years to the formation of a strong claim, with a representative flag of a "mexican palestine", that is my prediction based on study and observation. Hope to be proved wrong.

But to your mention of the 70's, since you brought it up, would you post a comparison to the 70's and today to the number of illegals in the U.S, tax burden, demand for bi-lingual eduction, demand for representation though illegally in the country, growth of pro mexican reconquista movement and all other factors. Has it grown, reduced or stayed the same?

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Will agree to some point but as one who used to live in Mexico I will have to dsiagree also. Statement is too broad.

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Some of the posts here remind of THIS...

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Why do you keep posting the flag that some idiots did indeed fly?

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What I am trying to say is that there is a middle ground to what I know you believe (because I do agree with much of what you're saying).

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Did you have a chance to watch the YouTube clip I shared on the first page?

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

There is no middle ground when it comes to our border and our soverignty. Either the border is there or it is not. I am all for legal crossings whether to be a citizen or day worker. But the border must be honored. Mexico on a whole does not honor it. It is a grudge that has festered since the 1840's and I see it coming to a head.

Once again, 5 years, new flag as a representaion of a claimed "Mexican Palestine". If you find it hard to believe how can anyone at the same time believe that once the correct percentage is reached muslims will demand sharia, etc.? We have seen that to be the true case.

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The extremist Chicano movement has actually lost steam. People are more into pride of their heritage than into a seccessionist movement. I am not saying that the crazies don't exist I'm just saying that they are being marginalized more. But the crazies are what get the news coverage giving the rest of the nation a false picture.

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What part do you disagree with?

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I'd love to hear of your experiences living in Mexico.

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BTW, are the results of your "extensive study" published? Or does "study" mean "from my personal experience and reading the news."

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General John J. Pershing in his zealous pursuit of Pancho Villa breached the Mexican border in 1916-1917. This being after the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo in 1848 establishing the present borders between the two countries.

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The Mexican Army has never breached the border since 1848

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Also which country has been involved in more foreign wars, Mexico or the United States?

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn
Take a ride with the border patrol and you might rethink that.

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the anti-Mexican sentiment here is as high as TomTurn's.

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

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Also which country has been involved in more foreign wars, Mexico or the United States?

Earlier you were almost to the point of being reasonable, now it is gone

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Well over 50% of Mexican citizens believe that California, Texas, New Mexcio and Arizona rightfully belongs to Mexico. It is taught as a fact in school in Mexico.

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BTW, are the results of your "extensive study" published? Or does "study" mean "from my personal experience and reading the news."

Traveled a good bit years ago and read many things. Just not as eloquent as most.

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn
"We tried to pin racist on him"

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I am not opposed to there being a Mexico

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Am not opposed to there being Mexican people

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so how am I anti-Mexican?

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ORIGINAL: 1dblthnk02

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn
"We tried to pin racist on him"

No, "we" insinuated that you held an anti-Mexican sentiment, and you do. This demonstrates nationalism, and possibly even xenophobia, but not racism.

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I am not opposed to there being a Mexico

You condemn, not condone Mexico with comments like these:

"Lots of great people and a great land but rotten government that will eventually push people to believe things are so bad becasue they do not have teh States I have listed."
Fear-mongering, akin to saying "They want to invade to take our women and our children and our land." Alien invaders from a land far beneath us: sounds a whole lot like the Cold War hysteria of the '50s all over again. Remember how the commies were going to take over America? Remember how much egg we had on our face 40 years later when we found out that the Russian arms race was just a bluff? Oh yeah-- and far from "burying" the U.S., the Soviet Union quietly fell into dissolution.

"And if anyone thinks the bad element in Mexico and Central/South America will not join hands with the bad islamic element, I would ask them to think again."
Here you insinuate that Mexicans, "the bad element," are in cahoots with terrorists. This is one of those bogus arguments that I so often hear for "closing the borders" to Mexico. Islamic terrorists will sneak across, with Mexico's blessing, to raise havoc in the U.S. (as if they really need to sneak in the back door) disguised as Mexicans because, well, . . . dare I say it?:
Brown-skinned people all look alike to us.

"Mexico has never been an ally with the U.S."
The insinuation being: therefore, Mexicans cannot be trusted.

But you are not against Mexico?

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Am not opposed to there being Mexican people

. . . Not as long as they stay on their side of border, correct?

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so how am I anti-Mexican?

For starters, you virtually hurl the word "immigrant" as a curse word. Second, you compare them to terrorists. Third, your words reflect an attitude that we over-generously deign to let them set foot in the Southwest United States when, in fact, they were here before us.

I agree with you about one thing: this is kind of like Palestine.

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Why are compararing cold, hard, facts unreasonable??? Answer the question!!!

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Or since you are blind to facts that don't support your claims, I'll answer it for you. The last entanglement the Mexican army had across its borders was with the USA during the Mexican-American war that ended in 1848. 160 years without a foreign entanglement!

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Show me the facts!!! I'm sure that you were able to get your hands on some of this gov't sponsored propaganda to back up your claims during your time "living" there

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I guess that's a tin foil hat's version of "extensive study". Your debate pouch is kind of empty on your claims. So if a picture of a bunch of protesters hoisting a Mexican flag over a PO and empty claims is all you got, I'm done debating with you.

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No, "we" insinuated that you held an anti-Mexican sentiment, and you do. This demonstrates nationalism, and possibly even xenophobia, but not racism.

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I am not opposed to there being a Mexico

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You condemn, not condone Mexico with comments like these:

"Lots of great people and a great land but rotten government that will eventually push people to believe things are so bad becasue they do not have teh States I have listed."
Fear-mongering, akin to saying "They want to invade to take our women and our children and our land." Alien invaders from a land far beneath us: sounds a whole lot like the Cold War hysteria of the '50s all over again. Remember how the commies were going to take over America? Remember how much egg we had on our face 40 years later when we found out that the Russian arms race was just a bluff? Oh yeah-- and far from "burying" the U.S., the Soviet Union quietly fell into dissolution.

"And if anyone thinks the bad element in Mexico and Central/South America will not join hands with the bad islamic element, I would ask them to think again."
Here you insinuate that Mexicans, "the bad element," are in cahoots with terrorists. This is one of those bogus arguments that I so often hear for "closing the borders" to Mexico. Islamic terrorists will sneak across, with Mexico's blessing, to raise havoc in the U.S. (as if they really need to sneak in the back door) disguised as Mexicans because, well, . . . dare I say it?:
Brown-skinned people all look alike to us.

"Mexico has never been an ally with the U.S."
The insinuation being: therefore, Mexicans cannot be trusted.

But you are not against Mexico?

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Am not opposed to there being Mexican people

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. . . Not as long as they stay on their side of border, correct?

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so how am I anti-Mexican?

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For starters, you virtually hurl the word "immigrant" as a curse word.

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Second, you compare them to terrorists.

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Third, your words reflect an attitude that we over-generously deign to let them set foot in the Southwest United States when, in fact, they were here before us

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You ever notice that no one is worried about the US-Canada border?

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It's twice as long and less controlled than our southern border and, as the guy that tried to slip through to go after the Space Needle in Seattle showed us, the terrorists know this too!

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn
"Because their is underlying racism behind your race war fantasy." To which I had to point out that neither Mexicans nor hispanics share any physical commonality that can be attributed to one race.

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Mexico has a corrupt government, just a fact.

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I believe the possibility is there for the "bad element" (criminal element) in Mexico to join with "radical islamics"

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I would think that a person accusing me of racism would know such.

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If I were "against Mexico" I would not have lived there or desire to see it continue or desire to see it improve or invest my money in it.

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From an earlier post of mine "I am all for legal crossings whether to be a citizen or day worker. But the border must be honored."

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Oh my gosh! look at that cursing

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I do recall saying three or four times of the possibilty of the bad element in Mexico (they have bad guys just like us) joining with the bad element of islam (they have bad people too)

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And I did admit to California, New Mexico, Arizona and Texas (my home) once belonging to Mexico. So not sure what you are driving at.

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I stated very clearly in post #38 that you seemed nationalistic and possibly xenophobic, but not racist.

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A pointless fact. No country lacks corruption in their government.

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Okay, you've convinced me: you are not anti-Mexico. But I still think that you are nationalistic and possibly xenophobic.

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You might want to rethink your position on this one. An Islamic terrorist, or "bad element" Mexican could cross the border legally as a day laborer or prospective citizen on visa. Couldn't this play out in your 5 year prediction?

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It seemed to me that you protested "I am not an immigrant" as if such a label were beneath you or your forefathers. If I misunderstood you, then I am sorry. But along side of your 5 year paranoia and talk of the "bad element," my confusion is understandable.

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Yes they do, as does every country, culture, and society throughout the world. Why on earth do you single out Mexicans?

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That you act like we are doing them a favor by letting them into the lands where they have been for centuries now.

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It's like thinking that we are doing American Indians a favor by letting them stay in their ancestral homeland.

Oh-- that's right: we ungraciously removed Indians from most of their ancestral homelands. Yep, this is looking more and more like Palestine the more I think about it.

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ORIGINAL: mapachito13
BTW, you ever notice that no one is worried about the US-Canada border? It's twice as long and less controlled than our southern border and, as the guy that tried to slip through to go after the Space Needle in Seattle showed us, the terrorists know this too!

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ORIGINAL: tracydolls

Americans are gonna need to run past the fence they are building.

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn
Nationalism - "Devotion to the interests of one's nation." - Count me as guilty on that

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Xenophobe - "unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples". - From earlier posts, "And good for those who come here legally and want to be a citizen", "Good for them and glad to have them", "I am all for legal crossings whether to be a citizen or day worker." (in regards to people in Mexico) "Lots of great people and a great land".

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The corruption in the government of Mexico is one of the main reasons for people leaving there to enter the U.S. illegaly (and legally) and to many of our problems on the southern U.S. border. It rates high in the discussion.

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As said before, it is difficult to read when you are blinded by a bias, which I think you have against me because you so much want to see something that is not there.

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If you think my 5 year idea is , kooky, makes me a loon, hayseed redneck and such. That does not bother me because I could be wrong (and hope to be). But it does not fit paranoia, as we will see below.

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So what is Mexcio doing for their "ally" the U.S. in making sure that is not happening in Mexico and that there are not problems between our shared border that makes it difficult for the U.S.?

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Got to go to work around the property now, more later if you want.

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General John J. Pershing in his zealous pursuit of Pancho Villa breached the Mexican border in 1916-1917. This being after the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo in 1848 establishing the present borders between the two countries. The Mexican Army has never breached the border since 1848. Now tell me whose respecting the sovreignty of another nation more? Also which country has been involved in more foreign wars, Mexico or the United States?