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BeGone -> Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 11:16:16 AM)

I am just wondering is there anyone on this forum that has every visited a nude beach or resort. Did you feel convicted or did you feel comfrontable. I have never been to one but I have been told that people feel quite confrontable due to the fact that it is not a sexual thing but rather being proud of their body. Just wondering what others think.



guitarmark -> RE: Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 11:22:16 AM)

I'd be more inclined to think that it's all about the sexual aspect, but then, I've never visited a nude beach and don't plan to...

Look at the posts here in the forums that deal with modest dress and you'll see that even fully-clothed people cause others to think sexual thoughts. How in the world would complete nudity not be infinitely more likely to cause sexual thoughts?

Maybe it's just me, but I don't believe that there's anything good about nude beaches. Man, I'm looking forward to the responses in this thread! LOL...



car2ner -> RE: Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 11:49:07 AM)

I have never been and there are just some people I wouldn't want to see naked. And some parts of my body need the support that they didn't need as much when I was younger. So I wouldn't want to go naked either.

Why others want to, only they can answer that one.



denbert -> RE: Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 11:53:29 AM)

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Yep, I have "furniture disease" and a "dunlop" problem. I think I'll just keep my clothes on and not gross out anyone.



Child4Jesus -> RE: Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 12:48:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BeGone
I am just wondering is there anyone on this forum that has every visited a nude beach or resort. Did you feel convicted or did you feel comfrontable. I have never been to one but I have been told that people feel quite confrontable due to the fact that it is not a sexual thing but rather being proud of their body. Just wondering what others think.


Just people making excuses plain and simple.



rcjames -> RE: Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 1:05:35 PM)

A few years past I had an invite to preach at an adult nudist camp in South Texas, seems they could get no one to do a service for them. I responed that I would, but that I would be wearing clothes.

It was a good service, a few folks saved and subsequently move from the nudist camp. and all heard the uncomprised Word of God preached.

I can assure all that there is nothing in an adult nudist camp (mostly retirees) that would cause one to lust and/or fall into sin.

Thanks
RC

edited for spelling



Okami -> RE: Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 2:15:27 PM)

When I was growing up, we frequented them.
Yes, it is a different standard and view of living.
People who didn't grow up around it simply can't seem to grasp the idea that it isn't sexual, because all they can imagine is their own views of seeing others in the nude.
There are several around here. Some more accessible than others, which means people with different morals coming to snap pictures. Some are secluded resorts / campgrounds that you have to be apart of the lifestyle to really know of. Some of the more secluded ones are where you find the family environments, and not just the old folks.

If there are any Christians there? I have no idea. I haven't been back to one for several years, and now, seeing people in the nude has a different effect on me. Even if after an hour or two I would probably be back to ignoring it, I still don't need the temptation and unconfortability.

Yes, I think it would be a bad idea if we went. But those that grow up in it do have a different view on it. It isn't even about being proud of their bodies. It's just the way they are.
A blanket statement of "rationalizing" is purely ignorance. People outside of growing up in it simply can't understand it.



zamdad -> RE: Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 3:03:47 PM)

Not another thread on nudism. This topic seems to pop up about once a year. Seems that, all too frequently, they are brought forth by someone with an agenda. They are disguised as innocent questions to get people eager for conversation to have a dicey topic to talk about. While most advocates of nudism will say that there is nothing sexual in it, their ultimate goal is to get you out of your clothes. While there may be no coitus occuring in person, how would anyone know what thoughts are being entertained in the mind of another?



Okami -> RE: Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 3:11:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: zamdad

how would anyone know what thoughts are being entertained in the mind of another


Perhaps you should apply that to your own statement



zamdad -> RE: Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 3:19:48 PM)

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Okami
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ORIGINAL: zamdad

how would anyone know what thoughts are being entertained in the mind of another

Perhaps you should apply that to your own statement


Perhaps. But, after working with sex offenders for a lengthy period of time, I have learned that people will resort to nearly anything to satisfy their prurient interests.



guitarmark -> RE: Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 5:15:59 PM)

This thread's gonna get ugly, real fast... [8|]

For the pro-nudists, please tell me why it's necessary? Seriously, why?



wunderschon -> RE: Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 5:34:13 PM)

I have wondered why quite a few things here on Crosswalk, a Christian forum, have been defended, rationalised, and justified by Christians-including some things that people who don't profess Christianity wouldn't defend. It's been either enlightening or disillusioning, I'm not completely sure which. Thank God my faith is in Him and not man.



denbert -> RE: Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 7:25:42 PM)

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Well, things do get interesting to say the least.



kjvthumper -> RE: Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 7:56:12 PM)

What do the scriptures say about such a thing?

Le 18:6 ¶ None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.
7 The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
8 The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness.
9 The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover.
10 The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness.
11 The nakedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
12 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister: she is thy father's near kinswoman.
13 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister: for she is thy mother's near kinswoman.
14 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, thou shalt not approach to his wife: she is thine aunt.
15 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law: she is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
16 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness.
17 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.

Seeing as I understand that most of these colonies or camps are family oriented, I suppose that the above verses are probably being violated. Also, when we look back at Genesis 3 after Adam and Eve sinned, God made them coats of skins for a covering. God clothed their nakedness. The new testament speaks of modest dress. The issue does not have to be one of sexual perversion for the christian, but it is one of obedience to the scriptures.



Okami -> RE: Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 8:44:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: guitarmark



For the pro-nudists, please tell me why it's necessary? Seriously, why?



It's just the way they were raised. They don't see anything sexual in it.
But like RC stated, when they got converted / introduced to Jesus, they left and lead different lives now.



guitarmark -> RE: Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 8:54:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Okami

It's just the way they were raised. They don't see anything sexual in it.
But like RC stated, when they got converted / introduced to Jesus, they left and lead different lives now.



I can see that, I suppose...
But if there are Christian pro-nudists among us, their opinions would be most interesting, don'tcha think? [8D]



Okami -> RE: Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 9:14:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kjvthumper

What do the scriptures say about such a thing?

Le 18:6 ¶ None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.
7 The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
8 The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness.
9 The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover.
10 The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness.
11 The nakedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
12 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister: she is thy father's near kinswoman.
13 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister: for she is thy mother's near kinswoman.
14 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, thou shalt not approach to his wife: she is thine aunt.
15 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law: she is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
16 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness.
17 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.

Seeing as I understand that most of these colonies or camps are family oriented, I suppose that the above verses are probably being violated. Also, when we look back at Genesis 3 after Adam and Eve sinned, God made them coats of skins for a covering. God clothed their nakedness. The new testament speaks of modest dress. The issue does not have to be one of sexual perversion for the christian, but it is one of obedience to the scriptures.


There is also a difference between forcing someone to take their clothes off and not.
"uncovering someone's nakedness" is such.
Adam and Eve covered up because they were suddenly ashamed. They were walking around just fine in a perfect state in which they were nude before sin came in and called them naked.
Naked also implies a state of not wanting to be seen.
You are caught naked, but when you take off your clothes, you are nude.
Modest is also something else as well. It is a non provacative fashion, or humble in meaning.
Nudists are modest in their lifestyle of dress (or lack thereof). They see eachother as "hi joe" , not "hi naked joe".

You can be pro-nudist and a Christian. But telling a Christian it is ok to visit a nudist camp opens the door to several problems in itself.



Memaw. -> RE: Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 9:21:42 PM)

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Adam and Eve covered up because they were suddenly ashamed. They were walking around just fine in a perfect state in which they were nude before sin came in and called them naked.


But the point is that sin did come into the world and it is still here.
As was said earlier by zamdad:

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While there may be no coitus occuring in person, how would anyone know what thoughts are being entertained in the mind of another?



Okami -> RE: Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 10:08:12 PM)

And like I said in response.
The same can be applied to that statement in itself.

Everyone is looking at them telling them they are in the wrong, with only their current understanding of the world outside theirs.
They aren't going out to see naked people , like we would be if we were to go. They are waking up and going about life as it always was to them.

I just have the benefit of having the experience of being raised with it, so I have a better understanding of both sides.



kjvthumper -> RE: Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 10:09:59 PM)

Okami, I can see how Leviticus 18 can be misunderstood on a cursory reading of it to imply the forced uncovering of another person. However, there are other scriptures which teach that nakedness (nude is not in the bible) is wrong in public. About Adam and Eve, they covered themselves with fig leaves but apparently that wasn't enough for God so he gave them coats of skins (thus the first sacrifice or death for sin). God sanctioned their covering after sin and their is still sin today so I think its easy to conclude that God would want us covered up. They were naked before sin and naked afterward and God then covered them up. Nude is not in the text. There is no distinction made in the scriptures between nude and naked.
See also what God thinks about nakedness which is unforced:

Ex 20:26 Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.

Le 20:17 And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter, and see her nakedness, and she see his nakedness; it is a wicked thing; and they shall be cut off in the sight of their people: he hath uncovered his sister's nakedness; he shall bear his iniquity.

Le 20:11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

(notice it says that "they" shall be cut off in the sight of their people or "both of them" shall surely be put to death. "They" were both consenting. There is no forced uncovering here and it is called wickedness just to "see" their nakedness. Notice this is called "uncovering" her nakedness. Therefore the phrase "uncover the nakedness" is not implying by force. It simply means that the nakedness of the person has been seen or exposed. This is the context of Leviticus 18 NOT forced uncovering. The bible will uses language such as "forced" if it is indeed forced. See 2Sa 13:14 - Howbeit he would not hearken unto her voice: but, being stronger than she, forced her, and lay with her.This text in Leviticus uses no such language and thus is not implying forced nakedness at all.)

Na 3:5 Behold, I am against thee, saith the LORD of hosts; and I will discover thy skirts upon thy face, and I will shew the nations thy nakedness, and the kingdoms thy shame. (nakedness is the equivalent of shame here)

1Ti 2:9 ¶ In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; (your point was one of modest behaviour but the scriptures talk of modest apparel, which means clothing should be worn. )



guitarmark -> RE: Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 10:11:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Okami

Everyone is looking at them telling them they are in the wrong, with only their current understanding of the world outside theirs.
They aren't going out to see naked people , like we would be if we were to go. They are waking up and going about life as it always was to them.



They've been "conditioned" to see it as okay? Is that what's going on here? [8|]



kjvthumper -> RE: Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 10:17:38 PM)

Oh, and also, I am sure that the nudists are not going about their lifestyle with malice or perversion intended. But for a christian who should know better upon reading the scriptures, it would be wrong for them to live that lifestyle. For example, their are peoples on earth (Fiji for one) where canniballism is practised. They are "waking up and going about life as it always was to them" not knowing any better becaused that is how they were raised. Should it be alright for them upon conversion to continue in that lifestyle? Of course not. Now I know that is an extreme example but it follows the same logic and is found wanting. Are nudists wicked perverts? Probably not. They are just regular folks living a life they consider normal for them. But for the christian life changes in many areas and this should be one of them.



makarizo -> RE: Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 10:54:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kjvthumper

What do the scriptures say about such a thing?

Le 18:6 uncover their nakedness:
7 thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
8 The nakedness thou not uncover:
9 nakedness thou shalt not uncover.
10 thou shalt not uncover:
11 thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.
12 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness
13 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness
14 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness
15 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness uncover her nakedness.
16 uncover the nakedness
17 uncover the nakedness , to uncover her nakedness;


Kjvthumper...... get a commetary and find out what that phrase means.

there was a reason why God made garments of skins for the man & woman...... I vote for God!!!



kjvthumper -> RE: Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 11:19:24 PM)

Kjvthumper...... get a commetary and find out what that phrase means.

doer, with all do respect, I do not need a commentary I have a bible AND I can read too. I do not need to read a man's opinion to twist what I can clearly read for myself.

I vote for God!!!

Looks like your vote is for the commentary. Besides, the post is about nakedness, not an in depth study of the Fall of man in Genesis 3. I am aware of the need for a covering for sin in the context but we are not talking about that if you we not aware. In spite of all the reasons why, it is true that God covered them up. Also, it seems you have ignored the majority of my points and focused on one minor one on which my argument does not hinge. Thanks for the advice though.



StephK -> RE: Nude Resorts or Beaches (11/24/2007 11:24:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BeGone

I am just wondering is there anyone on this forum that has every visited a nude beach or resort. Did you feel convicted or did you feel comfrontable. I have never been to one but I have been told that people feel quite confrontable due to the fact that it is not a sexual thing but rather being proud of their body. Just wondering what others think.


I lived in Hawaii and there was an optional beach next to the state beach. Sometimes the peeps would get mixed up on where to go. It's not for me. There are places I wouldn't want to get skin cancer and I don't understand why someone would want to be a nudist on a sandy beach. [&:]



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