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Why NO Revival? - 12/20/2007 1:58:16 PM
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Gloryandgrace
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Ill be candid with my thoughts on why no revival. Im not looking for a list of reasons as much as I am looking for why YOU have not prayed for or are expecting a Revival?
Some of you might be praying for revival in your churches, your own life or for the Church in general.
It amazes me that so much hardness of heart exists behind a profession of orthodoxy love and fellowship but then again it exists behind my professions as well. I have felt a burden to know God in a greater way than I ever have. I have also experienced sin failures that seem to remain like a wooden idol nailed into the frame of my home, nothing short of a demolition hammer will remove it.
As I view the TV news, world events, the state of the Church in America
the young adults floundering and youth subjected to every assault of their minds and bodies I see that God is absent.
I cannot take pleasure in God's Sovereignty and convince myself that my current intercession, spirital watchfulness, Christlikeness are up to par.
Its not even a matter of being up to par, its a matter of having a heart that is aflame for God himself, zealous and anointed by the Spirit of God.
I will not substitute faith in God's Sovereignty for the satisfaction of knowing God deeply enough to be led by Him to live and preach the gospel with the power and unction of God.
My first impression is that the pastors are asleep. The congregations are asleep, or lukewarm. Some are so inward focused that the whole world could burn in cataclysmic flame and they wouldnt care. Others are so doctrinally skewed that to seek revival is to show intolerance to someone not seeking revival. Some are completely misled, they seek revival for fund raising, for healing services, for a better atmosphere at church.
It seems as though few are actually seeking revival or even care.
What say you?
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 12/20/2007 2:12:21 PM
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Some are so inward focused that the whole world could burn in cataclysmic flame and they wouldnt care.
You touched on what I think is a central reason revival isn't near - an inward focus. There are a lot of people seeking financial success, ecstatic experiences, and endless entertainment.
Few are seeking a cross - self-denial - that Christ calls us to. Few are seeking to be servants, they prefer to be lords and Him to be at their bec & call.
They have a religion that seeks to meet their needs, not the needs of others and they're certainly not seeking the will of God. They proclaim liberty without compassion. As James wrote, they pray in order to pleasure themselves not the Lord.
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 12/20/2007 2:47:13 PM
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ORIGINAL: Gloryandgrace
Ill be candid with my thoughts on why no revival. Im not looking for a list of reasons as much as I am looking for why YOU have not prayed for or are expecting a Revival?
Some of you might be praying for revival in your churches, your own life or for the Church in general.
It amazes me that so much hardness of heart exists behind a profession of orthodoxy love and fellowship but then again it exists behind my professions as well. I have felt a burden to know God in a greater way than I ever have. I have also experienced sin failures that seem to remain like a wooden idol nailed into the frame of my home, nothing short of a demolition hammer will remove it.
As I view the TV news, world events, the state of the Church in America
the young adults floundering and youth subjected to every assault of their minds and bodies I see that God is absent.
I cannot take pleasure in God's Sovereignty and convince myself that my current intercession, spirital watchfulness, Christlikeness are up to par.
Its not even a matter of being up to par, its a matter of having a heart that is aflame for God himself, zealous and anointed by the Spirit of God.
I will not substitute faith in God's Sovereignty for the satisfaction of knowing God deeply enough to be led by Him to live and preach the gospel with the power and unction of God.
My first impression is that the pastors are asleep. The congregations are asleep, or lukewarm. Some are so inward focused that the whole world could burn in cataclysmic flame and they wouldnt care. Others are so doctrinally skewed that to seek revival is to show intolerance to someone not seeking revival. Some are completely misled, they seek revival for fund raising, for healing services, for a better atmosphere at church.
It seems as though few are actually seeking revival or even care.
What say you?
There is MUCH prayer happening all around the world. Sometimes we just aren't informed enough about what's happening out there.
Mission statistician David Barrett, who has researched the magnitude of the prayer movement, says there are approximately 170 million Christians who are committed to praying every day for spiritual awakening and world evangelisation. In addition, there are 10 million prayer groups that focus on those priorities. Also, according to Barrett's figures, 20 million Christians worldwide believe their primary ministry calling is to pray daily for revival and for fulfilment of the Great Commission.
(National & International Religion Report, May 1992, p. 3)
This link is a statistical site. It shows that there are huge moves of God everywhere over the past century and the past decade.
CLICK HERE
God is moving and God is calling people to start up 24/7 prayer places everywhere.
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 12/20/2007 3:10:39 PM
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....May 1992
And 15 years of this 24/7 prayer has given us today's revival.
I must have been misreading the status of the world and Christendom.
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 12/20/2007 3:57:21 PM
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IMHO opinion these are the last days which the Bible calls " as in the days of Noah, or the days of great apostesy. maybe there wil be no great revivql. I have thought about this often. I may not be right let us hope not.
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 12/20/2007 4:12:49 PM
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Gloryandgrace,
Please give your definition of revival so I can give a response.
Thanks
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 12/20/2007 10:14:34 PM
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ORIGINAL: Gloryandgrace
I am looking for why YOU have not prayed for or are expecting a Revival?
I have...prayed for revival for many days, weeks, months, years.
However, I allowed myself to be distracted from praying for revival for a long time. I believe He is calling me back to pray for it again. I also, see Him moving in ways that indicate that He desires to bring it about.
The bottom line is, IMHO, there is no revival because we are content to live without it.
When someone placed into my hands the book "Praying Hyde"about 17 years ago, the Lord showed me what He could do and a great hunger and yearning began in my heart.
To the OP'er, are you being called to be instrumental in the next revival? As you probably are aware, it can start with God...and one person.
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 12/21/2007 9:25:52 AM
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Hi RC:
My definition of Revival is a felt increase in the overall presence of God that the churches come alive with new obedience, love for the lost, concern for Gods kingdom and a fleeing from worldliness, prayerlessness, sins of all kinds. It manifests in those not praying for revival, they feel and sense a new need to attend church, listen to scripture, repent of their sins, fear God. The overall sense of Gods presence brings a relief from the estrangedness toward God through out the community and a sense of willingness to move to biblical spiritual things.
Cherished:
I believe you hit the nail right on the head, in fact exactly hit it.
We dont pray for revival because we are happy without one, we really dont think its necessary or required to fufill the great commission or function as the Church in the world.
yes, I am praying for revival.
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 12/21/2007 12:31:01 PM
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ORIGINAL: Gloryandgrace
Hi RC:
My definition of Revival is a felt increase in the overall presence of God that the churches come alive with new obedience, love for the lost, concern for Gods kingdom and a fleeing from worldliness, prayerlessness, sins of all kinds. It manifests in those not praying for revival, they feel and sense a new need to attend church, listen to scripture, repent of their sins, fear God. The overall sense of Gods presence brings a relief from the estrangedness toward God through out the community and a sense of willingness to move to biblical spiritual things.
Ok, there are many of us out there teaching, preaching, and praying for this; and in many places it is taking place.
I just wanted to be sure that you weren't talking about "Kingdom now" teaching before I jumped into the thread.
Thanks
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 12/21/2007 1:17:11 PM
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Hmm...Both of you are praying for it and Pastor James is actually "seeing" it or hearing about it?
The Lord began moving on my heart, just a few weeks ago as I saw Him doing some definite moving in my community. Maybe I need to heed Him a little closer 
I totally agree with your definition, John....
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 12/22/2007 4:38:30 PM
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ORIGINAL: Gloryandgrace
Ill be candid with my thoughts on why no revival. Im not looking for a list of reasons as much as I am looking for why YOU have not prayed for or are expecting a Revival?
Some of you might be praying for revival in your churches, your own life or for the Church in general.
It amazes me that so much hardness of heart exists behind a profession of orthodoxy love and fellowship but then again it exists behind my professions as well. I have felt a burden to know God in a greater way than I ever have. I have also experienced sin failures that seem to remain like a wooden idol nailed into the frame of my home, nothing short of a demolition hammer will remove it.
As I view the TV news, world events, the state of the Church in America
the young adults floundering and youth subjected to every assault of their minds and bodies I see that God is absent.
I cannot take pleasure in God's Sovereignty and convince myself that my current intercession, spirital watchfulness, Christlikeness are up to par.
Its not even a matter of being up to par, its a matter of having a heart that is aflame for God himself, zealous and anointed by the Spirit of God.
I will not substitute faith in God's Sovereignty for the satisfaction of knowing God deeply enough to be led by Him to live and preach the gospel with the power and unction of God.
My first impression is that the pastors are asleep. The congregations are asleep, or lukewarm. Some are so inward focused that the whole world could burn in cataclysmic flame and they wouldnt care. Others are so doctrinally skewed that to seek revival is to show intolerance to someone not seeking revival. Some are completely misled, they seek revival for fund raising, for healing services, for a better atmosphere at church.
It seems as though few are actually seeking revival or even care.
What say you?
Well here is what say I. What the heck is "revival" anyway? I was in the Pentecostal church for over a decade. And always, this cliched term was used.
"Pray for revival".
"A revival service".
"Revival in our land, country, city, town", etc.
Revival, revival, revival. After a while, to me, it just was a catch phrase. What on earth is it supposed to be? Why are pastors asking for revival in their own church, for goodness sakes? By implication then, when a pastor says that, he is saying that his congregation is dead and useless. I mean, you wouldn't be praying one morining for your car to start if it has no problems starting.
And what is "revival" in one's city? What does it mean? Does it mean a significant portion of unbelievers becoming saved and coming into church? I don't know, it was never explained. Just this constant mantra and chanting:
Revival, revival, revival.
And what the heck is a "revival service?" How does a "revival service" differ from a regular service? To me, it's gobbledy gook. It's a bit like the debate on music, and certain Christians go around talking about secular music not "edifying you".
I would bet 9 out of 10 Christians wouldn't even know what edification even means. Just like they don't know what is a "revival service". But it sounds spiritual, and the pastors say it all the time, so we'll just parrot it too.
Polly want a cracker?
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 12/22/2007 4:43:35 PM
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"My definition of Revival is a felt increase in the overall presence of God that the churches come alive with new obedience, love for the lost, concern for Gods kingdom and a fleeing from worldliness, prayerlessness, sins of all kinds. It manifests in those not praying for revival, they feel and sense a new need to attend church, listen to scripture, repent of their sins, fear God. The overall sense of Gods presence brings a relief from the estrangedness toward God through out the community and a sense of willingness to move to biblical spiritual things". - GloryandGrace
John already answered that question.
One thing you can be certain. If it is a true Heaven-sent revival then there is going to be a great work of the enemy alongside of it...
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 12/22/2007 5:34:44 PM
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Guys this is not boasting, But, I have tried and will keep trying with all my heart. I feel a sense of frustration sometimes, that though I try, it seems they drop out ect............. One thing, I try to do in public is act in a way that shines the light of Jesus. I do not want everyone to think there is no difference between me and the world. I think that is what the world longs to see. Do not get me wrong I am not thinking I am holier than thou That is for sure not the truth
It sems to me my calling is more geared toward encouraging, and helping those already that have come to Christ. I do also realize, and try to outreach to the lost world also, but, it seems others are more effective than I amin bringing int the lost.
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 12/22/2007 7:40:30 PM
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By implication then, when a pastor says that, he is saying that his congregation is dead and useless. I mean, you wouldn't be praying one morining for your car to start if it has no problems starting.
Black sabb:
To pray for revival is in a real sense saying that we are fallen, sinful, backslidden, worldly, blinded, lukewarm, apathetic, dead and a host of other things that we realize is happening to us.
When the Church who carries the glorious gospel that saves is irrelevant in its communities, inert and ineffectual in its claims we can know for a certain God has withdrawn his presence and the church is in decline.
There can be much persecution, much sin, much pagan influence and power, much overarching resistance to God and his word, but those things do not mean the church is in decline. It could be growing and gaining influence. When we discern we are losing ground to the enemy, losing influence, favor, zeal, holiness, love because the believers are in a state of worldliness and apathy we need a revival.
I am one of the reasons we are not experiencing revival, I am to be blamed for worldliness in my own church among my own fellowship. I am praying that God will have mercy on me and on them for all the love toward Jesus Christ that is lacking among those whom I live. Even as I post this, its only a shallow representation of what needs to happen in my own heart.
John
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 12/24/2007 1:15:53 AM
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Hmmm! revival. It just came to me as I was reading. To keep it simple, in revival God is the centre of everything. That can be different things to different people.
In the 1904 Welsh revival the felt presence of God was thick on the ground. Meetings started but never ended. They went on 24 hours a day. Men were walking to the pub after work and they fell to their knees in conviction of sin, repented and went to the churches where revival was happening.
The believers caught up in this revival had one overwhelming experience. Their sinfulness and God's holiness.
Not so long ago a christian boarding school in the UK had a visitation from God. Their overwhelming experience was their sinfulness and God's holiness.
I guess the bottom line is revival happens when we need God. At the moment we don't as we live a life of ease and affluence and we can keep the machinery of religion turning over regardless of whether the Holy Spirit is in residence or not.
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 12/24/2007 1:25:29 AM
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Last night, a thought came into my mind and I wrote it down. Five pages later I stopped writing. I know now what the bible is talking about when it says that men wrote as inspired by the Holy Spirit.
FORM OR FUNCTION
There are two ways that the church can operate – form or function. When Jesus is head and the Holy Spirit is in control, the church functions with the gifting endowed by the Holy Spirit who gives severally as he wills. This opens the door to the priesthood of all believers through the power and anointing of the Holy Spirit to function in their given ministries. Such an endowment needs no approval or ordination of any man as the Holy Spirit makes way for the believers anointing (Luke 20 v 1/2). In a scenario of this kind, no one person needs to control anything as the Holy Spirit is the most effective executor of God’s perfect will.
What prevents this happening is a lack of faith in God, which spawns a belief that he cannot do anything without our help. After all, who is going to deal with the wayward and the immature, or those who disturb the status quo?
The simple answer is the Holy Spirit as God has no grandsons. His relationship with all his children is his and his alone to determine and if we consider that he is not doing a good job of bringing up his children, please realise that we have made a complete mess of it in our attempt to make God operate through our institutions.
There is only room for one boss in the church. If man assumes that role, the Holy Spirit will not stop him. Because he so gracious, he will usually leave, and let us get on with our perceived importance with the end result being that form takes over from function.
If the Holy Spirit is not there to lead, guide, teach, admonish, empower, heal, save and build, something or someone has to step into the void left. History and experience shows that form, which is nothing more than man’s efforts to please God, takes over.
This reveals itself in religious observance and rituals which become the purpose of spiritual life and expression and an end in themselves.
The grace of God is rapidly replaced with salvation by works gained through religious observance and the dead letter of the law. This turns a living relationship with a powerful and loving God into a dead observance of religious rituals that have no power of any kind, except to bind and control, let alone to save by grace.
Once the church becomes captive to such dead letter bondage, it then becomes the master and the simplicity of Christ and a living relationship is pushed out the door. In its place is a misguided and completely fictional idea that by fulfilling certain expectations and a meaningless set of rituals determined by a man made system that has not changed in 500 years, one is guaranteed salvation.
It becomes a classic example of the Galatian church which was admonished by Paul when he said that having begun in the spirit, are you made perfect in the flesh?
We are no longer dependent on the Holy Spirit as we can do all that is necessary to gain our salvation through these religious observances which is meant to give us the impression that we have achieved the required standard that man decides is necessary. In essence, this is nothing more than living under the old covenant law.
This is done to justify the fact that the Holy Spirit has left the building, so power and position has to be legitimised as his replacement. What better way to do this than to impose a set of rituals and regulations as a means to measure a person’s devotion to the cause. What better way to keep shackled those of independent mind and spirit who might uncover the nakedness of those who are anointed by man but not by God?
Too often one is judged by how many meetings one attends, how one sings a song or hymn, how one shows their attention to “riveting” sermons, how much money you contribute to the church institutions, how one shows their devotion to the denomination and its leadership, even thought it is a leadership without anointing.
Perform a few miracles without the approval of the “credentialed” authority and you’re considered to be in rebellion against the God appointed church hierarchy. Run a meeting in your home that people want to come to because there is a visitation of the spirit every time that you meet and you are considered a loose cannon.
No church is going to make an impression on society without three essentials. Prayer, power and priesthood.
Most churches, even Pentecostal ones as a percentage of total activity are prayerless.
Most churches, even Pentecostal ones as an expression of a supernatural God are powerless.
Most churches, even Pentecostal ones, provide little opportunity for the priesthood of all believers, preferring to concentrate ministry in the hands of a select few ‘credentialed’ people who have shown their devotion to the denominational leadership.
No one seems bothered that the church with a few exceptions has ground to a halt.
No one seems bothered that a supernatural demonstration of the Holy Spirit is non existent.
No one seems bothered that the majority of Christians are merely pew warmers for an elite few to strut their stuff and entertain the troops, thus denying the very clear expectation and involvement of all believers in making the body of christ a living organism that is called to be an ambassador for christ and to establish an alternative kingdom of love and grace to give effect to the salvation that christ died to achieve. All this is done on the basis that the select few are called by God to serve him and the church, but carefully avoiding teaching found in scripture that says we are ALL ministers of the new covenant, not just the select few who in deed if not in word, are a breed apart so they are to be revered and lauded with special attention, position and privileges.
Such indifference is nothing more than crucifying the Messiah on a daily basis and making all that he accomplished totally ineffectual and meaningless.
Wake up to yourself church, your impotence is showing!!
Until the church makes prayer the programme, not part of it, it will remain impotent. Until the church pleads for a visitation of the spirit and a return of the supernatural, it will remain a man made institution that is totally ineffective. Until it gives the Holy Spirit the right to anoint whoever he chooses to fulfil ministry to the body of Christ and the world, the church will continue to offer the dead letter of the law. Until the church humbles itself and admits it has failed miserably by its own strength to fulfil God’s mandate to go into all the world and make disciples and to live up to God’s expectations, it will continue to be irrelevant to most of the population and useless to God. It will deserve to have its invitation to the feast revoked in favour of others in the highways and byways of life who are called into the kingdom supernaturally by the spirit and who are not shackled by man made religious institutions and rituals. Theirs will be a living relationship with a loving God and they will in the spirit, following his commands as he gives them to each individual.
There will be an explosion of power and prayer like this country has never seen and the forces of evil that have taken captive governments and people’s minds will be rendered powerless in the face of the supernatural onslaught that will be unleashed by these people who “love not their lives to the death.”
No compromise will take on a new and powerful meaning by these supernatural warriors of God’s kingdom. They will sweep all before them and truly “Jesus Christ will be Lord.”
As this happens, the institutionalised, man made and controlled church will sit idly by, secure in its ineffectiveness and probably say “it must be of the devil.”
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 12/24/2007 3:01:18 PM
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Oh, yes, Marksman,
You were definitely under the anointing, power and control of the Holy Spirit when writing that 
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 12/25/2007 12:02:52 PM
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Marksman:
That is one of the top 5 posts Ive ever read on the subject ever written.
I wish you were wrong, I wish it wasnt like what youve said. I wish that the believers could all be anointed and
enjoy the freedom to edify the church and increase others by Gods power.
I do believe there are places where God's manifest presence is known and felt, but its not revival on the scale Im speaking of.
Youve rightly diagnosed the sickness and the cure.
I pray God administer the cure
John
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 12/25/2007 12:18:15 PM
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Marksman - thank you for sharing that.
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 12/27/2007 4:20:03 AM
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It becomes a classic example of the Galatian church which was admonished by Paul when he said that having begun in the spirit, are you made perfect in the flesh?
We are no longer dependent on the Holy Spirit as we can do all that is necessary to gain our salvation through these religious observances which is meant to give us the impression that we have achieved the required standard that man decides is necessary. In essence, this is nothing more than living under the old covenant law.
First I wanted to congratulate you on a well-written, (and, I strongly suspect, Spirit-led) post, but wanted to isolate this part of your post.
I really, genuinely, honestly believe this is at the root of the problem.
I recently got smacked with Galatians 5.
Yes, the whole chapter. Instead of choosing freedom I was beginning to choose enslavement to the Law... Of course, God knows me well, so He saw fit to hammer me with the chapter and I thank Him for it. 
I am not here saying the Law is a bad thing -- far from it! But Christ by His death , resurrection, and His fulfillment of the Law has set us free from that Law so that we can walk in the Spirit instead!
This is what I don't understand. The Bible says that if we walk in the Spirit, the Spirit will convict us of our sin! Yet instead of choosing to follow the Spirit, we choose to follow the Law, which over time becomes a burden.
Why do we as humans always choose the dodgy road?!?
I truly believe a major lesson to be learned from reading the Old Testament is that we CANNOT fulfill the Law in our own power! Israel tried how many times in the OT?!? (someone here will know this exactly, I suspect and will post an answer, lol).
I don't know a whole lot, I'm not the most mature of Christians, but I do know that if we do not humble ourselves and realise our errors, we'll be languishing for an awfully long time!
The other problem preventing a revival as defined in this thread is also hit on in Galatians 5:15 :
But if you are always biting and devouring one another, watch out! Beware of destroying one another.
Ever since Christ's resurrection the Church has been sniping at itself, and much like Israel, in many cases ignoring the prophets sent to it.
Jesus said:
(note I'm paraphrasing a little here) "A house divided itself cannot stand". (he is speaking to those accusing him of driving out spirits by Beelzebub where this is said - specifically the reference is Matt 12:25 - I wanted to check this to be sure).
Of course the Church cannot continue along like this forever.
Apologies for the monolithic post. 
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 12/27/2007 5:23:53 AM
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Marksman
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Thanks guys. It has encouraged me to share it in other circles as the spirit leads.
And yes John, like you, I wish I was wrong. However, reality is staring me in the face and as I am not committed to any denomination, I can see the obvious.
I almost feel like I am called to be a protestant Martin Luther. If that sounds a bit presumptious, please forgive me.
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 12/28/2007 6:38:29 PM
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Thanks Marksman. Absolutely right on the money. How we need to go back to the simplicity of devotion to Jesus alone and get away from the man made institutional church junk. It's killing people right and left.
Very thoughtful writing.
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 12/29/2007 1:47:24 PM
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Oh Marksman, may God raise you up to do great things and my God's name be great among the nations because of you.
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 12/29/2007 10:20:21 PM
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This is a dark time for the world, I believe this last age whether it be a 100 years or 2,000 years,
is an age where man will get further away from GOD and from the doctrine of true Christianity.
We will walk in a dark age, as Paul, Peter and JESUS himself, warned us about.
However, I think that with GOD, revival and worship happens, we have to tune out this MTV/Fox News society and our own lives and into the HOLY SPIRIT and we can hear him and join it.
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RE: Why NO Revival? - 12/29/2007 10:21:51 PM
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ORIGINAL: Marksman
Thanks guys. It has encouraged me to share it in other circles as the spirit leads.
And yes John, like you, I wish I was wrong. However, reality is staring me in the face and as I am not committed to any denomination, I can see the obvious.
I almost feel like I am called to be a protestant Martin Luther. If that sounds a bit presumptious, please forgive me.
NO it's not. Martin Luther was a flawed man, like everyone in the bible save JESUS. Many of us are called to special greatness, many Pauls, Peters,
and Martin Luthers (of both types) are out there, and we must have them, every generation needs great Christians and if you are called and chosen to be one, BE THAT ONE . ..
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