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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 6/14/2008 12:51:11 AM
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Kia_Grl21
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off topic but lisa, that picture looks so much like you!!! Looks like you barely changed
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 6/14/2008 6:54:03 AM
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Lol! Are you saying I still look nine? 
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 6/14/2008 6:57:47 AM
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Consecrated2God
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Maybe a little bit...and I have had six babies...most of them natural...
(Yeah, that was an attempt to not get too far off topic!) 
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 6/14/2008 7:00:46 AM
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You did, I remember how impressed I was at that, (and partly why I wanna have my future kiddos natural!!!) I do remember the last two, especially the baby, who probably isnt the baby anymore.... Where did you have each of yours and what made you want to go natural?
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 6/14/2008 7:14:43 AM
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It all started with my mom. She had given birth to her first four children in the hospital, and I attended her last hospital birth. I was right about the age I was in my avatar, actually, maybe a little younger. She delivered my sister on Labor Day. The doctor at the hospital didn't want to be there, and his wife was irritated because she wanted him at home on a holiday. So he went home, thinking it would be awhile, and when things started moving he didn't have time to get back. My sister was delivered by a nurse, and the cord was around her neck. The doctor showed up five minutes later. My sister was fine, but my mom was not happy with her birth experience. When she became pregnant with my next sister, she started looking into midwifery. I was at that birth, too, and the one after that. What I saw convinced me to birth at home, too. Since my husband's mother also used midwives and birthed at home, I didn't have any trouble convincing him to let me try it.
Our first baby was actually born at our midwive's rental house in Tennessee. We thought it would be fun to go down there instead of her coming up. She lived eight hours away, but had a local assistant. She would come up and do prenatals about a week before her clients were due so she'd be around when they went into labor.
Our second baby was born at home, with a different midwife. Our regular midwive's husband had been transfered to Georgia (he was in the military) and so the drive was too long at that point.
They moved back by the time our third was born, and she was born at a friends' house. We had met the midwife there so she could check me and another client at the same time, and the other lady insisted I stay and have my baby, since I was laboring and I didn't have air conditioning at my house.
Then we moved to Missouri, and I found a lovely birthing center with a midwife. It wasn't quite the same as a homebirth, because I didn't have the same relationship with my midwife that I was used to having, but on the pro side they had a jacuzzi to labor it. That was wonderful!
Our last birth was our only unnatural birth, and that was because the midwife retired and I couldn't find another one that I could afford. There was one (probably the one Sherry mentioned) that charged around $3500, but in our last year of school we couldn't afford that. We were on Missouri Medicaid at that point, so I went with a hospital birth. I had an epidural, because the entire experience was so different than what I was used to and they had me on my back with a fetal monitor the whole time. I couldn't manage the pain the way I was used to. I ended up having a horrible headache afterwards, and I was down for a week where normally I was up and about almost immediately after giving birth.
So that's our birth stories, in a nutshell! 
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 6/14/2008 8:01:46 AM
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Wow, that's amazing. Thank you for sharing those stories. Each birth is different, no matter the number!
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 6/14/2008 11:37:58 AM
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Kia_Grl21
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Lisa, did you have trouble finding someone in missouri? I have my L&D rotation next semester and have been doing some research into their policies here and its not really conducive to natural child birth. I"ll see first hand during clinicals their actions I guess, then go from there.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 6/14/2008 12:32:06 PM
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I just realized I missed one of my births. Abby was my fourth, and she was born at home before we moved to Missouri. I can't believe I forgot about her! 
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Wow, that's amazing. Thank you for sharing those stories. Each birth is different, no matter the number!
You're welcome.
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Lisa, did you have trouble finding someone in missouri? I have my L&D rotation next semester and have been doing some research into their policies here and its not really conducive to natural child birth. I"ll see first hand during clinicals their actions I guess, then go from there.
I did have trouble finding one when I was there. I found the birthing center with an internet search, but after they closed up I had a hard time finding a replacement. The assistant there had given me a number for a lay midwife after I had had my fifth, but I had lost it by the time I was pregnant with my sixth so I didn't know who to contact after the center had closed up.
You are right, though, the hospital policies in your area are not conducive to natural child birth. At Cox South, where Tim was born, they put an IV in you when you arrive and do constant fetal monitoring and do not let you walk around while in labor. The doctor wasn't even interested in looking at my birth plan. It was his way or nothing.
I'd suggest you contact a midwifery association in Missouri and get a number. Since the laws on midwives are tough there, the information isn't going to be public, but if you can get in contact with a group they might be able to track one down for you.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 6/14/2008 2:06:28 PM
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I just realized I missed one of my births. Abby was my fourth, and she was born at home before we moved to Missouri. I can't believe I forgot about her!
LOL....I was about to point that out and say that for a homeschooling momma you sure know how to count pretty good.....hehehe
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 6/14/2008 2:22:59 PM
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That's why we do roll call everytime we leave to go anywhere. Only one child has ever been left behind...and it wasn't Abby. It wasn't my fault, either. 
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 6/16/2008 2:24:17 PM
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I just realized I missed one of my births. Abby was my fourth, and she was born at home before we moved to Missouri. I can't believe I forgot about her!
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Wow, that's amazing. Thank you for sharing those stories. Each birth is different, no matter the number!
You're welcome.
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Lisa, did you have trouble finding someone in missouri? I have my L&D rotation next semester and have been doing some research into their policies here and its not really conducive to natural child birth. I"ll see first hand during clinicals their actions I guess, then go from there.
I did have trouble finding one when I was there. I found the birthing center with an internet search, but after they closed up I had a hard time finding a replacement. The assistant there had given me a number for a lay midwife after I had had my fifth, but I had lost it by the time I was pregnant with my sixth so I didn't know who to contact after the center had closed up.
You are right, though, the hospital policies in your area are not conducive to natural child birth. At Cox South, where Tim was born, they put an IV in you when you arrive and do constant fetal monitoring and do not let you walk around while in labor. The doctor wasn't even interested in looking at my birth plan. It was his way or nothing.
I'd suggest you contact a midwifery association in Missouri and get a number. Since the laws on midwives are tough there, the information isn't going to be public, but if you can get in contact with a group they might be able to track one down for you.
In regards to the IV and the monitoring......
Please be aware that no matter what the "Hospital Policy" is, you have the right to refuse anything that you want to. Of course, this won't make the nurse or the MD happy but so what.....
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 6/16/2008 2:26:12 PM
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Because....
when a nurse or MD does something to you that you did not consent to it is considered assault
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 6/16/2008 3:52:33 PM
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Please be aware that no matter what the "Hospital Policy" is, you have the right to refuse anything that you want to. Of course, this won't make the nurse or the MD happy but so what.....
Julia, the doctor told me that they would refuse me service if I didn't follow hospital policy.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 6/16/2008 4:09:13 PM
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Are there places in the US that can do that? Maybe I'm sheltered, but here in NY, a laboring woman can NEVER be refused care for ANY reason. They have signs up in every hospital admitting area saying that. SO especially if you are denying certain things (IV, having to stay in bed, etc)...there is nothing they can do about it.
I'm so thankful for my hospital. Last time, the nurse actually sat down with me and talked for 15 minutes about the epidural, because she said I was doing so well, she was sure I could do it without. She wasn't pushy and I appreciated being talked with that way, even though I did end up going with the epidural.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 6/16/2008 4:15:36 PM
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Please be aware that no matter what the "Hospital Policy" is, you have the right to refuse anything that you want to. Of course, this won't make the nurse or the MD happy but so what.....
Julia, the doctor told me that they would refuse me service if I didn't follow hospital policy.
They could refuse (lawfully) if it isn't an emergency and you have a chance to go to another place. Birthing might be different though. I know a doctor can refuse to treat a patient who doesn't agree with them, but it can't be in an emergency situation. I suspect they may consider labor to be urgent and have to "treat" it (for lack of a better word) whether they wanted to or not.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 6/16/2008 4:34:57 PM
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Yes - I believe a woman in active labor must be treated. I will try to find the specific law.
However the hospital may threaten that insurance or medicaid may refuse payment if you don't follow "policy."
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 6/16/2008 4:53:29 PM
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Here it is
EMPTALA
Emergency Medical Treatment And Active Labor Act
< Message edited by acknwldgeverygdthing -- 6/16/2008 4:59:56 PM >
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 6/16/2008 9:00:34 PM
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However the hospital may threaten that insurance or medicaid may refuse payment if you don't follow "policy."
I don't know if he was saying the hospital itself would refuse treatment, or just the doctor himself. And since I was on Medicaid, and not very many doctors accepted new Medicaid patients there, I was pretty much stuck.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 6/16/2008 9:02:46 PM
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When I want to do things that I know are against "hospital policy", I don't ask permission ahead of time. I just do them. For me, these include eating and drinking what I want during labor, and also having more people in the room than allowed (you're allowed two adults for the labor and delivery).
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 6/16/2008 10:28:03 PM
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However the hospital may threaten that insurance or medicaid may refuse payment if you don't follow "policy."
I don't know if he was saying the hospital itself would refuse treatment, or just the doctor himself. And since I was on Medicaid, and not very many doctors accepted new Medicaid patients there, I was pretty much stuck.
Hmm...Medicaid has a bunch of regulations, and may refuse payment for certain things, but usually the M.D. knows how to get the best payment for services provided. But he certainly doesn't want to go without Any payment at all.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 6/16/2008 11:04:58 PM
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Here it is
EMPTALA
Emergency Medical Treatment And Active Labor Act
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Emergency Medical Treatment And Active Labor Act
I actually thought that says that a woman can be transferred when she is in active labor, but the hospital/doctor has to do several things (to avoid trouble with laws). If that's true, then I can see a doctor dismissing a patient b/c they disagreed, but citing other reasons on paperwork. I know that kind of thing has happened before... because it's ended up in court at least once. (But the patient lost I think...based on what the doctors said.)
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 6/17/2008 5:01:22 PM
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The AMA has issued a proclamation against Ricki Lake and The Business of Being Born. I don't have a link...probably it's on their website.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 6/17/2008 7:26:02 PM
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I also hear that the AMA doesn't like The business of being born.
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