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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 5/19/2008 8:35:51 PM
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manda59
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My friend Jill was having to have a planned Caesarean section - and when they administered the spinal (think it was a spinal rather than an epidural), the anaesthetic went up her spine instead of down - she went into arrest, and they had to bring the Crash Team in to resuscitate her.
She was fine and the baby was fine - but a pretty terrifying experience for her and for her dh who was there watching (as he was going to be present at the birth!)
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 5/19/2008 9:03:57 PM
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purejoy
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Oh my goodness Manda! I can't imagine how that poor husband was feeling!
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 5/23/2008 4:40:27 PM
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manda59
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You might want to check this one out:
The Complete Guide to Pregnancy & Childbirth - Sheila Kitzinger
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 5/28/2008 11:25:58 PM
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purejoy
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ORIGINAL: manda59
You might want to check this one out:
The Complete Guide to Pregnancy & Childbirth - Sheila Kitzinger
Manda, have you read this book? I read the amazon reviews, but am wondering what your thoughts were?
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 5/29/2008 5:58:51 AM
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It was a *long time ago* (my children are 18 and 14), but I remember it being informative and well-written. She does tend to be rather pro "natural" birth though, but the main focus of her work (and campaigns) is for women to have the information they need to make choices about childbirth.
http://www.sheilakitzinger.com/
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 5/29/2008 8:55:57 AM
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I want to KNOW about meds because I might want to use them, but then again dont want to "not feel a thing".
my opinion (and experience) with meds...if you are going to use them then go with the epidural...anything else isn't worth it because it will only make you drowsy or loopy but not really do much of anything for the pain. No the epidural doesn't make it so that you don't feel a thing (well, it can, but it doesn't have to)...there are all sorts of doses of it, and for me I have always been able to get it to work for the pain but still be in control of pushing and moving, etc. (Not that I have a book, but that's just my experience and what I have gathered is very true of others over the years too)
and no I have no books recommendations that are middle of the road...I gave up reading books years ago because they were either one side or the other.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 5/29/2008 9:22:02 AM
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my opinion (and experience) with meds...if you are going to use them then go with the epidural...anything else isn't worth it because it will only make you drowsy or loopy but not really do much of anything for the pain. No the epidural doesn't make it so that you don't feel a thing (well, it can, but it doesn't have to)...there are all sorts of doses of it, and for me I have always been able to get it to work for the pain but still be in control of pushing and moving, etc.
I agree. You can also tell the anesthesiologist that you want a light epidural and they should have no problem with that. Other drugs were totally not worth it for me.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 5/29/2008 11:01:13 AM
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And on the topic of drugs...I really do not think I would take anything besides the epidural, either. Considering 25mg of Benadryl zonks me for (literally) 24 hours...narcotics are much worse. I'd like to actually be awake and conscious for the first day of my baby's life. 
I can usually take a children's tylenol and get zonked out....I rarely (and I mean RARELY) take any meds, and the epidural works great for me. I have tried other drugs in labor and they did nothing for the pain, just made me feel loopy and like I couldn't handle the pain anymore. It is epidural all the way for me!!!
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 5/29/2008 12:44:43 PM
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One you might want to try if you're not sure if you need the epidural is the laughing gas. If it doesn't work for you or you don't like the side effects or how it makes you feel, you just stop breathing it in and any side effects stop within a minute. It worked enough for me to make the epidural unnecessary with #4.
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Pain relieving gas is often used to relieve labour pain. Entonox is a mixture of oxygen and nitrous oxide (laughing gas). It is designed to provide as good a pain relief as possible without causing undue sleepiness. The gas works quickly, but takes about 30 to 45 seconds to have an effect.
To gain maximum benefit you need to start breathing it as soon as you feel a contraction start. This means the maximum action is being achieved at the height of the contraction. Entonox can be used throughout both early labour and the delivery of your baby. Entonox crosses the placenta but is not known to have any effect on your baby. The higher concentration of oxygen may help your baby.
Some mothers feel light-headed during use. Occasionally nausea can be experienced, as can tiredness. Some mothers complain of a dry mouth, so you may wish to have a glass of water to sip, or small ice cubes to suck. You may experience a tingling in your fingers. This is due to overbreathing. Your midwife will know when you are doing this and remind you of your breathing exercises (sigh out slowly) and this will automatically lead to rhythmic breathing.
Entonox only works when you breath it in, so it's effects wear off very quickly once you stop breathing it, normally within a minute.
Gas mixtures will give help to relieve pain but will not remove it completely. The best use is to cope with a short periods of pain, such as the time immediately before giving birth.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 5/29/2008 12:45:23 PM
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Now that I would try...but my hospital doesn't offer it.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 5/29/2008 2:32:38 PM
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Hmmm...I would like to try laughing gas, but dont think my hopsital offers it. I'm kind of one of the middle ground people. I'm a wimp and hate pain, but I'd like to go a natural. So I'm right there with you purejoy. I'm not one of the girls that are like "give me all the drugs right away, I want to feel no pain" but then again I am not into the 100% handoff group either. You'd think there would be more info that not one absolute or the other. I wonder if that is sometimes where you end up with bad birth experiences....women feel like they either have to be one extreme or the other. Thats one of the main reasons I want to go to the hospital's birthing classes, so I know whats available, I dont even know what half this stuff is!
FWIW...thats why I am subbed to BOTH natural and unnatural threads!
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 5/29/2008 2:47:54 PM
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Entonox is also known as Nitronox ... (or even just as nitrous ...) I can't use it ... it causes me to toss my cookies every time (plus whatever else was/wasn't in my stomach!)
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 5/29/2008 4:00:44 PM
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Honestly, I'm not scared of the pain. I've dealt with pain...lots of it. I know this will be different areas of pain. But dealing with acute and chronic pain has taught me how to mentally deal with pain, and not be scared of it. I think one of the biggest problems with pain is not actually pain itself (sometimes it is) but the fear that comes with pain. I see it all the time....often people feel the pain and think that means something is wrong....and they freak out. So then their pain intensifies, because they're so fearful and panicked about it. Especially with labor an delivery, I think it's so important that we understand what is going on, so the pain isn't viewed as a bad thing. Just the result of our body doing it's job.
But, on that note, I also don't feel like I need to attempt to be superwoman and tough it out just for the sake of toughing it out. Which is why I'm so middle of the road.  Like I said before, I'm not scared of an epidural either. So if things start getting too bad, why not just take it?
And, especially when I read the natural thread, I feel really bizarre about this....but I'm not looking for a "birth experience." At this point I don't feel as if I have any expectation other than to get the baby out, and have me and baby both healthy in the end. I'm pretty laid back in general, so maybe that's part of it? I'm not sure. Reading some things makes me feel like I should care more. But I just kind of look at labor and delivery as something I have to do to get the end result...my baby.
Those are obviously just my own personal opinions.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/4/2008 5:44:15 PM
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In our hospital you can walk with an IV pole, I saw several women doing so...
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/4/2008 7:48:11 PM
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Around here if you have a running IV, even if it is on a moveable pole, they insist you stay either in bed or in the chair directly beside the bed, as once they start the IV running, they INSIST on constant fetal monitoring ... drives me nuts, as it is (at least to me) fairly common knowledge that movement helps the progression of labour, and forcing a woman to stay in one or two positions total hinders that labour and creates a rise in the number of complications and (prior to that) unnecessary interventions.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/4/2008 10:01:43 PM
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I've seen many women walking with their IVs in the hospitals in my area. It may be more of a preference of the nurses on duty too, I know my sister encourages patients to get up and move if the doctor says they can, where some of her co-workers don't appreciate needing to follow or hunt-down the patients to be able to check in on them.
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RE: Do we need an UNNatural childbirth support and disc... - 6/4/2008 11:28:18 PM
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Thanks, girls. I've been wondering about that for awhile....why all the hype about "I only want a heplock!" But if some do strap you down, it's more understandable.
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And, knowing how terrible I felt at the time of the spinal taps, and how much pain I was feeling, and how I didn't care what anyone was doing to me (and in all honesty, I didn't even really feel it)....I have a feeling it may be the same when I'm in pain in labor. 
With #3 I used it too. I had asked for the epi, but the anesthesiologiest was doing a c-section so it would have to wait 1 1/2 hrs, so I tried the gas while I was waiting. I actually wouldn't have needed the epi, but when she came in to do it I thought she was a cartoon character and didn't think of telling them not to do it after all. 
