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iluvdarci -> Figure Skating (2/3/2008 3:09:06 PM)

Does anybody else enjoy watching figure skating?



HisCovenant -> RE: Figure Skating (2/5/2008 11:14:06 AM)

Watching it and doing it. [;)]



uncabeeil -> RE: Figure Skating (2/5/2008 3:19:42 PM)

I'd rather watch the shows than the competitions. The amateurs don't do much more than skate from one end to the other as hard as they can to get up speed for all the triple jumps. I'd rather watch Kurt Browning do a show number with lots of footwork and some actual artful skating between moves. IOW, give me Peggy Fleming and Janet Lynne and keep Michelle Kwan and Surali Bonaly.



HisCovenant -> RE: Figure Skating (2/5/2008 3:28:14 PM)

I like the shows a lot, too. The skaters are much more relaxed and the choreography is geared towards entertainment instead of showing skill. It takes skill to do it, but there aren't the required elements in a show program that there are in a competititive program.

Have you watched a competition since they changed the judging system? They now get points for each move they make, so there is a lot less of the boring jump set up. They get extra points for a more difficult entry.



uncabeeil -> RE: Figure Skating (2/5/2008 4:17:54 PM)

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Have you watched a competition since they changed the judging system? They now get points for each move they make, so there is a lot less of the boring jump set up. They get extra points for a more difficult entry.
I thought just the opposite. It appears to me that the new system forces them to jump jump jump with no real credit for an artistic performance. The women in particular seem to do little more than skate around between jumps. Maybe it's just that they're so young now, and by the time they've matured enough to appreciate a good artistic performance they're already pros. Besdies, a "10" is much more exciting to me than a 59.73582. [8D]

I also think it's a bit ridiculous that this year's US champion can't skate in the worlds because she's too young. She shouldn't be in the senior competition if she's that young. The pairs have the same problem, she's too young for the senior worlds and he's too old for the juniors.



HisCovenant -> RE: Figure Skating (2/5/2008 4:41:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: uncabeeil

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Have you watched a competition since they changed the judging system? They now get points for each move they make, so there is a lot less of the boring jump set up. They get extra points for a more difficult entry.
I thought just the opposite. It appears to me that the new system forces them to jump jump jump with no real credit for an artistic performance. The women in particular seem to do little more than skate around between jumps. Maybe it's just that they're so young now, and by the time they've matured enough to appreciate a good artistic performance they're already pros. Besdies, a "10" is much more exciting to me than a 59.73582. [8D]

There's definately a difference in doing the skills and doing them with artistry, and maturity many times will help that. I felt that the new system had helped increase the skill level in competitions, and decreased the long jump set-up by adding footwork into the jump instead of a one-foot glide. I guess I am not concerned so much about atristry in competitions because I understand the point is to show skills, not to entertain. That's not to say that those who excell shouldn't show artistry or won't as their confidence rises.

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I also think it's a bit ridiculous that this year's US champion can't skate in the worlds because she's too young. She shouldn't be in the senior competition if she's that young. The pairs have the same problem, she's too young for the senior worlds and he's too old for the juniors.

That's because you have different orgs making the rules. I'm not sure why the Worlds has a higher age limit.



iluvdarci -> RE: Figure Skating (2/5/2008 7:53:51 PM)

I think what is the most unfair is that the seniors that are two young for senior worlds get to go to Jr. worlds. What about the ones that just won the Jr titles? If they make it to seniors then they shouldn't be allowed to skate Jrs anymore.

I don't no much about all the rules but I do enjoy watching compatitions. I guess what made it more exciting was knowing that the senior men were only a little over a point apart going into the free skate.



HisCovenant -> RE: Figure Skating (2/5/2008 7:58:22 PM)

The reason it's fair is because Jrs and Srs don't mean the same thing to the different orgs. It is sad, but they know going into the competition that the rules for different leagues aren't the same. It's kind of like changing jobs from one accounting firm to another- you know going in there will be different policies.

A Sr in USFSA org can't skate Jr USFSA.



iluvdarci -> RE: Figure Skating (2/5/2008 9:48:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HisCovenant

The reason it's fair is because Jrs and Srs don't mean the same thing to the different orgs. It is sad, but they know going into the competition that the rules for different leagues aren't the same. It's kind of like changing jobs from one accounting firm to another- you know going in there will be different policies.

A Sr in USFSA org can't skate Jr USFSA.

Yes I guess thats true. my sister knows more about all the details then I do. I have a hard time remembering which jump is the lutz or which one is the flip, and so on. I think the axel is the only one I can ever remember! I have never been very good at skating, but I still think it is beautifull to watch.



HisCovenant -> RE: Figure Skating (2/5/2008 10:05:19 PM)

It's a lot harder than those world-class athletes make it look!



iluvdarci -> RE: Figure Skating (2/5/2008 10:34:34 PM)

I'm sure it is. I can not even begin to imagine falling like they do! and they just get up and go on skating. We don't do much skating with the closest rink about 40min away and not having cold enough winters to keep the ponds frozen. do you skate a lot?



HisCovenant -> RE: Figure Skating (2/6/2008 9:28:56 AM)

Right, now it's 2x a week. We have a really good USFSA Club about 15 minutes from my home. I've been skating for 4 years and my main goal is exercise... but I set many mini goals to skate better and keep me motivated. I'm 33, so I started as an adult, and am shocked at how well I skate. I don't mean that as bragging... I just expected to learn how to skate in a straight line without falling when I started and I've progressed further than I even thought to dream. I'm just amazed at how far I have come.



iluvdarci -> RE: Figure Skating (2/6/2008 10:54:02 AM)

Wow, thats great! I would love to learn how to skate better but I think I would enjoy watching one of the kids learn just as much (I have 2 nephews and I babysit two little girls.) However, with them not being my kids it's not up to me[;)].



amyk -> RE: Figure Skating (2/6/2008 1:15:32 PM)

I agree that I don't really enjoy the amateur stuff that much these days. I miss the days of really fabulous footwork (Scotty Hamilton!) and I hate it when all they do is set up for the jump. I have not watched any though under the new rules to be able to comment about that. But even before the new rules, it seemed like all that mattered was how many jumps were planned and executed and how difficult they were. I would rather see a completely clean program with less difficult and/or fewer jumps (but with a lot of exciting footwork) than a program where someone attempts the quadruple but falls.



iluvdarci -> RE: Figure Skating (2/6/2008 1:31:11 PM)

Have you watched any with Scott Hamilton as a commentator? He makes everthing so much more interesting!! I think right now Johnny Weir must be one of the best skaters out there. He did a quad in his free skate at nationals but he is very artistic. I have only started watching figure skating in the past few years so I am not at all familliar with the old system.



lexie -> RE: Figure Skating (2/6/2008 4:58:57 PM)

I only watch the Canadian championships and the Worlds. Other than that I don't pay much attention to it unless it's a show (I love going to Stars on Ice).

I'm not a big fan of the new system. I don't fully understand it, I've only ever competed under the old system, but I'm a big fan of artistry in figure skating. I think it's what sets a lot of people apart as excellent figure skaters. As well, I'm tired of watching everyone try a quadruple jump, but only one or two landing it. But I do think a new system was needed considering the corruption that went on for years.

Even with synchronized skating, they've taken away the original idea of fluidity and artistry in motion and added jumps and spins just for the sake of making things more difficult. Yes figure skating is a sport and there should be skill but it has always had a strong artistic nature to it, and for me personally it's a shame to see it leave that behind (but like I said, I'm old school and only know what it was like in the old system....things do need to move forward).

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I just expected to learn how to skate in a straight line without falling when I started and I've progressed further than I even thought to dream.


It's definitely a rare thing to see adults who can overcome the idea of falling and really take to the sport. I've only had a handful of adults who managed to go beyond the standard forwards, backwards and stopping. The best student I ever had was in his 50's - all he wanted to do was footwork, and man did I have fun choreographing sequences for him.



HisCovenant -> RE: Figure Skating (2/6/2008 5:09:26 PM)

I wouldn't say I have overcome my fear of falling, and if you saw me skate, lexie, you would recognize that quickly. I am much better at spinning and moves in the field than jumps. I keep telling my coach that it's not that adults are afraid of falling, but rather that they have wisdom. [sm=purplelaugh.gif] He doesn't buy it, though! Most adults who take lessons don't make it far before they give up, but there are about four who started around the same time as me who are still actively learning- two obsessed with jumping, one obsessed with spinning, and two who want to learn it all (that includes me, adding up to the five of us.) I've made some really good friends.

If you like artistry, are you impressed by the ice dancing in competitions? They ooze entertainment! I'm amazed at all those skaters can do.



iluvdarci -> RE: Figure Skating (2/6/2008 6:35:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lexie

I only watch the Canadian championships and the Worlds. Other than that I don't pay much attention to it unless it's a show (I love going to Stars on Ice).


Is Stars On Ice a good show? my sister has always wanted to go to a skating event or show and her birthday is tomorrow so one of her friends is getting tickets to Stars On Ice as a surprise. I



lexie -> RE: Figure Skating (2/6/2008 8:30:15 PM)

Wisdom...I like that HisCovenant. Today I was explaining to some of my kids why my skates have toepicks and theirs don't. Then they all wanted to see me jump. I told them I can't jump anymore because I'm too old. (I two footed my flip when I showed them, but I taught them waltz jumps so they were happy).

I love ice dancing, loved it when I trained, and love it now. However, I do usually watch just the free skates as the earlier ones can be a little boring for me.

Iluvdarci - I've been to Stars on Ice twice and enjoyed it both times. I did go once when they were filming for television which wasn't as much fun because afterward, all the people who fell have to reskate their number. There's a lot of waiting for them to come back out while they get cameras ready and stuff, so you sit there a lot afterward without anything to watch. But it is such an enjoyable show, I'm sure your sister will love it.

I've also seen Grease on Ice, that was....interesting!



uncabeeil -> RE: Figure Skating (2/7/2008 2:05:51 PM)

I've seen Champions on Ice live, and watch Stars on Ice every year when they televise it. Stars is usually more entertainment as the skaters are usually older and have gotten over the competitive aspect. Champions is the current champs, and they mainly skate their programs from their competitions, so there's more jumping and complicated spinning. Both shows use top quality skaters.



HisCovenant -> RE: Figure Skating (2/7/2008 9:04:04 PM)

I went to Champions on Ice a few years ago, and it was good. I don't think everyone there is currently a champion, but some were. They had some numbers that were pure entertainment- spoof skating. It's amazing some of those skaters can skate so poorly purposefully and not injure themselves.



iluvdarci -> RE: Figure Skating (2/7/2008 9:05:05 PM)

I heard Champions on Ice stopped touring or sold out to something else. I don't remember what anymore. I have never seen it live but I did watch it on TV once or twice.



HisCovenant -> RE: Figure Skating (2/7/2008 9:05:39 PM)

I hadn't heard, but that doesn't mean anything. [;)]



iluvdarci -> RE: Figure Skating (2/7/2008 9:10:45 PM)

Last year it was doing a show about an hour or two away and we wanted to go but some how or another we never made it! Wasn't Evan Lysacek in it last year? maybe I am thinking of another year.



wareaglekd -> RE: Figure Skating (2/11/2008 1:37:27 PM)

I thought the new scoring was better. I think it can help in the Worlds where before the Russians were constantly winning because of technical merit only. They need a lot of work on artistic. They seem to not get so well w/ that till they go pro like Evgeny. I enjoyed him on the skating/gymnastics special the other day. (I was glad to see Surya on it, been a long time.)

Sometimes the ameteur competition gets a little boring based on the fact we are getting to used to this & know what to expect. If there wasn't a Johnny vs. Evan battle going on, there wouldn't be too much to see. Although, I'm enjoying the romance w/ Evan & Tenith (sp.)

Yes, you can't beat a show of Kurt Browning & the Smucker's gang. When all of them follow Scott's footsteps into retirement, that will get boring too. k



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