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uncabeeil -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/5/2008 10:16:50 AM)

Johan's been my one bright spot this year. It was nice to see a rare comeback win. Now I've got three tough games with the red hot Dodgers.



clag4christ -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/5/2008 10:20:59 AM)

Well...I wish your Mets luck! My Red Sox did nicely this weekend...sweeping those Rays. I have no idea why we couldn't do that in Tampa Bay though...



noblesinger -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/5/2008 3:00:45 PM)

Well, the Atlanta Falcons beat my Cincinnati Bengals, I mean the Braves beat the Reds, 14-7 yesterday, completing a 3-game sweep. That puts the Reds 8 games under .500, and in last place, 7.5 games behind the Cards. And to top it all off, they've got the Cubs coming in for 2 games with Z-Man and Ryan Dempster pitching for them. I guess it's going to be a lo-o-o-o-ng summer in the Queen City! [&:][:'(][:o]



iwillfearnoevil -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/5/2008 3:01:41 PM)

i just love all this baseball talk !!!!!!!!!!



uncabeeil -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/5/2008 3:10:41 PM)

Duane, at least you have Junior's #600 to look forward to. That'll be something to celebrate.



noblesinger -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/5/2008 3:23:09 PM)

Duane, at least you have Junior's #600 to look forward to. That'll be something to celebrate.


Yeah. The only thing.



uncabeeil -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/5/2008 3:34:11 PM)

Hey, could be worse! You cold be a Mets fan like me. [&:]



iwillfearnoevil -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/5/2008 3:34:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: uncabeeil

Duane, at least you have Junior's #600 to look forward to. That'll be something to celebrate.


of which 400+ came in a mariners uniform ... how do you like dusty baker as manager duane?



noblesinger -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/6/2008 8:46:13 AM)

He seems to be a good fit for the Reds right now, but time will tell. I'm a bit disappointed in something I heard the other night as I listened to the broadcast; the Reds previous GM was told to sign Corey Patterson "at any price" - even though they had a Dusty Baker-type ballplayer already on the roster in Ryan Freel. I know that Dusty manged Corey in Chi-town, but it was as if he wasn't even gonna take a look at Ryan. If he'd come into the Spring with an open mind about Freel, maybe the Reds wouldn't have spent the money on Patterson. Not that he's playing badly right now - he isn't - but I might have done things a bit differently.

I can't believe that the Reds actually beat the Cubbies! Who says miracles don't happen anymore?!



Duane



Random -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/6/2008 11:28:34 AM)

I don't get Reds fans obsession with Freel. He is below average defensively, and even worse offensively. He is a utility player, at best, not a starting center fielder.

Volquez has been great, but they would have been better off keeping Josh Hamilton.



Yankee Nut -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/6/2008 11:11:15 PM)

My yanks are not doing that great right now but a lot of the players are hurt right now. Hope they come back healthy.

The Jays have been playing well so far except for tonight when they lost to Tampa.



DenimDiva -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/7/2008 2:03:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: uncabeeil

Hey, could be worse! You cold be a Mets fan like me. [&:]


Or a Giants fan like me.



iwillfearnoevil -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/7/2008 8:46:17 AM)

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My yanks are not doing that great right now but a lot of the players are hurt right now. Hope they come back healthy.


i had doubt since spring training that posada just had a dead arm that would come alive and he'd be fine. i think something is really wrong as evidenced by them finally placing him on the dl. i do hope i'm wrong, but i don't expect him to contribute this year but i think they'll still make the playoffs.



uncabeeil -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/7/2008 10:09:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DenimDiva

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ORIGINAL: uncabeeil

Hey, could be worse! You cold be a Mets fan like me. [&:]


Or a Giants fan like me.

Yeah, but the Giants don't have the lineup I do. The Mets are supposed to be this really scary offensive machine, and instead they're hitting somewhere around the Mendoza line. And yet Willie Randolph trots out the same lineup every day. And don't even get me started about the bullpen, or the number 2 through 5 starters!



Yankee Nut -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/10/2008 8:23:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: iwillfearnoevil

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ORIGINAL: Yankee Nut
My yanks are not doing that great right now but a lot of the players are hurt right now. Hope they come back healthy.


i had doubt since spring training that posada just had a dead arm that would come alive and he'd be fine. i think something is really wrong as evidenced by them finally placing him on the dl. i do hope i'm wrong, but i don't expect him to contribute this year but i think they'll still make the playoffs.


I hope Posada will come back soon as well. First time ever that he has been on the DL. I think the yanks will be fine as well. Glad the injurys are happening now instead of later in the year. Also it sounds like A-Rod will be comeing back this week as well.

The Jays are not looking good right now. They are loseing 9-0 to Cleveland right now. Plus Wells is injured.



clag4christ -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/13/2008 10:55:38 PM)

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I hope Posada will come back soon as well. First time ever that he has been on the DL.


'Roids will do that to ya.



noblesinger -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/14/2008 8:02:27 AM)

Break up the Reds!!! They're on a two game winning streak! [sm=icon_smile_yikes.gif][sm=icon_smile_faint.gif]



uncabeeil -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/14/2008 8:22:01 AM)

Easy now, Duane. It won't last for long. [8D]



iwillfearnoevil -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/14/2008 9:08:47 AM)

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I hope Posada will come back soon as well. First time ever that he has been on the DL.

'Roids will do that to ya.


you do realize posada wasn't among the 89 players named in the mitchell report? do you have a source for posada and steroid use or just wanting to slander someone?



clag4christ -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/14/2008 3:22:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: iwillfearnoevil

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ORIGINAL: clag4christ
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I hope Posada will come back soon as well. First time ever that he has been on the DL.

'Roids will do that to ya.


you do realize posada wasn't among the 89 players named in the mitchell report? do you have a source for posada and steroid use or just wanting to slander someone?



Have you seen his stats for last year? He had a batting average of .338! His highest previous BA for his career was .287 8 years ago when he was just entering his prime. He was 36 last year...that's 3 years past his prime... His slugging percentage last year was .970 which was 27 points higher than the year he hit .287. People 3 years past their prime just don't have a career year without some kind of 'help'. And is it any coincidence that he's got a 'dead arm' this year? I think not...

And since when did anyone claim that the Mitchell Report was a comprehensive 'outing' of everyone who ever used steriods in MLB?



iwillfearnoevil -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/14/2008 3:33:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: clag4christ
Have you seen his stats for last year? He had a batting average of .338! His highest previous BA for his career was .287 8 years ago when he was just entering his prime. He was 36 last year...that's 3 years past his prime... His slugging percentage last year was .970 which was 27 points higher than the year he hit .287. People 3 years past their prime just don't have a career year without some kind of 'help'. And is it any coincidence that he's got a 'dead arm' this year? I think not...

And since when did anyone claim that the Mitchell Report was a comprehensive 'outing' of everyone who ever used steriods in MLB?


so basically you're just a rumor weed he certainly had a great year but you are twisting stats to your argument and your claim is simply laughable and sad



uncabeeil -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/15/2008 8:44:40 AM)

That's a pretty serious accusation to make based on one year's stats. Sometimes guys actually have career years without using "help". Roger Maris comes to mind immediately. 61 dingers in 150 games. How about Bob Gibson's 1.12 ERA? Or Denny McClain's 31 wins? Should we test Junior for hitting 600 career homers? How 'bout A-Rod? He's over 500 already and he's still a young man? Why not give the guy credit for a great season and leave it at that?

And lest you think I'm defending Posada because I live near NYC, let me remind I'm lifelong Mets fan.



noblesinger -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/15/2008 2:23:01 PM)

Uh, Bill? Remember that two game winning streak the Reds were on . . . that you said wouldn't last? Well, it's three games now and I'm feeling very faint right now. . .



Duane



uncabeeil -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/15/2008 3:05:48 PM)

Steady there, bro. You might wanna sit down before you think about that streak again.



clag4christ -> RE: THE 2008 BASEBALL THREAD (5/16/2008 11:25:32 PM)

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so basically you're just a rumor weed he certainly had a great year but you are twisting stats to your argument and your claim is simply laughable and sad


How am I twisting stats? Have you looked at his career stats perchance?

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That's a pretty serious accusation to make based on one year's stats. Sometimes guys actually have career years without using "help". Roger Maris comes to mind immediately. 61 dingers in 150 games. How about Bob Gibson's 1.12 ERA? Or Denny McClain's 31 wins? Should we test Junior for hitting 600 career homers? How 'bout A-Rod? He's over 500 already and he's still a young man? Why not give the guy credit for a great season and leave it at that?


It is a serious accuastion and one that I don't make lightly. I completely understand that guys can have career years without 'help'. But Roger Maris (hit 61 just when he was entering his prime in 1961 when he was 27), Bob Gibson (was 32 for his first Cy Young Award) & Denny McClain (24 when he won his first Cy Young Award) though pitching 'primes' are not as predictable as hitting primes since lots of pitchers get better with age...Randy Johnson being a prime example of that...

Ken Griffey hitting 600 home runs this year...it's obvious to me that if Ken ever juiced (though I personally doubt he did) that it didn't help him any...he's one with a natural talent for the game who sadly didn't keep his body in good enough shape to have had 'more' career years. He's also aged (as far as physique) as one would expect an aging ballplayer to...unlike say, Barry Bonds...

A. Rod has been personally implicated by Jose Canseco in conncection with steroids. Jose said that he injected A. Rod with some type of performance enhancing substance. Have you seen pictures of A. Rod when he was on the Mariners? He was a skinny kid...it's only after he went to the Rangers that he started to bulk up. And the Rangers clubhouse is one that is notorious for providing steroids and looking the other way when they were being used...

One cannot really count on many of the stats for the last 15-20 years because of the abundance and prevalance of steriods in the MLB...

If the stats continue on the same path...the home run totals for this year will be 200 less than they were in 2006 when both congress and MLB started their serious crackdown on banned and (not yet banned *HGH*) substances in the sport. 200! That's a huge number... Also pitching speeds are down on average over 2 mph!

I'm not pulling this stuff out of thin air. Jorge was much bigger last year as were his stats...



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