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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/9/2008 1:13:58 PM
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No quote just this .Can you all stop debating the issue and pray for those that are in this life of sin and darkness. i mean all the energy you all put into this thread you could be on your knees praying for us.There are some that does not want to live this life me for one. Im scared day and night over this thing .I do not want to die in my sin .I am a fallen brother so please you which are spiritual restore such a one in the spirit of meekness. I dont have to quote the Word i know it. What i need is someone to stand in the gap ,because i am unable to stand on my own. I'm asking you to fast and pray for me .That the LORD would have mercy on me and deliver me from this life of sin.
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Dear X10SIVE,
I assure you that there are many people here who are in prayer consistently for the homosexual community. This thread in no way argues against that. In fact, there are many posts here given in love to help others find that path to overcoming sin through Christ. You will be added to the prayer list now, as well. God bless and help you to overcome. 
Thank you WES and gtman i appreciate those kind words and prayer.I have read a few pages of this forum and there is a lot of advice given and it's wrong .I know experience is good ,but The Word of God is the final say so. I know for my self that God's word is true .I believe it all,and I know what state i am in now thats what makes it so hard knowing the truth and still continuing to do that which goes against God's word. Yes there is Romans 8:1, but I dont consider myself to be Christian because there is nothing Christ like about me. Who so ever you lend your members to you are servant of. Thats all i will say about that. I guess the more and more i open up you will see what all iam dealing with. I know for a fact after fallen my state is much worst .Thamk God that Jesus saves to the utter most.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/9/2008 2:35:14 PM
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X10SIVE,
I want to definitely ditto what Wes and Qtman are saying.
I also want to encourage you to realize that you do not have to do this of your own strength. Human strength is absolutely nothing and will fail absolutely every time.
Look to and hold on to Our Lord's Strength. THAT is what is going to bring you through. His Strength is immovable and nothing can ever conquer it.
Our Lord tells us this in His Word and even gives us a formula to follow so that we know exactly how to rely on HIM and His Strength:
Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His Might.
Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Stand therefore, having girded your waist with Truth, having put on the breastplate of Righteousness, and having shod your feet with the preparation of the Gospel of Peace; above all, taking the shield of Faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. And take the helmet of Salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God; praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints.
Ephesians 6:10-18
Stand, X10SIVE. Stand.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/9/2008 7:07:51 PM
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White Rose ,thankyou also for your encouragement and prayers.I know that Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. The more i hear the greater my faith will become ,but i know that we just cant be hearers only we must also be doer's of the Word.Here in is where my trouble is .Im not going to give up.I will continue to come here that the strong my bare the infirmities of the weak.(me) Once again thankyouQt man nad White Rose
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/14/2008 8:45:50 AM
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I know that there is no excuse for sin, but i need God to break the chains and loose the shackles of sin in my life. I have been fighting this thing at an early age maybe 5 or so .I'm just tired and I want to be totally delivered from it once and for all.Is there anything too hard for God? I have been in and out all my and I'm not talking about the church I'm talking about my relationship with God .Why cant I ever stay why do i keep falling.
I want to share a couple of things with you. First, you are not alone by any stretch of the imagination. I do not know of any person who has not at some time battled with something that needed to be overcome. Most of us still recognize things within us that need to be improved.
Second, while God promises to protect us if we come to Him, that will not happen until we do. IOW, you have to consciously choose God everyday! You have to. Without choosing Him, you are choosing satan. The hardest part of overcoming is reaching that point where you commit to God. After that, every day should begin, happen, and end with God at the center of your focus.
All doubts, fears, and attacks against "self-esteem" are from satan. You need to fellowship with some real Christian people and allow them to mentor you so that you can grow. The longer you maintain your walk with God, the stronger you become. It gets to the point where it is never a challenge, but a blessing.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/14/2008 10:26:03 PM
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Got an e-mail today with the following LINK which might be helpful for those participating in this discussion.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/18/2008 10:54:40 PM
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sunshimesmile and X10SIVE . . .
Both of y'all have been very much on my mind and in my heart this past week.
I will continue to pray for both of y'all.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/19/2008 10:32:25 AM
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However I do know that His Word is true He is not a man that He should lie or the son of man that He should repent . I wholly depend on Him to be faithful to His Word.Thats all that I have at this point .
And just which of his Words are you waiting on?
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/21/2008 6:07:31 AM
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I've spent a few months on this particular subject, as it has been, and continues to be a semi-hot topic in many church circles. I'm in the process of compiling my conclusions, based on biblical evidence of course, to anyone that'd like a quick reference to look at when defending against pro same-sex doctrines and statements made by those in the church. If you guys would like me to post it here, let me know. God bless.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/21/2008 6:20:00 AM
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However I do know that His Word is true He is not a man that He should lie or the son of man that He should repent . I wholly depend on Him to be faithful to His Word.Thats all that I have at this point .
And just which of his Words are you waiting on?
Thanks
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Psalms 25 Read This Chapter
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In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
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And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
Psalms 124 Read This Chapter
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Our soul is escaped as a bird out of the snare of the fowlers: the snare is broken, and we are escaped.
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A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh
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And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
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My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/21/2008 6:43:12 AM
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JC i dont really know what you meant by your comment so i gave a few scriptures that kind of gives you an idea of what WORD ,but im looking to God to perform HIS good Word in my life .I dont want to live a life of sin ,so any Word of God that would put me in the place where He would have me .Straight is the gate and narrow is the path that leads to everlasting life. Like i said ive been struggling with this my whole life and i want to be delivered from it once and for all.Im not saying that this is the only sin i commit on a daily bases ,but certainly is one of the hardest to over come .Even though the Word tells us that there is no sin that overcomes us that is not common to man . God did promise that sin will not have dominion over us did He not? Just because I dont want to be in this place dosent mean i have the power to get out of this place .If that was the case what would i need God for what need did Jesus have to die if we have the power within ourselves to save ourselves.The bible explains that our righteousness is as of filthy rags before God .There is no pleasing God in the flesh .One last thing what is impossible for man is more than possible for God.This is certainly an impossible thing to over come on my own .Do you really think that i want to be a part of what the devil is going to do on earth in the last days .Is it not understood that the homosexual life style will be a primary source and support along with other things that will give power to that which the enemy will do. No thank you .I want a heart towards God i want to be able to stand for Christ at all cost having nothing in me that the enemy can identify with .Now you tell me what WORD of God should i be waiting for if you felt like this .
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/21/2008 6:45:50 AM
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Thank You White Rose i really appreciate you praying for those looking to escape the traps of the enemy
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 4/21/2008 9:23:35 AM
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JC i dont really know what you meant by your comment so i gave a few scriptures that kind of gives you an idea of what WORD ,but im looking to God to perform HIS good Word in my life .I dont want to live a life of sin ,so any Word of God that would put me in the place where He would have me .Straight is the gate and narrow is the path that leads to everlasting life. Like i said ive been struggling with this my whole life and i want to be delivered from it once and for all.Im not saying that this is the only sin i commit on a daily bases ,but certainly is one of the hardest to over come .Even though the Word tells us that there is no sin that overcomes us that is not common to man . God did promise that sin will not have dominion over us did He not? Just because I dont want to be in this place dosent mean i have the power to get out of this place .If that was the case what would i need God for what need did Jesus have to die if we have the power within ourselves to save ourselves.The bible explains that our righteousness is as of filthy rags before God .There is no pleasing God in the flesh .One last thing what is impossible for man is more than possible for God.This is certainly an impossible thing to over come on my own .Do you really think that i want to be a part of what the devil is going to do on earth in the last days .Is it not understood that the homosexual life style will be a primary source and support along with other things that will give power to that which the enemy will do. No thank you .I want a heart towards God i want to be able to stand for Christ at all cost having nothing in me that the enemy can identify with .Now you tell me what WORD of God should i be waiting for if you felt like this .
Since you evidently are looking for scripture to live your life by try this
(Rom 12:1) I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
(Rom 12:2) And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Amd this one;
(1Th 4:3) For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
(1Th 4:4) That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
(1Th 4:5) Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
(1Th 4:6) That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
(1Th 4:7) For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
And this promise to us that we can live without giving into sin in our lives;
(1Co 10:13) There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Sin is a choice or a believer; so use 1Co 10:13 to chooce not to sin. And stop waiting on God to make you Holy he has already done it all, now you have to accept what He has done.and apply ii to your life.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 7/1/2008 4:44:58 PM
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Of course the topic is exhuasted. As you can see the Moderators of these forums are banning or threatening to ban everyone on this forum who do not have the same opinion as them regarding homosexuality (as seen in the forum rules).
How can there be a good, mature discussion between christians who have a different view on this if the christian authorities of this site censor it? They be default state that they are right and that we may not discuss this. We cannot question this or discuss about this in a way thats supportive of same-gender love...so what's there to discuss?
As you can see everyone who was against the forum rules on it and have explained why with well-thought out, unprovoking and filled with reasons-posts have been removed. I'm fear the day i will be censored and banned for my different christian views are not far off either.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 7/1/2008 8:17:22 PM
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First, you only have three posts, so you're not that invested.
Second, if all you want to discuss anyway is a pro-"same-gender" love, then this forum just isn't for you. (But there are lots and lots of other interesting threads, if you want to talk about something else!)
Third, the rules are based on a clear biblical mandate against homosexual relationships. And the rules are made by the people that own the forum, so it's up to them anyway.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 7/1/2008 9:36:18 PM
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Of course the topic is exhuasted. As you can see the Moderators of these forums are banning or threatening to ban everyone on this forum who do not have the same opinion as them regarding homosexuality (as seen in the forum rules).
How can there be a good, mature discussion between christians who have a different view on this if the christian authorities of this site censor it? They be default state that they are right and that we may not discuss this. We cannot question this or discuss about this in a way thats supportive of same-gender love...so what's there to discuss?
As you can see everyone who was against the forum rules on it and have explained why with well-thought out, unprovoking and filled with reasons-posts have been removed. I'm fear the day i will be censored and banned for my different christian views are not far off either.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 7/2/2008 10:14:23 AM
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Well, it's not that i am pro-love for same gender. I'd be way more better for all parties involved if male and females alike would fall in love with someone of the opposite gender. However i'm not american but european, i live in very secular country (as explained in another post). I come into contact with a lot of different people and i have family members that are gay (2 aunts).
She is from my father's side and used to be straight. The thing is unfortunatly the men she had a relationship with were all very aggressive and abused her (which we didn't know at that time). After many years she couldn't take it anymore and divorced. She never wanted to have a relationship with a man ever again. She just couldn't have a relationship with one anymore. She wanted to share her life with another woman instead the remainder of her life...
What she does is not condoned by the Bible that's certain. We asked her to go into therapy and try to convince her she could live a decent life with a good man. The phobia she had was just too strong and she refuses. We cannot convince her that her love is wrong. We had options here..we could try everything we could to force her to do what we wanted and may risk destroying her even further after everything she has been through or we could accept it and treat her as we used to before she married a woman (yes same-sex marriage is legal here). We did the latter and prayed for God's mercy and understanding. I am convinced that He understands the situation even though its against His teachings. He is the one that will decide in the afterlife if what she did was understandable considering everything what happend in her life or that she deserves damnation. God's love is great and I am certain that he WILL forgive sinners who sin becuase of certain reasons (like people who commit suicide, it is wrong, but i believe he wouldn't sent them to damnation).
Not every person is as strong as another. Some people are stronger then others and not everyone is capable of resisting or recognizing sin and act accordingly (my tolerance for sinners is an example and i hope i will be forgiven for this). God created us. He knows what's in our hearts. Including those who do not believe. We do not know what's in other peoples hearts and made them the way they are. A murderer may just be a victim too becuase of events in his life/childhood that made him traumatized and unstable in later life (of course i'm not calling for tolerance towards murderers..but i hope this example makes me a bit clearer). Becuase of this i think a secular government can be more sympatique then us and treat others with the respect they deserve (every human deserves to be treated like a human...and i think even those who have murdered).
To just make it clear im a Christian Humanist and Social Liberal from Europe. I am for things that a lot of the Right-wing politicians and for example the Vatican are against. Against the Death penalty, for euthanasia in extreme cases (someone who has cancer and cant be cured anymore should be able to die peacefully without pain if they choose for this..i think letting them suffer till their end is....wrong), i think abortion should also be an option in some cases (for convenience is NOT one of these cases though).
I came to these forums becuase i follow american politics too (as do a lot of people from europe). I am very much for the democrats and against the republicans for many reasons (human rights issues, war, international trade, kyoto). Judging from these forums a lot of the members are Right-wing Christians who think Left-wings Christians are wrong. I would really like to discuss these things here and to be flat-out honest, I was hoping to convince people or at least wanted them to understand the views of us on subjects we do not agree on to explain why we want things to be a certain way. Why the world may not be getting worse but better....
I hope I made a little sense? 
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 7/2/2008 10:18:32 AM
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I should correct that. I do not know everyone who posts here and apologize in advance for my gross generalization of everyone here opposing left-wing politics as a rule. I'm only human and by just seeing letters you are prone to misunderstanding more easily.....
Sorry for that.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 7/2/2008 1:09:13 PM
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Amtaev,
IN trying to stick to the OP and, at the same time addressing your post, are there any moral absolutes with the position you have chosen? According to God's word, sexual relationships outside God's design are prohibited. The winds of the culture change with our emotions, God does not change. Accepting a lifestyle we know God doesn't approve of is a means of taking the easy road, a means of appeasing those we disagree with. Nothing good is ever gained by taking the easy road.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 7/2/2008 1:24:04 PM
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I should correct that. I do not know everyone who posts here and apologize in advance for my gross generalization of everyone here opposing left-wing politics as a rule. I'm only human and by just seeing letters you are prone to misunderstanding more easily.....
Sorry for that.
Most, if not all here are against homosexuality, as in having sex with the same gender. I'm one who sees a biological basis for same-sex attraction, thus (for me) a homosexual relationship can arise from the fact that people's bodies and true gender biologically do not match. That's not to say that going ahead with a homosexual relationship is right, but to me, same-sex attraction is sometimes founded, not a "choice," and not always that person's fault. I suggest that if you want to find Christians who are more of your own mindset about it, seek out another forum to discuss/debate. I don't think here is the best place.
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RE: Homosexuality - One Stop Thread - 7/2/2008 2:24:55 PM
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I should correct that. I do not know everyone who posts here and apologize in advance for my gross generalization of everyone here opposing left-wing politics as a rule. I'm only human and by just seeing letters you are prone to misunderstanding more easily.....
Sorry for that.
First of all, I believe it is very vital that in any moral discussion we first eliminate politics from the equation. If we are to discuss moral issues such as homosexuality as Christians we need to address the issue holistically (mind, body, and spirit), and avoid generalities as if all cases are to be looked at, aside from the influence of sin, being the same in all areas and views.
One of the biggest problems we have in America is our tendency to politicize every issue we can think of. By politizing issues we turn discussions of issues into us versus them arguements and move entirely away from discussing the issues We put the blame and responsibility on someone else instead of ourselves and each other.
I do not believe this subject has been exhausted. If anything we seem to get tired of going over the same arguements time and time again. Within the Christian community there is a wide range of views on how we Christians should, or should not respond to moral, and personal (individualistic) issues (homosexuality being the subject of this thread).
Many Christians have taken very firm stands for or against homosexuality that seem to be dependent more on their interpretation of the Bible, as well as cultural and historical influences than the Bible itself. Perhaps we need to discuss and examine these areas of the issue more than advocating for or against those who deal with the issue.
We are all sinners. I would venture to say that for many of us, our sins have more to do with our sexuality (perceptions of gender, identity, intimacy, relatinships, and sex) than we are willing to admit, to one degree or another. Perhaps these are other angles from which we should be discussing the issue.
How, according to the Bible-God's word- are each of us to fill our need for oneness with God, ourselves as well as with someone in a a sinful word with all of its conflicting messages?
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