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Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/18/2008 2:19:16 PM
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HansC
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I did come across an very intersting site, can you believe this:
Messiah of a New America
I put this link in the OP because I founf this site fascinating and didn't want it to get over looked. Is this taking a cultish turn?
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/18/2008 5:21:23 PM
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I noticed that, when people were waiting in long lines to hear him speak, and IMHO, really saying nothing, with substance. people cheering loudly. I thought he is like a rock star. It is really creepy.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/18/2008 5:30:20 PM
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"We have lost the understanding that in a democracy, we have a mutual obligation to one another — that we cannot measure the greatness of our society by the strongest and richest of us, but we have to measure our greatness by the least of these. That we have to compromise and sacrifice for one another in order to get things done. That is why I am here, because Barack Obama is the ONLY person in this who understands that. That before we can work on the problems, we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation."
Michelle Obama Speech
A little bit of wisdom - when someone tells you that their man running for office can 'fix your soul', then it's time to look for the nearest exit and avoid any kool-aid along the way.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/18/2008 5:33:15 PM
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lightshineon
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Wow how scary is that?
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"We have lost the understanding that in a democracy, we have a mutual obligation to one another — that we cannot measure the greatness of our society by the strongest and richest of us, but we have to measure our greatness by the least of these. That we have to compromise and sacrifice for one another in order to get things done. That is why I am here, because Barack Obama is the ONLY person in this who understands that. That before we can work on the problems, we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation."
Michelle Obama Speech
A little bit of wisdom - when someone tells you that their man running for office can 'fix your soul', then it's time to look for the nearest exit and avoid any kool-aid along the way.
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Remember, whenever you have pearls, there are always plenty of pigs nearby who would be glad to step on them.
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Be sure you vote for those, whose views you want your children to emulate.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/18/2008 5:44:41 PM
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She said "WE have to fix OUR souls." Not that Obama would fix them. And just about any evangelical would agree that our souls are broken in this nation, if somebody else had said it.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/18/2008 5:58:26 PM
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{quote].....when someone tells you that their man running for office can 'fix your soul' [/quote]
...except that is not what she said. "...because Barack Obama is the only person in this who understands that."
Now I suppose we could debate whether Hillary Clinton understands that point too :)
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/18/2008 6:13:22 PM
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"We have lost the understanding that in a democracy, we have a mutual obligation to one another — that we cannot measure the greatness of our society by the strongest and richest of us, but we have to measure our greatness by the least of these. That we have to compromise and sacrifice for one another in order to get things done. That is why I am here, because Barack Obama is the ONLY person in this who understands that. That before we can work on the problems, we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation."
Michelle Obama Speech
A little bit of wisdom - when someone tells you that their man running for office can 'fix your soul', then it's time to look for the nearest exit and avoid any kool-aid along the way.
Some of that is a cultural influence specific to him. W has the "cowboy" style, McCain has the "general" style, etc. It seems we have this need to demonize anyone with a different idea.
Of course, when I do it, it's accurate. 
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/18/2008 6:16:45 PM
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ORIGINAL: Jhud
"We have lost the understanding that in a democracy, we have a mutual obligation to one another — that we cannot measure the greatness of our society by the strongest and richest of us, but we have to measure our greatness by the least of these. That we have to compromise and sacrifice for one another in order to get things done. That is why I am here, because Barack Obama is the ONLY person in this who understands that. That before we can work on the problems, we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation."
Michelle Obama Speech
A little bit of wisdom - when someone tells you that their man running for office can 'fix your soul', then it's time to look for the nearest exit and avoid any kool-aid along the way.
And run 
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/18/2008 7:04:32 PM
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Jhud
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Some of that is a cultural influence specific to him. W has the "cowboy" style, McCain has the "general" style, etc. It seems we have this need to demonize anyone with a different idea.
Of course, when I do it, it's accurate.
So you are saying Obama has a Messianic style?
I guess the difference for me is that I think Bush could actually be a cowboy, and McCain could actually be a general, but I am doubtful about Obama's abilities in the Messiah dept.
Of course, I doubt that for any politician.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/18/2008 8:51:24 PM
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lightshineon
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I wonder if he has a 666 Rubber stamp for hands and foreheads ready? He is not touching my soul, thank you very much.
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Some of that is a cultural influence specific to him. W has the "cowboy" style, McCain has the "general" style, etc. It seems we have this need to demonize anyone with a different idea.
Of course, when I do it, it's accurate.
So you are saying Obama has a Messianic style?
I guess the difference for me is that I think Bush could actually be a cowboy, and McCain could actually be a general, but I am doubtful about Obama's abilities in the Messiah dept.
Of course, I doubt that for any politician.
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Be sure you vote for those, whose views you want your children to emulate.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/19/2008 3:47:21 AM
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She said "WE have to fix OUR souls." Not that Obama would fix them. And just about any evangelical would agree that our souls are broken in this nation, if somebody else had said it.
Just wanted to quote you because I thnk we were the only people that read the correct message. We have to fix Our Souls. Now, I am confused if that is possible. I have just given alot of stuff over to God. But, fixing the problems here in American by being available to do good works helping to lift the down trodden....? I am all for that. And I am sure that will help lift the spirits of the people who are struggling.
Man. People will read only what they want to see.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/19/2008 3:53:44 AM
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RightlyDividingWordOfTruth
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OP,
I think alot of people in this country need to get saved. GET SAVED! I believe they have lost hope. They are down and out and haven't turned to Jesus like they should have a long time ago so they stay in this horrible disposition.
They see a MAN. They SEE a MAN. Offering them hope for a better life and change. And they latch on to it like wild fire. These are the people who need to get saved so they act kind of crazy. Now, I don't believe OBAMA is a cult leader, but I do believe the people are acting kind of crazy, but not necessarily cultish. Only because they have not received their true delieverer.
I as a believer in Christ Jesus...see Obama's future presidency as a great opportunity for sacrifice for the good of others and I am happy to see someone come on the scene looking to do better things. I as a believe know that it doesn't matter who is in charge in the white house, but that Jesus Christ/God is in charge always according to Proverbs 21. So I am not falling over myself like the great hope has come to save me from my horrible situation. I have already been saved and rejoice daily. Can I get an Amen? Amen.
< Message edited by RightlyDividingWordOfTruth -- 2/19/2008 10:11:09 AM >
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/19/2008 8:11:01 AM
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lightshineon
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Has anyone linked to the site. Creepy.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/19/2008 10:03:32 AM
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cow451
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Has anyone linked to the site. Creepy.
I've checked it. It's no less creepy the Focus on the Family.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/19/2008 2:34:28 PM
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SteveSund
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I think that site is either meant as a joke or to make Obama look bad. There is certainly a cult of personality built up to some of his supporters, but this occurs a fair amount in politics. I remember the same thing with Reagan.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/19/2008 3:01:36 PM
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Jhud
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I think that site is either meant as a joke or to make Obama look bad. There is certainly a cult of personality built up to some of his supporters, but this occurs a fair amount in politics. I remember the same thing with Reagan.
I don't remember this exuberance over Reagan - to my recollection people didn't faint at Reagan rallies.
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William F. Buckley Jr. 1925-2008
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/19/2008 3:11:50 PM
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I don't remember this exuberance over Reagan - to my recollection people didn't faint at Reagan rallies. If they had then perhaps we would not have had Bedtime for Bonzo. 
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/19/2008 3:22:06 PM
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I think that site is either meant as a joke or to make Obama look bad. There is certainly a cult of personality built up to some of his supporters, but this occurs a fair amount in politics. I remember the same thing with Reagan.
I don't remember this exuberance over Reagan - to my recollection people didn't faint at Reagan rallies.
But some of his groupies had to reset their pacemakers.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/20/2008 7:49:18 PM
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- to my recollection people didn't faint at Reagan rallies.
I almost did, at his Sacramento Rally
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/21/2008 1:25:37 AM
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HansC
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While I do not agree with all this article says, I still found it interesting.
The Audacity of Selling Hope
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, February 15, 2008; A21
There's no better path to success than getting people to buy a free commodity. Like the genius who figured out how to get people to pay for
water: bottle it (Aquafina was revealed to be nothing more than reprocessed tap water) and charge more than they pay for gasoline. Or consider how Google found a way to sell dictionary nouns-- boat, shoe, clock -- by charging advertisers zillions to be listed whenever the word is searched.
And now, in the most amazing trick of all, a silver-tongued freshman senator has found a way to sell hope. To get it, you need only give him your vote.
Barack Obama is getting millions.
This kind of sale is hardly new. Organized religion has been offering a similar commodity -- salvation -- for millennia. Which is why the Obama campaign has the feel of a religious revival with, as writer James Wolcott observed, a "salvational fervor" and "idealistic zeal divorced from any particular policy or cause and chariot-driven by pure euphoria."
"We are the hope of the future," sayeth Obama. We can "remake this world as it should be." Believe in me and I shall redeem not just you but your country -- nay, we can become "a hymn that will heal this nation, repair this world, and make this time different than all the rest."
And believe they do. After eight straight victories -- and two more (Hawaii and Wisconsin) almost certain to follow -- Obama is near to rendering moot all the post-Super Tuesday fretting about a deadlocked convention with unelected superdelegates deciding the nominee. Unless Hillary Clinton can somehow do in Ohio and Texas on March 4 what Rudy Giuliani proved is almost impossible to do -- maintain a big-state firewall after an unrelenting string of smaller defeats -- the superdelegates will flock to Obama. Hope will have carried the day.
Interestingly, Obama has been able to win these electoral victories and dazzle crowds in one new jurisdiction after another, even as his mesmeric power has begun to arouse skepticism and misgivings among the mainstream media.
ABC's Jake Tapper notes the "Helter-Skelter cult-ish qualities" of "Obama worshipers," what Joel Stein of the Los Angeles Times calls "the Cult of Obama." Obama's Super Tuesday victory speech was a classic of the genre. Its effect was electric, eliciting a rhythmic fervor in the audience -- to such rhetorical nonsense as "We are the ones we've been waiting for. (Cheers, applause.) We are the change that we seek."
That was too much for Time's Joe Klein. "There was something just a wee bit creepy about the mass messianism," he wrote. "The message is becoming dangerously self-referential. The Obama campaign all too often is about how wonderful the Obama campaign is."
You might dismiss as hyperbole the complaint by the New York Times's Paul Krugman that "the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality." Until you hear Chris Matthews, who no longer has the excuse of youth, react to Obama's Potomac primary victory speech with "My, I felt this thrill going up my leg." When his MSNBC co-hosts tried to bail him out, he refused to recant. Not surprising for an acolyte who said that Obama "comes along, and he seems to have the answers. This is the New Testament."
I've seen only one similar national swoon. As a teenager growing up in Canada, I witnessed a charismatic law professor go from obscurity to justice minister to prime minister, carried on a wave of what was called Trudeaumania.
But even there the object of his countrymen's unrestrained affections was no blank slate. Pierre Trudeau was already a serious intellectual who had written and thought and lectured long about the nature and future of his country.
Obama has an astonishingly empty paper trail. He's going around issuing promissory notes on the future that he can't possibly redeem. Promises to heal the world with negotiations with the likes of Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Promises to transcend the conundrums of entitlement reform that require real and painful trade-offs and that have eluded solution for a generation. Promises to fund his other promises by a rapid withdrawal from an unpopular war -- with the hope, I suppose, that the (presumed) resulting increase in American prestige would compensate for the chaos to follow.
Democrats are worried that the Obama spell will break between the time of his nomination and the time of the election, and deny them the White House.
My guess is that he can maintain the spell just past Inauguration Day. After which will come the awakening. It will be rude.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/21/2008 7:05:41 AM
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SteveSund
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quote:
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I think that site is either meant as a joke or to make Obama look bad. There is certainly a cult of personality built up to some of his supporters, but this occurs a fair amount in politics. I remember the same thing with Reagan.
I don't remember this exuberance over Reagan - to my recollection people didn't faint at Reagan rallies.
I talked to someone that was at Obama's rally in Wisconsin and he said the speech had much of the same inspiring quality that Reagan's morning in America speech that he attended back in that election. I wasn't at any of the speeches, but I certainly remember a great deal of exuberance and excitement over Reagan. Even when I watch parts of his speeches now, I am amazed at what a great speaker he was.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 2/21/2008 7:40:58 AM
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IMHO, I think Republicans are scared if Obama is the democratic nominee for the bid for president - because he is so articulate; young; his 'Change' theme is very credible. Republicans have to, then, find some way to demonize Obama, and it looks like they have. From cult conspiracies to making a play on one of his names...in other words, tactics that quite plainly lack any sort of class, substance, credibility. Really - it is so transparent, it's actually amusing.
Peace and God bless,
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