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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/1/2008 12:03:50 PM
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It's something that Clinton and McCain wish they had as candidates.
A cult-like following?
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/1/2008 1:57:18 PM
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OH, he does, down right stupid. Next people will be bowing down. I hate the news, it is the Barrack Obama praise -a-thon show. (GAG). Though he being our new hope, the one who will change things, and we will all lay down with the lion and lambs, it gets a way much............. Oh, I may swoon  somebody catch me quick. (thud heard in the distance) 
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/1/2008 3:18:45 PM
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Well yes, humility is a virtue. Would you feel better if he doesn't? Does it not make you feel all funny inside? People worshipping a mere mortal? 
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OH, he does, down right stupid. Next people will be bowing down. I hate the news, it is the Barrack Obama praise -a-thon show. (GAG). Though he being our new hope, the one who will change things, and we will all lay dwon with the lion and lambs, it gets a way much. Oh, I may swoon somebody catch me quick. (thud heard in the distance)
Would you feel better if he would reject and/or denounce all his swooning fans?
- Julius
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/1/2008 4:11:01 PM
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Is it your hatered toward me you are writing about? Pease do not allude to this again or I will report you. You have no right to lable me a hate monger, or question my salvation, or personally attack me. That is against TOS. Do you understand me?
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Interesting how the hateraid is alive and well.
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OH, he does, down right stupid. Next people will be bowing down. I hate the news, it is the Barrack Obama praise -a-thon show. (GAG). Though he being our new hope, the one who will change things, and we will all lay dwon with the lion and lambs, it gets a way much. Oh, I may swoon somebody catch me quick. (thud heard in the distance)
Would you feel better if he would reject and/or denounce all his swooning fans?
- Julius
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/1/2008 5:45:26 PM
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I agree. Amen, and Amen. Creepy, "chant along and raise you hands to him" is what some good-looking chick says. If this does not disturb people, there is no hope. I am talking fellow believers. Notice all the pretty people? Let us sing our praise to the Lord. yes this is an BO endorsement. Thank you for that.
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Yes, Obama has a cult like following.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/02/29/video-time-for-some-more-musical-obama-hagiography-from-william/
Yikes. I wish people would praise and worship God (that is, the Bible one) with the same heart felt dedication and fervor. Then, there would be no stopping His church.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/1/2008 6:02:42 PM
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I agree. Amen, and Amen. Creepy, "chant along and raise you hands to him" is what some good-looking chick says. If this does not disturb people, in so many different ways, then there is no hope. I am talking fellow believers. yes this is an BO endorsement. Thank you for this link.. issupport for my thread in endtimes. i want to see BO supporters justify this. I am really serious. i will give a head start a catchy little diddy, and goodlooking folks.
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Yes, Obama has a cult like following.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/02/29/video-time-for-some-more-musical-obama-hagiography-from-william/
Yikes. I wish people would praise and worship God (that is, the Bible one) with the same heart felt dedication and fervor. Then, there would be no stopping His church.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/2/2008 12:33:53 PM
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Oh come on, it's just a video! Lightshineon, Macy Gray says..."Lift your hands and say." It's part of hip hop culture...remember "Raise your hands in the air, and wave 'em like you just don't care"? It has nothing to do with worshipping anyone. Just part of hip hop culture, the person with the mic's job is to get you into the song, that's usually through physical participation. If you look at modern praise & worship and compare it to hip hop, there's not much difference. The worship leader's job is to get you as connected to God as possible. In hip hop, they have a hype man...his job is to get you as connected to the music as possible. But the keen difference is that the worship leader is trying to get you to worship, and the hype man is trying to get you to just have a good time.
I'm sure this has been mentioned, but I haven't seen someone explain this outside of the "Obama is Heaven's Gate 2008" mentality. The video that was being passed around of Obama blowing his nose...was blown out of proportion. I remember many times in my life when the pastor of a church would have a cold and have to interrupt his preaching to blow his nose, usually leading to laughter in the church. Or if he accidentally says a cuss word instead of the appropriate word from scripture...all laughter, sometimes even clapping. It's the same with Obama blowing his nose. It wasn't that the crowd was thinking, "No way! Obama blows his nose! I blow my nose too! He's so amazing!" It was more of, "That's kind of funny that he had to interrupt his speech to blow his nose." I don't know. A lot of these Obama freak-outs can be explained with a moment of rational thought.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/2/2008 1:01:31 PM
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From reading some of these posts, I'm beginning to think that some people are trying hard to convince themselves not to support Obama. It's like they're inventing reasons - supernatural reasons, "message from God" reasons, "bad feeling about this" reasons, "makes me feel creepy" reasons, and in reality, none of this is even necessary. If you don't want to vote for him, fine, you don't have to give anybody any reason and you certainly aren't obliged to justify your reasons. I've stated that at this time, I'm not voting for McCain, Obama, or Clinton because I have issues with them. Now there are people who will want to press me to get me to list what issues I have and then proceed to convince me I'm a moron and these are illegitimate issues, and I should vote for X, Y, or Z, but I'm not biting. In fact, I think a large portion of the voting populace can't give any of you what you would consider a legit reason for supporting the candidate you oppose. This kinda reminds me of some pastors of dead little churches that won't grow, claiming the reason they're small is because they preach the truth and the preacher down the street with the big alive church is leading a cult.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/2/2008 2:42:44 PM
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Julius my eighteen was year old, and 21 year old DD's thought it was creepy. I do not have to convince myself not to vote for him, and it sounds like you are trying hard to convience yourself he is a-ok man . You know,do you think you are the only one with some great, sophisticated emlightment? Wake up, and see the truth. I am not rasing my hands to anyone but God himself, or bowing down. I have no favorite canidate, and something is wrong if you think that creepy chant is just fine and dandy. I say this in love, but get a grip here. We are like minded on one thing none gets my vote either. By the way Macy sings raise your hands and sing, then Obahma is chanted over, and over. I raise my hands in p&W, and this did not seem so far apart as worship goes. Christian and alot of secular can sound the same, but I do not raise my hands to secular music, unless a thought about the Lord. I really wish a black man would win, with all my heart, just not him.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/2/2008 10:12:16 PM
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Julius my eighteen was year old, and 21 year old DD's thought it was creepy. I do not have to convince myself not to vote for him, and it sounds like you are trying hard to convience yourself he is a-ok man . You know,do you think you are the only one with some great, sophisticated emlightment? Wake up, and see the truth. I am not rasing my hands to anyone but God himself, or bowing down. I have no favorite canidate, and something is wrong if you think that creepy chant is just fine and dandy. I say this in love, but get a grip here. We are like minded on one thing none gets my vote either. By the way Macy sings raise your hands and sing, then Obahma is chanted over, and over. I raise my hands in p&W, and this did not seem so far apart as worship goes. Christian and alot of secular can sound the same, but I do not raise my hands to secular music, unless a thought about the Lord. I really wish a black man would win, with all my heart, just not him.
Whatever.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/2/2008 10:36:06 PM
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whatever I am right? 
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Julius my eighteen was year old, and 21 year old DD's thought it was creepy. I do not have to convince myself not to vote for him, and it sounds like you are trying hard to convience yourself he is a-ok man . You know,do you think you are the only one with some great, sophisticated emlightment? Wake up, and see the truth. I am not rasing my hands to anyone but God himself, or bowing down. I have no favorite canidate, and something is wrong if you think that creepy chant is just fine and dandy. I say this in love, but get a grip here. We are like minded on one thing none gets my vote either. By the way Macy sings raise your hands and sing, then Obahma is chanted over, and over. I raise my hands in p&W, and this did not seem so far apart as worship goes. Christian and alot of secular can sound the same, but I do not raise my hands to secular music, unless a thought about the Lord. I really wish a black man would win, with all my heart, just not him.
Whatever.
-Julius
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/2/2008 10:38:20 PM
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Well in Revelation an Angel told John, to worship God only, he was only a fellow servent. so a big yes to that question.
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OH, he does, down right stupid. Next people will be bowing down. I hate the news, it is the Barrack Obama praise -a-thon show. (GAG). Though he being our new hope, the one who will change things, and we will all lay dwon with the lion and lambs, it gets a way much. Oh, I may swoon somebody catch me quick. (thud heard in the distance)
Would you feel better if he would reject and/or denounce all his swooning fans?
- Julius
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Remember, whenever you have pearls, there are always plenty of pigs nearby who would be glad to step on them.
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Be sure you vote for those, whose views you want your children to emulate.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/2/2008 10:45:12 PM
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I wish people would praise and worship God (that is, the Bible one) with the same heart felt dedication and fervor. Then, there would be no stopping His church.
...and of course one could make the same statement for any venue in which people get excited and emotional.
Sporting events, rock concerts, etc
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/2/2008 10:51:18 PM
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Yeah, but ol, man hiltler, Jim Jones and other too numerous to mention stired this fervor. Hearod was eaten by worms, when the people shouted he sounds like a God not man, remember that?I really do not think the Lord appproves of this sort of thing, according to the word.
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I wish people would praise and worship God (that is, the Bible one) with the same heart felt dedication and fervor. Then, there would be no stopping His church.
...and of course one could make the same statement for any venue in which people get excited and emotional.
Sporting events, rock concerts, etc
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/2/2008 11:12:31 PM
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Yeah, but ol, man hiltler, Jim Jones and other too numerous to mention stired this fervor. Hearod was eaten by worms, when the people shouted he sounds like a God not man, remember that?I really do not think the Lord appproves of this sort of thing, according to the word.
Fervor?
Were the fervent supporters of Ronald Regan's "City on a Hill" campaign guilty of this "fervor" as well. Obama isn't the first politician to touch and inspire people.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/3/2008 7:37:03 AM
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Yeah, but ol, man hiltler, Jim Jones and other too numerous to mention stired this fervor. Hearod was eaten by worms, when the people shouted he sounds like a God not man, remember that?I really do not think the Lord appproves of this sort of thing, according to the word.
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I wish people would praise and worship God (that is, the Bible one) with the same heart felt dedication and fervor. Then, there would be no stopping His church.
...and of course one could make the same statement for any venue in which people get excited and emotional.
Sporting events, rock concerts, etc
What does the Lord not approve of here, lightshineon? Obama, or his supporters? Please clarify and please clarify exactly why you don't think the Lord approves of them.
By the way, I know plenty of Obama supporters that do NOT 'chant along and raise their hands' when they listen to him. I have seen plenty of footage on tv where the people do not 'chant along and raise their hands'.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/3/2008 7:41:07 AM
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And I agree whole-heartedly with it, and would gladly have my taxes raised for it
Sorry, but I believe, that when you find yourself in a hole, the first step is to stop diggin'
Thanks, its_GO_time, for not including in your quote of me, that I would gladly have my taxes raised so that elderly people on fixed incomes below $50,000 a year or less would NOT have to pay taxes - thank you - that was so classy of you. But, it's not surprising...
Anyway, the current government would rather give tax cuts to big oil vs people that have graced us with their presence for so long, and whom can't afford to buy proper healthcare...
I respect my elders and am proud of it.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/3/2008 11:23:23 AM
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Thanks, its_GO_time, for not including in your quote of me, that I would gladly have my taxes raised so that elderly people on fixed incomes below $50,000 a year or less would NOT have to pay taxes - thank you - that was so classy of you. But, it's not surprising...
To me, the scary part was, the fact that anyone would volunteer to have the Federal Government take more of their money to pay pennies on the dollar to any cause, whether I think it's a worthy one or not is not the issue with me. P.J. O'Roarke put it so well: "Giving money, and power to the Government, is like giving whiskey, and car keys to teenage boys"
An old dead guy, no one pays any attention to(George Washington) also said "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! It is a dangerous servant and a terrible master."
So, I don't care if they promise gold ingots on seniors' doorsteps, they won't get more money from me, without a fight. I haven't taken the blue pill yet.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/3/2008 11:37:27 AM
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And I agree whole-heartedly with it, and would gladly have my taxes raised for it
Sorry, but I believe, that when you find yourself in a hole, the first step is to stop diggin'
Thanks, its_GO_time, for not including in your quote of me, that I would gladly have my taxes raised so that elderly people on fixed incomes below $50,000 a year or less would NOT have to pay taxes - thank you - that was so classy of you. But, it's not surprising...
Anyway, the current government would rather give tax cuts to big oil vs people that have graced us with their presence for so long, and whom can't afford to buy proper healthcare...
I respect my elders and am proud of it.
Peace and God bless,
The problem with your philosophy is that you would gladly have other people's taxes raised. Pocket picking is not a virtue, no matter what you do with what you've taken.
Your vision of the current government is myopic. GWB created the largest government program for seniors since Medicare.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/3/2008 2:20:18 PM
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lIZ, I am going to tell you my problem with the video, and then I am going to drop this whole thing.ok? First is brilliant, BO gets an "A" for that. My problem is words change from ONE to Hope.Things like that just plain weird.Not m hope, he can give hope to no one, it is not in his power. The other thing is they have beautiful, young people talking about with Obama they will have a world with, peace and with out fear, and Macy Gray doing seductive shoulder and mouth movements. They all talk about change. Obama can change nothing, If he does what, and will it be for our good? Then raise your hands and sing Obama was over the top . THe song could have been lets put our hands togather, and sing obama. I am not lifting my hands to a mortal.
Chanting is mind control, cult thiing firs off, studies prove it. It is a very catchy song I would rather we chanted " Jesus" and lets lift our hands and sing. Again excellent stratagey, but cultish and creepy. He blew his nose and people cheered ( nuts, fruitcakes), the are seeing him as god-like fiqure. I do not remember the Ronald Regan thing. Did they have a Ronald chant song?
That is my take, the Bible will back me up in post above, I cited instances. I tried to look at this with an open mind and prayer, I did. Thinking maybe it could be just a brilliant campaign ploy. ( I will give it that in fairness), but I will also say super creepy, and lots of people are given false hope through this man. That is all I haveto say about this. Blessing. Sorry about spelling errors keys are stuck, on this laptop.
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/3/2008 7:45:36 PM
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And I agree whole-heartedly with it, and would gladly have my taxes raised for it
Sorry, but I believe, that when you find yourself in a hole, the first step is to stop diggin'
Thanks, its_GO_time, for not including in your quote of me, that I would gladly have my taxes raised so that elderly people on fixed incomes below $50,000 a year or less would NOT have to pay taxes - thank you - that was so classy of you. But, it's not surprising...
Anyway, the current government would rather give tax cuts to big oil vs people that have graced us with their presence for so long, and whom can't afford to buy proper healthcare...
I respect my elders and am proud of it.
Peace and God bless,
The problem with your philosophy is that you would gladly have other people's taxes raised. Pocket picking is not a virtue, no matter what you do with what you've taken.
Your vision of the current government is myopic. GWB created the largest government program for seniors since Medicare.
ljmac,
Do not put words into my mouth - it's lame.
I would gladly sponsor to have my OWN taxes raised to help others - I don't care about raising other people's taxes.
I think it would be great if there was a way on my income tax sheet to give any tax return that I am getting back to people that need it for healthcare and/or seniors on fixed incomes. Actually, I have tried looking for a way online, but am going to ask my acocuntant if there is any way to do this. And taking this further, I wish there were a way so that I could to allocate more money to a fund for people in need - you know, where I could VOLUNTEER more of my money - not anyone else, only me (and any others that wanted to volunteer).
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Is the Obama campaign taking on a cult-like turn? - 3/3/2008 7:46:37 PM
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Thanks, its_GO_time, for not including in your quote of me, that I would gladly have my taxes raised so that elderly people on fixed incomes below $50,000 a year or less would NOT have to pay taxes - thank you - that was so classy of you. But, it's not surprising...
To me, the scary part was, the fact that anyone would volunteer to have the Federal Government take more of their money to pay pennies on the dollar to any cause, whether I think it's a worthy one or not is not the issue with me. P.J. O'Roarke put it so well: "Giving money, and power to the Government, is like giving whiskey, and car keys to teenage boys"
An old dead guy, no one pays any attention to(George Washington) also said "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! It is a dangerous servant and a terrible master."
So, I don't care if they promise gold ingots on seniors' doorsteps, they won't get more money from me, without a fight. I haven't taken the blue pill yet.
Good for you and good luck.
Peace and God bless,
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