|
Users viewing this topic:
none
|
|
Login  | |
|
RE: Smokers Have Rights Too!!! - 3/2/2008 2:04:44 PM
|
|
|
garsyt
Posts: 2254
Joined: 4/12/2005
From: the bottom of the laundry basket
Status: offline
|
Ah but as a parent I can control if my child is exposed to violent video games by not allowing them in my home. I can control what my children eat. BUT what I can't do is control the amount of cigarette smoke that wafts over from the bar should we choose to eat at say the local Applebee's that until the smoking ban in our area was inacted, even tho we always chose the non-smoking section, not to mention that in order to get to the restrooms we had to walk through that area.
We have also rediscovered bowling in the last year too! AND we love going to where we don't have to fight with the layers of smoke or the crowds on their few and far between "family nights" when they didn't allow smoking. Not that it mattered a whole lot because the smell would linger from the nights that smoking was allowed.
Blessings,
Garsy
_____________________________
My Blog: www.moredayslikethisplease.wordpress.com
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Smokers Have Rights Too!!! - 3/2/2008 2:08:32 PM
|
|
|
phosadaud
Posts: 9730
Joined: 9/19/2005
From: Washington State
Status: offline
|
What's sad is that this even has to be discussed. After seeing a wee baby have to get nebulizer treatments because mom and dad smoke, I discovered how awful addiction are. When you put your need for a cigarette (or whatever) above the basic living needs of your child, there is a SERIOUS problem.
I'm not saying that every parent who smokes is abusing their kids (many aren't), but as with anything, something taken to an extreme that does actual harm is abusive no matter which way you cut it. A swat on the behind when a kid runs out into traffic is not abuse, but beating their behind all day long is. Letting your child take a sip of wine to try it, is not abusive, but getting your child drunk is. Putting your kid in timeout for hitting their sister is not abusive, but locking them in the closet for days at a time is. Smoking outside away from your child (while not ideal) is not abusive but creating a house full of smoke and causing physical harm to your child because you care more about your cigarette than you do your child is abusive. That's the very definition OF abuse.
_____________________________
~Kristin~
42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Smokers Have Rights Too!!! - 3/2/2008 2:43:45 PM
|
|
|
zoebob
Posts: 8824
Joined: 4/13/2005
From: land of limbo
Status: online
|
We have a great bowling alley here. No smoking before 6 pm and no herbal cigarettes or cigars. Also they don't serve any beer. On NY eve they have late night bowling sessions where it's byob but only that 1 night a year. When we were in an adult league at night there were only 1-2 people that smoked.
_____________________________
L-R: DD1, Ellies DS2, DD2, Ellies DS1
L-R: Ellies DD1, Ellies DD2, DS, Ellies DS3
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Smokers Have Rights Too!!! - 3/2/2008 3:30:46 PM
|
|
|
garsyt
Posts: 2254
Joined: 4/12/2005
From: the bottom of the laundry basket
Status: offline
|
I wish we had had at least one bowling alley within 20 miles that had more then 6 hours a week that were smoke free. Of course those 6 hours no matter where you went were so crowded that you usually ended up waiting anywhere from 45 minutes to an hour for a lane if not longer. Ah but now we can enjoy a game of bowling right next to the smoker that is enjoying his or her game of bowling without lighting up inside. So ALL can still enjoy using the bowling alley for the purpose for which it was created. The smoker just has to refrain from smoking for a short period of time or take a smoke break and go outside. If they were smoking inside - There would be many a people that would not be able to enjoy the facility at all.
Businesses don't like to rock the boat and it often takes law making at a local level to make them do anything - especially if there is peer pressure from similar businesses. If it even looks like another similar business is making more money by doing whatever - another business will try it. It's called competition.
Blessings,
Garsy
_____________________________
My Blog: www.moredayslikethisplease.wordpress.com
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Smokers Have Rights Too!!! - 3/2/2008 4:38:29 PM
|
|
|
rnershigh
Posts: 1372
Joined: 7/15/2005
From: somewhere over the rainbow
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: garsyt
I wish we had had at least one bowling alley within 20 miles that had more then 6 hours a week that were smoke free. Of course those 6 hours no matter where you went were so crowded that you usually ended up waiting anywhere from 45 minutes to an hour for a lane if not longer. Ah but now we can enjoy a game of bowling right next to the smoker that is enjoying his or her game of bowling without lighting up inside. So ALL can still enjoy using the bowling alley for the purpose for which it was created. The smoker just has to refrain from smoking for a short period of time or take a smoke break and go outside. If they were smoking inside - There would be many a people that would not be able to enjoy the facility at all.
Businesses don't like to rock the boat and it often takes law making at a local level to make them do anything - especially if there is peer pressure from similar businesses. If it even looks like another similar business is making more money by doing whatever - another business will try it. It's called competition.
Blessings,
Garsy
That's something I also never understood. Why smoking is so prevalent in bowling allies.  Another puzzling thing to me is why businesses think they'd lose so much money if they don't allow smoking. There are more non-smokers than smokers so with smoking bans in place, they wouldn't lose money as more people would come out and frequent establishments that used to be havens for smokers.
_____________________________
O Grave! where is thy Victory?
O Death! where is thy Sting?
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Smokers Have Rights Too!!! - 3/2/2008 6:02:12 PM
|
|
|
everythingat
Posts: 215
Joined: 2/21/2008
Status: offline
|
That's the problem, rnershigh...situations are different. I once worked at a gas station, and here...we sold more cigarettes than we did gas. Er, maybe I should say...made more of a profit on cigarettes than gas. Well, both of those apply. So, in my area..it's more profitable for the businesses to allow smoking. But there are many places that don't allow smoking. So, there's a place for everyone to go here.
I think what attracts smokers to bowling alleys is the beer. When you drink, you want to smoke more cigarettes than you normally would.
phosadaud, I definitely wasn't bringing up parents smoking around their kids to justify it. I think it's terrible for parents to smoke around their children. Addictions are awful. In any form. What's interesting to me is the lack of concern for quitting smoking. I'm not talking about on this forum, I'm talking about in the world at large. There's so much anti-smoking media, but so little support for quitting. Yes, we have the patches and the nicotine gum, etc. But has anyone tried that stuff? Not very effective. Especially since it's more than a nicotine addiction...it randomly brought to my mind an episode of Friends. Chandler started smoking again, and when he took the first drag, he said.."So this is what was missing from my hand." Breaking the habit is probably more difficult than the addiction itself. Being so irritable, and every little thing in your life seems like a disaster when you're going through the stages of quitting.
I smoke. I have schizophrenia, which is how I started smoking. I found it was the one of the only things to keep me grounded in reality. I like going to restaurants that allow smoking, because it's difficult for me to be in public without having a mental breakdown. When I'm in a restaurant, I'm incredibly uncomfortable, smoking takes my mind from that. It's not necessarily the cigarettes that are calming me, it's all of my thoughts being focused on them instead of the people around me. Makes eating a much more pleasant experience. Of course, I always ask anyone who goes to lunch/dinner with me if it's alright if we sit in the smoking section. They say yes. It's apparently their choice to breathe in my smoke, I guess they're willing to give up some of their future to be in my company. How special do you think that makes me feel? 
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Smokers Have Rights Too!!! - 3/2/2008 7:45:20 PM
|
|
|
stamper_ben
Posts: 10848
Joined: 4/11/2005
From: Lone Star State
Status: offline
|
quote:
We have also rediscovered bowling in the last year too! AND we love going to where we don't have to fight with the layers of smoke or the crowds on their few and far between "family nights" when they didn't allow smoking. Not that it mattered a whole lot because the smell would linger from the nights that smoking was allowed. Oh. Is this now the truth coming out? That we just don't like the SMELL?
Well, I don't like the smell of diesel exhaust. Can we get a government ban on that too? I don't like the smell of septic systems after a heavy rain, hows about we ban one or the other of them? Or the smell of oil refineries - lets ban them too. 
_____________________________
We will be known as His by the love we show one another.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Smokers Have Rights Too!!! - 3/2/2008 8:29:49 PM
|
|
|
Zhi
Posts: 1309
Joined: 7/31/2007
Status: online
|
quote:
Oh. Is this now the truth coming out? That we just don't like the SMELL?
Well, I don't like the smell of diesel exhaust. Can we get a government ban on that too? I don't like the smell of septic systems after a heavy rain, hows about we ban one or the other of them? Or the smell of oil refineries - lets ban them too.
Have you really missed or did you just ignore the many references to the harmful effects of second-hand smoke on all people, much less people who are allergic?
Incidentally, even long after there have been any smokers in an area, I still sometimes get hives from coming into contact with fabric impregnated with tobacco fumes. I avoid them by avoiding chairs and the like that smell of smoke. The smell is bothersome, but the hives really suck.
I was discussing this with my husband, who mentioned that one of his memories as a child was being put right behind the smoking section of an AMTRAK train. He says that the thing he doesn't understand is the fact that the smokers would come back and smoke there, and his (nonsmoking) mother would ask if they wanted to trade seats so that the smoker could be right by the smoking section and she and her children could be in a car that didn't have smoke fumes. Every single smoker declined. The reason? They "didn't like the smoke". Even though they were the SOURCE of it. And yet, these smokers still thought it proper to inflict fumes that they themselves couldn't stand being around on innocent bystanders.
That's the reason these bans were put into place... because so many smokers just have no concern for those around them. I remember when the smoking bans came into effect here in Colorado... it wasn't the government stepping in, it was people standing out in front of the grocery store with petitions to get smoking banned in restaurants and the like. I remember signing one. Most of these laws are petitions... it's democracy at its finest, the people coming up with legislation, moving it forward, and voting for it.
_____________________________
The optimist says the glass is half full. The pessimist says the glass is half empty. The engineer says the glass is twice as large as it needs to be.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Smokers Have Rights Too!!! - 3/2/2008 8:32:56 PM
|
|
|
bluestone
Posts: 2934
Joined: 2/25/2008
From: United States of America
Status: offline
|
the smell is just an added bonus, on top of the grand prize of chronic bronchitis.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Smokers Have Rights Too!!! - 3/2/2008 9:28:55 PM
|
|
|
OLEEguacamole
Posts: 1089
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: stamper_ben
quote:
We have also rediscovered bowling in the last year too! AND we love going to where we don't have to fight with the layers of smoke or the crowds on their few and far between "family nights" when they didn't allow smoking. Not that it mattered a whole lot because the smell would linger from the nights that smoking was allowed. Oh. Is this now the truth coming out? That we just don't like the SMELL?
Well, I don't like the smell of diesel exhaust. Can we get a government ban on that too? I don't like the smell of septic systems after a heavy rain, hows about we ban one or the other of them? Or the smell of oil refineries - lets ban them too.
i'm pretty sure there's a ban against burning deisel fuel, and having septic system smell inside public used buildings.
haven't heard any rumbles yet about smoking being banned in our country. there are just bans on where the harmful to the bystanders, addiction behavior can take place. this seems fair. their addiction, their inconvenience.
_____________________________
there's life in a pit.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Smokers Have Rights Too!!! - 3/3/2008 7:42:14 AM
|
|
|
JimboFletch
Posts: 6344
Joined: 4/11/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: everythingat
quote:
ORIGINAL: JimboFletch
quote:
ORIGINAL: everythingat
...The non-smokers were in the minority, and money was the root of what caused it to be overturned...
Where on earth do you live? Seriously. I sure don't want to visit someplace stuck in 1945.
That's a little rude.
No, it's a fair question. Why do you consider challenging a somewhat outlandish assertion to be rude?
Nationally, the percentage of smokers in the 21st century US is somewhere around 25-26%. The only time in history that I might guess there were pockets of people with smokers in the majority must have been after WW2. Even when I was in the military during the 70s, smokers weren't in the majority, though the percentage might have been greater than the general population.
So where do you live where that smokers make up the majority?
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Smokers Have Rights Too!!! - 3/3/2008 7:44:57 AM
|
|
|
JimboFletch
Posts: 6344
Joined: 4/11/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: DenimDiva
quote:
ORIGINAL: JimboFletch
quote:
ORIGINAL: everythingat
...The non-smokers were in the minority, and money was the root of what caused it to be overturned...
Where on earth do you live? Seriously. I sure don't want to visit someplace stuck in 1945.
Sounds like where I lived in Indiana. It also sounds like a lot of small towns.
That's very likely because the effect of even a small number of smokers gives the perception of being an overwhelming majority. It's the reason more and more people are finally standing up to the rude behavior of the few who dominate experiences anyplace numbers of people assemble.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Smokers Have Rights Too!!! - 3/3/2008 8:02:05 AM
|
|
|
JimboFletch
Posts: 6344
Joined: 4/11/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: everythingat
I smoke. I have schizophrenia, which is how I started smoking. I found it was the one of the only things to keep me grounded in reality. I like going to restaurants that allow smoking, because it's difficult for me to be in public without having a mental breakdown. When I'm in a restaurant, I'm incredibly uncomfortable, smoking takes my mind from that. It's not necessarily the cigarettes that are calming me, it's all of my thoughts being focused on them instead of the people around me. Makes eating a much more pleasant experience. Of course, I always ask anyone who goes to lunch/dinner with me if it's alright if we sit in the smoking section. They say yes. It's apparently their choice to breathe in my smoke, I guess they're willing to give up some of their future to be in my company. How special do you think that makes me feel?
A few things to consider:
1) Smoking in restaurants very likely make you the center of the thoughts of others, not necessarily pleasant thoughts. A very large part of enjoying food comes from our sense of smell. In fact, some "flavors" have no discernible taste, it's all smell. Smoking ruins eating for all but the smoker, who probably hasn't "tasted" a good meal in years.
2) I applaud your asking your party if they mind you smoking. What about everyone else in the building, including waiters and buss boys? If they are in the building, they are exposed to your smoke.
3) NRT. Very likely, the discomfort you feel is early stages of nicotine withdrawal. Those feelings can be reduced or eliminated by nicotine gum or other nicotine replacement. You get your fix and no one around you is exposed to the toxic brew coming from burning tobacco leaves while they eat. Who knows, using NRT might even start you on a journey to freedom from tobacco.
4) It just might be that a lot of the unpleasant feelings you have come from smoking. I used to have panic attacks in certain public situations to the point that I almost withdrew from many of them. After going through withdrawal and slowly learning to be free from the Nicotine Slave Master, I quit having any of those panic attacks. That prospect alone should make you consider regaining your freedom from tobacco.
Today is Day 551 free from the control of nicotine for me. It's Day 648 free from tobacco because of nicotine gum.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Smokers Have Rights Too!!! - 3/3/2008 11:31:35 AM
|
|
|
DenimDiva
Posts: 6265
Joined: 9/28/2007
From: CA
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: JimboFletch
quote:
ORIGINAL: DenimDiva
quote:
ORIGINAL: JimboFletch
quote:
ORIGINAL: everythingat
...The non-smokers were in the minority, and money was the root of what caused it to be overturned...
Where on earth do you live? Seriously. I sure don't want to visit someplace stuck in 1945.
Sounds like where I lived in Indiana. It also sounds like a lot of small towns.
That's very likely because the effect of even a small number of smokers gives the perception of being an overwhelming majority. It's the reason more and more people are finally standing up to the rude behavior of the few who dominate experiences anyplace numbers of people assemble.
I know the town I lived in had at least 50% smokers. With the exception of the grocery store and drs. office, all the businesses allowed smoking.
_____________________________
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Smokers Have Rights Too!!! - 3/3/2008 12:16:06 PM
|
|
|
JimboFletch
Posts: 6344
Joined: 4/11/2005
Status: offline
|
The grocers in my area went no-smoking quite a number of years before restaurants.
The hospitals also went non-smoking several years back. At first, smoking was allowed outside, but they all tended to congregate just outside entrances, making coming & going unpleasant. Then the hospital built add-on sunrooms where smokers could go without being exposed to the rain and the worst of the cold (which is seldom that extreme this far south).
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Smokers Have Rights Too!!! - 3/3/2008 12:44:56 PM
|
|
|
everythingat
Posts: 215
Joined: 2/21/2008
Status: offline
|
Edit- Not going to bother...all I'm going to say is you should know better before making assumptions about other people's lives and choices.
< Message edited by everythingat -- 3/3/2008 1:16:27 PM >
|
|
|
|
|
Forum Tools
Printable Version
Since the ban, for the first time in my life, I actually enjoy bowling!
