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RE: Smokers Have Rights Too!!! - 3/12/2008 4:46:51 PM
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peculiar_lady2
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I lived in Germany for a few years, and even though everyone over there smokes, they are nice and don't do it in rude ways (their whole culture is like that...they are not a rude people in general and do not put up with people being rude about anything). I never once saw someone smoking in an inappropriate place...and this is in a country that has "smoking stands" in the airport!!! I am not against smoking...if you want to kill yourself then that's your thing..
That's how it should be here in the states; and at one time it was!!
yes but the key there is that the German people are not rude about it. Americans are and have been for a long time...and that isn't going to change in general, so those of us that are tired of the rudeness are finally getting our way about it. We have been pushed around by the rudeness of this society for years...and had to deal with it...it's time to take the bull by the horns and show him where he can go...OUTSIDE...and AWAY FROM DOORS...that's where that mess belongs!!!
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but I want to BREATHE...and I want to be able to TALK (which I can't do if I am around smoke)...and I have that right!!!
However, there are those of us who also want to BREATHE...and to TALK --- which I can't do if I'm around many types of perfumed scented products: hair-spray, after-shave, cologne, some types of deodorants, scented candles, scented rug & room freshers, some furnisher cleaners & polishes. and etc. Scents people wear, and things used, in Public places daily, but you don't hear me complaining (only stating a fact) and or try to change the laws to prevent the use of these products just because I have a personal problem being around them.
I am not just allergic to cig smoke...I am allergic to perfumes, soaps (esp dove soap...I can't even walk down that isle at the store!!!), strong smells (except food). Yet I can avoid those a whole lot more easily then I can smoke from a cigarette. I can't walk through the mall stores usually (because of their perfume counters)...I have to avoid certain women at church who think half a bottle of spray stuff smells good to them.....I have to put up with a headache that is immediately there before I even realize that I have smelled something that has set me off....but those I can put up with more then anything else....why? because my allergic reaction to those things does not cause as many deaths a year as smoking does...because my smelling those things isn't possibly going to give me cancer in the future...because overall (except in the extreme case) those smells are "good" smells and people enjoy them...I don't but other people do. I don't know one person who stands in a smoke filled room, breathes in a deep breath of the second hand smoke, and loves the smell of it. People do enjoy breathing in the nice calming smells of candles, soaps, deodorants, perfumes, etc...things I can't do.....but those things aren't going to KILL them later because of it!!!
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My child's school has a policy for staff and teachers and anyone who works as a volunteer needs to keep the scents to a minimum.
my moms church has the policy now for nursery workers and volunteers...I had to talk to them about it when Jake was a baby because of him getting and keeping upper respiratory infections so easily...and they were glad to accommodate us in that area. They had never though about it before....but now they do and make it a point to tell volunteers to not wear those things when they have nursery duty.
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RE: Smokers have the right to pay a lot of money! - 4/11/2008 2:18:06 PM
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stellaluna
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Taxes on cigarettes in NY are about to go way up:
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New York state is raising its tax $1.25 to $2.75 a pack, the highest in the nation. New York City charges an additional $1.50, which will bring the cost of a typical pack of cigarettes here to $9.
(From an article about smuggling here.)
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RE: Smokers have the right to pay a lot of money! - 4/12/2008 12:23:10 PM
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That's a lot of money. But if someone wants a cig bad enough, they'll pay it. I personally am trying to quit. Haven't had one yet today, but it's only 9:27 am.
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RE: Smokers have the right to pay a lot of money! - 4/12/2008 9:37:41 PM
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Good luck DenimDiva. You can do it. I quit 10 years ago. It was hard but was so worth it.
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RE: Smokers Have Rights Too!!! - 4/12/2008 11:06:20 PM
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Example - How do we go about trying to show Jesus and change hearts and minds toward Him? Do we push it down their throats and enact laws, or do we show them Who it is that we reflect with love?
But how do we deal with people who prove they don't value our welfare by breaking into our homes, holding us up at gunpoint, raping our daughters, stealing our cars? Have we invited them to sit down and discuss what we think is good and reasonable behavior or do we pass laws assigning appropriate penalties for those who disagree with us?
Smoking isn't a criminal act.
Yet anyway....
True, but neither is alcohol. However, the government has all kinds of restrictions on who can drink, where, when and what they can do when they drink. Why? To protect the public.
Why is that ok, but it's not ok to regulate smoking which affects far more folks (because of how smoke spreads) than alcohol? The only way I will be injured by someone drunk, is if they cause an accident or lose control and directly impact me. I will not be harmed by standing next to them (other than maybe feeling a wee bit queezy when they puke all over themselves). One person smoking a single cigarette on the other side of the room however causes me harm just by the very act of smoking. They don't have to come near me. They don't have to cause an accident. They just have to smoke.
I believe the government has a right to regulate alcohol and drunkenness and by the same token, I believe the government has a right to regulate smoking. And I shouldn't have to never leave my home to avoid harm from someone else's addiction - I really could care less what the small business owner down the road thinks.
I'm usually the one saying the government overregulates stuff. But, there is a time and place for laws. You may disagree that this is the place, but my lungs differ with you. 
And for those who think it's no big deal to "just not go somewhere that allows smoking", you seem to be missing out on what so many of us have said. Before the bans in our areas, there was NO alternative. I was in college, the first time I ever knew of a totally smoke-free restaurant (and it wasn't even in my area - I was travelling). It wasn't until people had enough and demanded government protection (because contrary to what some of you think, the businesses were NOT listening to their customers) that non-smokers finally received the basic right to be able to go bowling or go to a restaurant (even though smokers were the minority).
Most businesses don't want to shake the boat. It doesn't matter how many people complain. They don't want to risk what they KNOW for something they don't know. Going smoke-free was huge. Businesses in this area were terrified. They didn't know what to expect - especially with so many outraged smokers breathing down their necks.
And yet, smokers around here discovered they could last an hour without a cigarette and non-smokers suddenly found new ways places to spend their money. It ended up being a win-win. I know plenty of smokers around here who have enjoyed the ban as well, believe it or not!
Great post.
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RE: Smokers Have Rights Too!!! - 4/13/2008 7:30:14 PM
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The new laws took what little we did have away; and added another tax onto every pack; what once cost 25 cents now cost $6.48 a pack. Stupid!!
And yet most smokers keep buying the same number of packs.
If you smoke 1 pack per day that's $6.48/day, $45.36/wk, $195. 4/month(4.3 wks/mo), $2347.57/yr.
If you smoke 2 packs/day that's $12.96/day, $90.72/wk, $390.09/month, $4681.15/yr.
If you smoke 3 packs/day that's $19.44/day, $136.08/wk, $585.14/month, $7021.72/yr.
Just think of what else you could do with that money, like invest, save it for retirement, save up to buy a house, pay down some debts, buy health insurance, donate more to your church or favorite charity, etc.
Just a thought, there.
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RE: Smokers Have Rights Too!!! - 4/15/2008 1:16:50 AM
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DenimDiva
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Congrats Jimbo.
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