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The Tudors - 3/8/2008 1:49:01 AM
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Melitac
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Anyone else watching this series on DirectTV by Showtime?
I like it, but this that Henry VIII should have been a big red-headed bloke.
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RE: The Tudors - 3/8/2008 4:07:51 PM
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Is it a Yank show or a British one?
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RE: The Tudors - 3/9/2008 10:32:23 AM
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It's probably the British one, we had it on tv a short while ago here. It looked interesting, unfortunately I didn't start paying attention until it was almost over.
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RE: The Tudors - 3/9/2008 10:44:08 AM
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If it's the one I'm thinking of, I don't think it's very good.
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RE: The Tudors - 3/9/2008 10:55:29 AM
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The one with Jonathan Rhys-Myers?
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RE: The Tudors - 3/9/2008 11:19:40 AM
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That'd be the one lexie.
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RE: The Tudors - 3/10/2008 9:03:40 AM
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When I was a kid, my dad, who is big into history, watched a PBS miniseries called "The Six Wives of Henry the 8th." It was, um, a little racy for the time. As I know "The Tudors" is as well. Given the subject matter, not a surprise, I think.
A slightly edited version of the first season of "The Tudors" was showing free OnDemand for a few weeks, but they took it off before I got past the 5th episode.
Yes, it's basically a soap opera, but that was Henry's life. I wondered if some of the things I didn't know before were true - like did he have an illegetimate son in the time between Mary's and Elizabeth's births?
And yeah, they picked a way too good looking guy to portray Henry. Especially because he at least got through wife number two in the first season, right?
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RE: The Tudors - 3/10/2008 9:34:19 AM
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It was, um, a little racy for the time. As I know "The Tudors" is as well. The Tudors is more than 'a little racy'!
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I wondered if some of the things I didn't know before were true - like did he have an illegetimate son in the time between Mary's and Elizabeth's births? Henry only ever acknowledged one only illegitimate child, Henry FitzRoy ~ Henry VIII had looked into legitimizing him and making him his heir as, he had no male children.
It's widely rumoured that Anne Boleyn's sister, Mary, had 2 children fathered by Henry VIII before he married Anne. Henry never acknowledged this though and it hasn't been proven.
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RE: The Tudors - 3/10/2008 1:56:45 PM
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It was, um, a little racy for the time. As I know "The Tudors" is as well. The Tudors is more than 'a little racy'!
Well, remember that the version I was viewing OnDemand stated up front that the content had been edited...
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RE: The Tudors - 3/10/2008 3:47:33 PM
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There are some programmes when (although I'd rather it wasn't there) I can deal with some nudity and such ~ but this was rather a bit more than too much ~ I didn't watch all of the episodes (for that reason), but it took a couple of times for me to remember NOT to watch it!
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RE: The Tudors - 3/10/2008 4:34:59 PM
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Wife watches it... she loves it.
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RE: The Tudors - 3/10/2008 4:48:58 PM
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Tudors is on Showtime and there is vocabulary/langauge that is far too modern for that day, which makes me nuts when they do that to historical programming.
I've seen 3-4 episodes thinking it would get better. It has not imo.
One thing I did to avoid some of the non-editing...is to record the program and then fast forward through parts that were TMI.
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RE: The Tudors - 3/10/2008 5:02:22 PM
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Tudors is on Showtime and there is vocabulary/langauge that is far too modern for that day, which makes me nuts when they do that to historical programming. Actually, if you read some of the contemporary literature of the time, it's not that dissimilar.
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RE: The Tudors - 3/10/2008 5:10:28 PM
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Really? I didn't know. I am surprised that some of the slang used for cussing today was used then.
For some reason I just couldn't see someone of that social status saying the eff word as though it was a normal part of the vocabulary.  I guess I assumed they were better at expressing themselves than we are today.
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RE: The Tudors - 3/10/2008 5:14:11 PM
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I studied Chaucer (who was around some 200 years earlier) years back and it was quite an eye-opener (I don't think I'd have coped with it as a Christian).
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RE: The Tudors - 3/10/2008 8:19:59 PM
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Humans and their wicked selves have been the same and constant since Adam and Eve fell. Yes they have, but I can understand what Doinkdom meant. We're given the impression that people were a lot more chaste a few hundred years ago, that the sexual revolution didn't happen until the 1960's.
Men and women were having pre-marital sex long before then ~ and it wasn't always frowned on. Men wanted to be sure that the women they married were fertile and so it wasn't unusual for the woman to be pregnant or have had a child before marriage.
Anne Boleyn was only married 8 months before she had Elizabeth ~ and there was never any suggestion that the baby was early.
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RE: The Tudors - 3/11/2008 10:02:36 AM
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I understand that many a high-status married man had one if not many mistresses or concubines or whatever you wanna call them with their wifes' knowledge. I mean we have the whole Abraham story to back that up.
But, I was just surprised by the cussing and usage of what I would've considered more modern-day language. I guess I expected more.
I mean who knew that one of those words was used so much back then  .
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RE: The Tudors - 3/11/2008 10:55:37 AM
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One thing I did to avoid some of the non-editing...is to record the program and then fast forward through parts that were TMI.
Sounds like me with Torchwood. I actually enjoy most of the stories but I'm getting way tired of TMI for shock value. You'd think at this point they'd be getting over it.
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RE: The Tudors - 3/11/2008 12:47:10 PM
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He says Capt. Jack has issues That's an understatement!
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RE: The Tudors - 3/17/2008 12:21:31 AM
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Henry did in fact have more than one male child.
He had one male child with Katharine of Aragon that lived about one month. Historical records suggest that Anne Boleyn gave birth to a male child that died at birth or was stillborn.
One even became king, this would be Kind Edward that ruled before Mary, who ruled before Elizabeth.
Edward took the throne right after Henrys death as a child of about 13 (?) I think. He died as a teenager of TB.
Edwards mother was Kathrine Parr and she died in the childbirth of him.
From what I have been studying, "The Tudors" series, while quite racy. Is apparently very accurate to historical standards.
I even suspect that in the series thay have downplayed the real open sexuality of the court. It is said that while Anne Boleyn was Queen, the court was very homosexual while protestantism was beginning.
Also, Henry was actually a red-headed athletic "hottie" when he was young. This is a large part of why the early wives were so "willing" to marry him. He only got morbidly obese after an old leg injury became infected and made him a cripple.
Henry The VIII likely invented the early game of "Tennis" and also composed many songs, the Christmas song "What Child is This" (Greensleeves) is rumored to be composed by King Henry.
Contrary to the modern opinion of King Henry, he was indeed an innovative politician in his day. He in fact was cause to many changes of the reformation. He was pivotal. And important.
The RC church was reforming, Luther was being heard and PRINTED, the Spanish Inquisition was at work and I find it all very, very interesting!!
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RE: The Tudors - 3/17/2008 10:41:57 AM
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Henry did in fact have more than one male child. Yes, he did have more than one male child, however dead children cannot become heir to the throne and so didn't count.
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One even became king, this would be Kind Edward that ruled before Mary, who ruled before Elizabeth. And Lady Jane Grey ruled for 9 days between Edward VI's death and Mary begining her reign.
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Edward took the throne right after Henrys death as a child of about 13 (?) I think. He died as a teenager of TB. He was 9 when his reign began and nearly 16 when he died. There are various theories about what caused his death, TB is one of them. quote:
Edwards mother was Kathrine Parr and she died in the childbirth of him. Actually, his mother was Jane Seymour ~ and she died (a fortnight later) of complications after Edward VI's birth, not during childbirth.
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RE: The Tudors - 3/18/2008 12:58:44 AM
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I saw the very first episode and I wasn't really impressed.
It struck me as a tired "Rome" impersonator, only set in England.
Does it get better?
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RE: The Tudors - 3/23/2008 2:32:51 AM
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I stand corrected by agapetos on many issues. Thank you for the clarification.
You seem to have considerable understanding in this. PLEASE, speak up!
Don't reserve yourself to corrections and clarifications only. 
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