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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/3/2008 2:46:30 PM
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OLEEguacamole
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okay so how quickly do you think a dating couple should be "bonded" and what do you mean by bonding?
many dating relationships end at some point, how does that fit into the scheme of things?
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/6/2008 1:35:36 AM
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Melitac
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TMeeks,
Are you a parent?
If so, how many teens have you raised?
You stated you were a youth counselor(?), do you believe in allowing teens of the opposite sex alone time together during gatherings you are in any way in charge of?
Do you believe that a teenager can be more spiritually mature than an adult?
Regarding prayer, do you pray "randomly" with people you barely know?
Do you only pray with people (men) you know?
Would you please provide scripture that "you" believe supports your position? (That prayer is dangerous/leading into sin, unless spiritually mature and with same sex.)
And don't regurgitate that nonsense about "the early church", YOU TELL ME WHERE JESUS FORBIDS IT IN SCRIPTURE.
Because that is all that matters to me and many more like me.
Thank you,
Mel~
P.S.
Still, WWJD?
JESUS would pray (console) if needed. Jesus had no problem talking with women that had ill-reputation.
This actually got Him alot of negative attention. So what of that...??
Are you saying we should not be like Jesus?
Sure sounds like it to me...
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/6/2008 1:38:12 AM
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Melitac
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Also,
According to scripture, "there is nothing new under the sun". So, if someone was a teenager 20, 30, 60 or even 400 years ago..the Word is as applicable TODAY as it was THEN.
Are you implying that the Word is not relevant today as it was the day It was written?
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/6/2008 1:50:06 AM
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In any case this is all basically about spiritual maturity when attempting to pray with another.
Prayer glorifies God. Plain and simple. ALL prayer.
I am of the belief that He uses our sins to bring Him further Glory. Alot of people here don't subscrible to that school of doctrine. If you are of the other, then our discussion is over.
In any case,
I agree that the lost should probably not "play" prayer together.
And that is what you are really talking about....Lost people playing prayer.
But teenagers praying together....??
I'm sorry, but you are way out of touch with the world. Our problems TODAY don't come from our teens praying together, but from the LACK OF IT.
More problems are coming from the constant secular world they soak in. NOT from trying to pray to GOD together in whatever feeble way they might attempt to do so.
How dare you attempt to undermine any attempt these kids might use to find God. How dare you.
You obviously do not know any teenagers or have ever really known any.
You are teaching and spreading dangerous ideas.
You are telling people (teens/youth) NOT to pray!!!!
So in reality, you think that "lost" people should not pray together.
Thats is what you are saying, really.
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/6/2008 2:04:56 AM
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Melitac
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So, can we start a new thread about "lost people praying"?
I think I already saw one.
Moderators, is there already a thread existing? If not, where should I start it at?
Mel~
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/6/2008 2:40:59 AM
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OLEEguacamole
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 i missed the posts that told teens not to pray.
all prayer does not glorify God, that is according to the bible. it's quite possible to pray in a God displeasing manner.
no one here is trying to restrict or discourage spiritual activity or seeking. people are trying to protect and share godly wisdom.
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/6/2008 2:44:19 AM
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Melitac
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To denounce prayer to Him is to denounce Him.
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/6/2008 2:44:25 AM
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OLEEguacamole
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Melitac
Also,
According to scripture, "there is nothing new under the sun". So, if someone was a teenager 20, 30, 60 or even 400 years ago..the Word is as applicable TODAY as it was THEN.
Are you implying that the Word is not relevant today as it was the day It was written?
so you have scripture that encourages men and women to pray alone together?
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/6/2008 2:45:32 AM
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OLEEguacamole
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Melitac
To denounce prayer to Him is to denounce Him.
Mel~
no one denounced prayer. show me the post that said teens or anyone else should stop praying or pray less.
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/6/2008 2:46:18 AM
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Melitac
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Mrs Dash,
I know it is a long thread. But "Youth" was discussed. As was "dating". Hey, youths date.
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/6/2008 2:49:03 AM
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Melitac
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Did Jesus console and talk with the woman at the well?
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/6/2008 2:50:49 AM
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Melitac
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Everybody knows what is being said about "youth couples" praying together...
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/6/2008 2:51:05 AM
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no one is being told to pray less. they are being told to avoid praying with a date, alone. pray pray pray. pray alone pray with your best friend pastor group of friends etc. no shortage of ability to pray just because one decides to avoid praying alone with a date. young or old.
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/6/2008 2:54:30 AM
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Melitac
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Teens praying??
Is is long known in this thread that it is inadvisable for "couples to pray". Heck, it's in the OP.
I don't have to show you jack smack.
Carry on the point and stop being OCD.
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/6/2008 2:55:51 AM
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Melitac
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I say pray with anyone. You don't.
Yes, pray, pray pray...with anyone.
Just be sure you are mature enough to handle it if it goes weird...
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/6/2008 3:01:07 AM
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OLEEguacamole
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all couples should pray. but dating couples should not pray together alone. really how is it hard to have a prayer life just because you can't pray alone with your date?
i know christian teens that are chaste and those who are not. do you or the young men realize that when most christian teens have a boyfriend they are thinking they are going to marry the guy? their perception of the bond is overinflated.
it is that conviction, that this is the guy, that often they rest on when giving up chastity. well, "i'm compromising but at least thisis the guy i'm going to marry" later they find that that guy leaves. the next guy seems like an imporvement. "THIS is the guy i'm going to marry..."
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/6/2008 3:02:18 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Melitac
Just be sure you are mature enough to handle it if it goes weird...
that doesn't fit with "all prayer glorifies God"
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/6/2008 3:15:53 AM
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It does indeed fit with all prayer glorifies God.
You just don't seem to understand.
Spiritual maturity can happen to a teenager. I have seen it happen.
I have seen teenagers that are lost, couples too, pray to God, in heartfelt sincerity.
I have seen them come to maturity in the Lord together.
It happens. It can happen.
But just because our awful secular world is more pronounced in their lives, this doesn't mean
that we are to assume that all youths/couples/teens should avoid seeking their Saviour together in
prayer.
This is WRONG theology.
Prayer should be taught in ALL things. No matter what. God will work out the sin/differences. If we even begin to think we can, we are playing God.
We cannot play God by suggesting when it is correct to seek Him.
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/6/2008 3:20:05 AM
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Melitac
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Seek the Lord in all things?
Isaiah 55:6
"Seek ye the LORD while He may be found; Call on Him while He is near."
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/6/2008 3:33:27 AM
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Melitac
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Isaiah 55
Invitation to the Thirsty
1 "Come, all you who are thirsty,
come to the waters;
and you who have no money,
come, buy and eat!
Come, buy wine and milk
without money and without cost.
2 Why spend money on what is not bread,
and your labor on what does not satisfy?
Listen, listen to me, and eat what is good,
and your soul will delight in the richest of fare.
3 Give ear and come to me;
hear me, that your soul may live.
I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
my faithful love promised to David.
4 See, I have made him a witness to the peoples,
a leader and commander of the peoples.
5 Surely you will summon nations you know not,
and nations that do not know you will hasten to you,
because of the LORD your God,
the Holy One of Israel,
for he has endowed you with splendor."
6 Seek the LORD while he may be found;
call on him while he is near.
7 Let the wicked forsake his way
and the evil man his thoughts.
Let him turn to the LORD, and he will have mercy on him,
and to our God, for he will freely pardon.
8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,"
declares the LORD.
9 "As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
10 As the rain and the snow
come down from heaven,
and do not return to it
without watering the earth
and making it bud and flourish,
so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater,
11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire
and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
12 You will go out in joy
and be led forth in peace;
the mountains and hills
will burst into song before you,
and all the trees of the field
will clap their hands.
13 Instead of the thornbush will grow the pine tree,
and instead of briers the myrtle will grow.
This will be for the LORD's renown,
for an everlasting sign,
which will not be destroyed."
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/6/2008 3:36:55 AM
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OLEEguacamole
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spiritually mature teens are not immune to temptation. temptation is something we are to avoid and flee from.
i think the early church issue is a valid one. if men and women could not even sit in church together then, how is it possible that they had the ablility to have mature prayer and spiritual lives? why is it now, single men and women need to pray when they're alone together in order to have a God honoring life?
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/6/2008 3:39:04 AM
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OLEEguacamole
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Melitac
Seek the Lord in all things?
Isaiah 55:6
"Seek ye the LORD while He may be found; Call on Him while He is near."
loving God 24/7 does not require that a date prayes alone together.
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/6/2008 3:52:52 AM
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quote:
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Do you think it is a safe idea for teens to pray together on dates or not?
If the date and I were going on a trip, we would certainly pray together for God to guide us to our destination safely. That is, of course, if you were implying the question to actual dates themselves.
Really, it all depends on the individual's responsibility, self-control, and consciousness of not putting themselves in a situation that could lead beyond something that was unplanned. Maturity is also a big factor.
So the answer to the question is pending on how an individual would handle praying with the opposite sex, not prayer itself. I think that's the confusion.
Also, prayer is a must for a strong relationship.
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RE: Bad idea to pray together? - 4/6/2008 4:09:33 AM
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Melitac
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MRSDASH,
Prayer for dating couples is NOT required but HIGHLY recommended!
RatherDashing,
You hit the nail on the head "prayer is a must for a strong relationship."
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