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RE: Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, or ... - 4/8/2008 6:26:54 AM
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I do and I don't. I take the Word as it is written but there is alot of untold story in there. I personally like to take the idea that it took six days for God to "engineer" the whole thing. And with God, His Word is as good as done. So on the 7th day he rested because His 6 days of planning were set in motion.
Now I am sure someone could shoot this notion full of holes but it is how I wrap my limited brain capacity around it.
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RE: Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, or ... - 4/8/2008 9:39:41 AM
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I do and I don't. I take the Word as it is written but there is alot of untold story in there. I personally like to take the idea that it took six days for God to "engineer" the whole thing. And with God, His Word is as good as done. So on the 7th day he rested because His 6 days of planning were set in motion.
Now I am sure someone could shoot this notion full of holes but it is how I wrap my limited brain capacity around it.
Why would an omnipotent being required rest?
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RE: Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, or ... - 4/8/2008 10:13:26 AM
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I do and I don't. I take the Word as it is written but there is alot of untold story in there. I personally like to take the idea that it took six days for God to "engineer" the whole thing. And with God, His Word is as good as done. So on the 7th day he rested because His 6 days of planning were set in motion.
Now I am sure someone could shoot this notion full of holes but it is how I wrap my limited brain capacity around it.
Why would an omnipotent being required rest?
Because He said he did.
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RE: Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, or ... - 4/8/2008 11:09:16 AM
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You really don't get this, do you, cow?
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RE: Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, or ... - 4/8/2008 12:09:05 PM
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You really don't get this, do you, cow?
I get that you don't want to explain why an omnipotent God would need to rest or why he was "walking" through the garden.
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RE: Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, or ... - 4/8/2008 12:10:18 PM
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I do and I don't. I take the Word as it is written but there is alot of untold story in there. I personally like to take the idea that it took six days for God to "engineer" the whole thing. And with God, His Word is as good as done. So on the 7th day he rested because His 6 days of planning were set in motion.
Now I am sure someone could shoot this notion full of holes but it is how I wrap my limited brain capacity around it.
Why would an omnipotent being required rest?
Because He said he did.
So God needs a day off each week? Doesn't sound omnipotent, does it?
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RE: Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, or ... - 4/8/2008 12:34:17 PM
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God was doing something special. He did something special on the first 6 days. He established the 7-day week by creating a day of rest, hallowing it as the special day that he stopped creating, so we also would have a special reason to stop our work as beings that actually need rest. I suppose God didn't "need" to do anything that he did during the first 6 days any more than he "needed" to rest on the 7th. I suppose God didn't "need" to take 6 days to create. He didn't "need" to create the sun on the 4th day, but he did. Genesis 2:2 and 3 say that he rested, so we are to assume that he did. It doesn't explain what was the nature of God's rest. Why do you capitalize on these things?
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RE: Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, or ... - 4/8/2008 12:54:57 PM
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God was doing something special. He did something special on the first 6 days. He established the 7-day week by creating a day of rest, hallowing it as the special day that he stopped creating, so we also would have a special reason to stop our work as beings that actually need rest. I suppose God didn't "need" to do anything that he did during the first 6 days any more than he "needed" to rest on the 7th. I suppose God didn't "need" to take 6 days to create. He didn't "need" to create the sun on the 4th day, but he did. Genesis 2:2 and 3 say that he rested, so we are to assume that he did. It doesn't explain what was the nature of God's rest. Why do you capitalize on these things?
If it is the literal Word of God, it should be unambiguous. God explained why he created woman, for example. He rested before the fall, before work was required of Adam and Eve. It's not consistent when interpreted literally. Your choice of the word "capitalize" is interesting. It's a term typically used in refernce to a weakness or mistake.
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RE: Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, or ... - 4/8/2008 1:25:10 PM
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If it is the literal Word of God, it should be unambiguous.
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God explained why he created woman, for example.
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He rested before the fall, before work was required of Adam and Eve. It's not consistent when interpreted literally.
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Your choice of the word "capitalize" is interesting. It's a term typically used in refernce to a weakness or mistake.
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RE: Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, or ... - 4/8/2008 1:32:34 PM
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Why do you capitalize on these things? To attempt to explain away the literal, unambiguous Word of God. There's no other rational explanation for not accepting creation in six days when it conflicts with one's faith in humanistic naturalism.
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RE: Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, or ... - 4/8/2008 3:18:03 PM
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Why do you capitalize on these things? To attempt to explain away the literal, unambiguous Word of God. There's no other rational explanation for not accepting creation in six days when it conflicts with one's faith in humanistic naturalism.
If it were unambiguous, there would be no question as to why God "rested". There is no way to explain it, if taken literally. If God needed to rest, then He was not omnipotent. The "rest", then, must not be literal. Therefore, the literal approach to scriptural in this chapter is inconsistent. So trying to base a major scientific premise on a literal interpretation is illogical.
The bottom line is you have not, because you cannot, explain Genesis as science. You cannot even explain the seventh day. If you cannot explain the seventh, then your explanations of the first six cannot be credible.
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RE: Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, or ... - 4/8/2008 3:21:27 PM
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If it is the literal Word of God, it should be unambiguous.
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God explained why he created woman, for example.
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He rested before the fall, before work was required of Adam and Eve. It's not consistent when interpreted literally.
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Your choice of the word "capitalize" is interesting. It's a term typically used in refernce to a weakness or mistake.
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If Genesis is the literal "word of God", the seventh day would be clear. The Hebrew does not say celebrate, rejoice, etc. It says rest. An omnipotent God does not rest.
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RE: Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, or ... - 4/8/2008 3:28:10 PM
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If Genesis is the literal "word of God", the seventh day would be clear. The Hebrew does not say celebrate, rejoice, etc. It says rest. An omnipotent God does not rest.
What is rest to God may not be the same as rest to you.
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RE: Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, or ... - 4/8/2008 4:58:35 PM
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If Genesis is the literal "word of God", the seventh day would be clear. The Hebrew does not say celebrate, rejoice, etc. It says rest. An omnipotent God does not rest.
What is rest to God may not be the same as rest to you.
ROFLOL. Creation Science logic.
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RE: Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, or ... - 4/8/2008 6:29:22 PM
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If it is the literal Word of God, it should be unambiguous.
Please
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God explained why he created woman, for example.
state
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He rested before the fall, before work was required of Adam and Eve. It's not consistent when interpreted literally.
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Your choice of the word "capitalize" is interesting. It's a term typically used in refernce to a weakness or mistake.
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If Genesis is the literal "word of God", the seventh day would be clear. The Hebrew does not say celebrate, rejoice, etc. It says rest. An omnipotent God does not rest.
Cow, that is bupkus. You can't get any more unambiguous than the way that the flood is described as being global, yet you want to find some way to squeeze your theory through the cracks so that evolution reigns as uninhibited by the Bible. Are you interested in finding out what the Bible declares, or are you interested in finding out what the Bible could be saying if you allowed for some stretching of the potential meaning of some word?
Your point is that the first chapter of Genesis is not literal because it lacks clarity as to what the nature of God's act of resting is. Therefore the first 11 chapters can be considered symbolic. Therefore it could be describing the evolution of the universe.
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RE: Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, or ... - 4/8/2008 7:01:19 PM
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If it is the literal Word of God, it should be unambiguous.
Please
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God explained why he created woman, for example.
state
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He rested before the fall, before work was required of Adam and Eve. It's not consistent when interpreted literally.
your
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Your choice of the word "capitalize" is interesting. It's a term typically used in refernce to a weakness or mistake.
point
If Genesis is the literal "word of God", the seventh day would be clear. The Hebrew does not say celebrate, rejoice, etc. It says rest. An omnipotent God does not rest.
Cow, that is bupkus. You can't get any more unambiguous than the way that the flood is described as being global, yet you want to find some way to squeeze your theory through the cracks so that evolution reigns as uninhibited by the Bible. Are you interested in finding out what the Bible declares, or are you interested in finding out what the Bible could be saying if you allowed for some stretching of the potential meaning of some word?
Your point is that the first chapter of Genesis is not literal because it lacks clarity as to what the nature of God's act of resting is. Therefore the first 11 chapters can be considered symbolic. Therefore it could be describing the evolution of the universe.
I wasn't discussing the flood. I am trying to get a clear YEC explanation for God resting. It is abundantly clear that there is none. I am not trying to use scripture to prove evolution or any other scientific theory. I don't think Genesis describes evolution or Intelligent Design. It explains God to an ancient Hebrew population in language they could understand. A people whose grasp of science was rudimentary.
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RE: Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, or ... - 4/8/2008 11:38:00 PM
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I am trying to get a clear YEC explanation for God resting. It is abundantly clear that there is none. It's abundantly clear that you are not interested in explanations, cow, only more opportunities to justify human science over Biblical inerrancy. I'm not playing this game any more!
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RE: Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, or ... - 4/9/2008 10:01:47 AM
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If it is the literal Word of God, it should be unambiguous.
Please
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God explained why he created woman, for example.
state
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He rested before the fall, before work was required of Adam and Eve. It's not consistent when interpreted literally.
your
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Your choice of the word "capitalize" is interesting. It's a term typically used in refernce to a weakness or mistake.
point
If Genesis is the literal "word of God", the seventh day would be clear. The Hebrew does not say celebrate, rejoice, etc. It says rest. An omnipotent God does not rest.
Cow, that is bupkus. You can't get any more unambiguous than the way that the flood is described as being global, yet you want to find some way to squeeze your theory through the cracks so that evolution reigns as uninhibited by the Bible. Are you interested in finding out what the Bible declares, or are you interested in finding out what the Bible could be saying if you allowed for some stretching of the potential meaning of some word?
Your point is that the first chapter of Genesis is not literal because it lacks clarity as to what the nature of God's act of resting is. Therefore the first 11 chapters can be considered symbolic. Therefore it could be describing the evolution of the universe.
I wasn't discussing the flood. I am trying to get a clear YEC explanation for God resting. It is abundantly clear that there is none. I am not trying to use scripture to prove evolution or any other scientific theory. I don't think Genesis describes evolution or Intelligent Design. It explains God to an ancient Hebrew population in language they could understand. A people whose grasp of science was rudimentary.
Just because the Hebrews had a rudimentary knowledge of science doesn't mean that God had to cross his fingers behind his back when he was telling Moses what to write. This article from your favorite publishers give a satirical narrative of what Genesis could have said if evolution was the means by which God created the universe. I read it and I agree, God could have used evolution, but he should have told us he did if he did. (It's very short, by the way, no harm in reading it.)
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RE: Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, or ... - 4/9/2008 10:40:46 AM
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Just because the Hebrews had a rudimentary knowledge of science doesn't mean that God had to cross his fingers behind his back when he was telling Moses what to write. This article from your favorite publishers give a satirical narrative of what Genesis could have said if evolution was the means by which God created the universe. I read it and I agree, God could have used evolution, but he should have told us he did if he did. (It's very short, by the way, no harm in reading it.)
If God were writing (Moses was doing the writing according to tradition, BTW) a scientific account, true. But it would have been so boring that nobody would remember it. So it makes more sense for it to be written as it was, in a poetic fashion.
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RE: Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, or ... - 4/9/2008 12:20:19 PM
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Just because the Hebrews had a rudimentary knowledge of science doesn't mean that God had to cross his fingers behind his back when he was telling Moses what to write. This article from your favorite publishers give a satirical narrative of what Genesis could have said if evolution was the means by which God created the universe. I read it and I agree, God could have used evolution, but he should have told us he did if he did. (It's very short, by the way, no harm in reading it.)
If God were writing (Moses was doing the writing according to tradition, BTW) a scientific account, true. But it would have been so boring that nobody would remember it. So it makes more sense for it to be written as it was, in a poetic fashion.
Ohhhhh, now I get it. God didn't want to be boring... looks like we've gotten to the bottom of this.
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RE: Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, or ... - 4/9/2008 2:03:42 PM
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Just because the Hebrews had a rudimentary knowledge of science doesn't mean that God had to cross his fingers behind his back when he was telling Moses what to write. This article from your favorite publishers give a satirical narrative of what Genesis could have said if evolution was the means by which God created the universe. I read it and I agree, God could have used evolution, but he should have told us he did if he did. (It's very short, by the way, no harm in reading it.)
If God were writing (Moses was doing the writing according to tradition, BTW) a scientific account, true. But it would have been so boring that nobody would remember it. So it makes more sense for it to be written as it was, in a poetic fashion.
Ohhhhh, now I get it. God didn't want to be boring... looks like we've gotten to the bottom of this.
If you knew anything about literature, you'd get the point. You don't hear anybody quoting boring passages of the Bible. When's the last time you heard anybody toss around Hosea 1:3?
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RE: Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, or ... - 4/9/2008 5:27:21 PM
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If you knew anything about literature you would know Genesis was NOT written in "poetic fashion". It is historical narrative intended to convey factual information about real events in time.
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RE: Young Earth Creationism, Old Earth Creationism, or ... - 4/10/2008 11:30:35 AM
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If you knew anything about literature you would know Genesis was NOT written in "poetic fashion". It is historical narrative intended to convey factual information about real events in time.
Except those parts which are not literal, by your own admission. And a total absence of anything resembling science. My point was that you surely don't think God would have inspired a text so boring that it would not have been interesting enough to be remembered. Writing something as history doesn't make it history.
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