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Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama?

Yes, she should drop out

26% (10)

No, it ain't over til it's over!

42% (16)

I love seeing Democrats eat their own

28% (11)

Obama is more like Apollo Creed than Clubber Lang

2% (1)

Total Votes : 38

(last vote on : 5/16/2008 4:01:06 PM)
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rcjames -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (4/3/2008 11:19:08 AM)
I predict that if Obama goes into the convention with a popular vote lead and an elected delegate lead (no matter how small), and the "Super" delegates give it to Hillary; then Chicago (and Atlanta, Detroit, etc.) will have riots and burn brighter than Atlanta did during the War bBtween the States. But, I could be wrong. Thanks RC

redeemedsaint -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (4/3/2008 11:26:11 AM)
I think she should drop out, but she won't because she thinks she's entitled to it and will do anything to get elected. She don't care about the people, she cares about how far she can further herself.

Jhud -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (4/3/2008 1:41:25 PM)
quote: There's a theory going around, that Hillary knows it would take a miracle for her to win the nomination this year. By keeping this thing going, she's preparing for 2012 (McCain will be about 112 by then), by doing as much damage to Obama as possible, and hoping (privately of course) for a McCain victory over him in the fall. While it is true McCain will be 112 by then, it will also be true that he be cryogenically frozen in 2010, and the voice eminating from the block of ice will be that of Richard Kiley (they will spare no expense). And as Iraq will be by then known as the 'Vacation spot of the Middle East' and Iran will vie for shopping dollars at the new Persian MegaMall, their will be little incentive for the electorate to exchange one icy, emotionless leader for another.

lightshineon -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (4/3/2008 2:00:58 PM)
could be, but, let us pray not. quote: ORIGINAL: rcjames I predict that if Obama goes into the convention with a popular vote lead and an elected delegate lead (no matter how small), and the "Super" delegates give it to Hillary; then Chicago (and Atlanta, Detroit, etc.) will have riots and burn brighter than Atlanta did during the War bBtween the States. But, I could be wrong. Thanks RC

jbow -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (4/3/2008 3:14:26 PM)
quote: And if it doesn't go her way, then the Democratic Party isn't good enough or big enough for her, and she should go directly to the people as a third party candidate. I had not thought of that. She is just the one to do it too. She think's that she is entitled to the nomination and, in fact, to the office. The Clintons are like the Kennedys. In the words of Tip O'neal, "The Kennedys are not democrats, they have their own party". That is what the Clintons are like. Remember when they left the White House taking chairs and china with them... shameful. J

vajent -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (4/4/2008 10:56:57 AM)
A few things: 1) The only way that Hillary has any real chance is if Florida and Michigan are redone, and that she wins them both big. 2) Arguing that she should stay in the race because she's not that far behind is problematic, because she's actually quite a ways behind when one considers how few states are left on the voting docket. Combine that with the proportional allocation of delegates, and the math just doesn't add up. She needs to win Pennsylvania by better than 2 to 1 just to seriously get back in the game, and there's no indication that anything like that is remotely gonna happen. 3) The idear that the superdelegates are somehow gonna overturn the pledged delegate count and the popular vote total is a Washington media obsession that has absolutely zero legs. It ain't gonna happen, no matter how much some people wish it might, and no matter how much the press plays up the possibility. It ain't gonna happen, period. The superdelegates are merely gonna ratify the voting results. The superdelegates are not gonna bail out Hillary if she's trailing in pledged delegates and the vote count. 4) Hillary knows #3 is true, because that's why she's now making noise about trying to convert PLEDGED delegates away from Obama. It's all very Clintonian - instead of arguing about the definition of 'is', Hillary now wants to say that 'pledged' doesn't mean 'committed'. It's a total act of desperation on her part. The bottom line is that Hillary's only real hope rests on the Democrats sorting out the Florida and Michigan debacle in a way that she comes out way ahead. Is it possible? I suppose. Is it likely? No way. Obama has the momentum, the money, the media, and the votes and delegates. It's still technically possible for Hillary to win, but her odds are very long now. And at some point, Democrats at large have to ask whether her candidacy has reached a point where it's doing more harm than good, and whether ego and lust for power have replaced economy of effort. If the goal is to beat the Republicans, is Hillary's campaign helping or hurting that effort, given her increasingly unrealistic odds of being the nominee? Put simply, Democrats have to ask the same question as Republicans - is it more important for us to make a statement and lose, or to come together and win? Republicans haven't answered that question yet, and that's part of why they're in a lot of trouble. But Democrats are starting to flirt with the same kind of trouble. Obama's gonna be the guy. The only issue now is how bloody the battle will be before this outcome is official, and how bitter the lasting affects might be.

stamper_ben -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (4/4/2008 11:11:36 AM)
quote: The idear that the superdelegates are somehow gonna overturn the pledged delegate count and the popular vote total is a Washington media obsession that has absolutely zero legs. It ain't gonna happen, no matter how much some people wish it might, and no matter how much the press plays up the possibility. It ain't gonna happen, period. The superdelegates are merely gonna ratify the voting results. The superdelegates are not gonna bail out Hillary if she's trailing in pledged delegates and the vote count. These super delegates are for th most part career politicians and are not going to go out on a limb and threaten their careers. Unless of course Hillary promises them all a Cabinet position...[8\|]

Random -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (4/4/2008 11:20:13 AM)
I believe intrade has probability of Hillary winning in the single digits. Last I checked it was like 9.5%.

mapachito13 -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (4/4/2008 12:43:21 PM)
Hillary's political star is failing. She is having problems raising money with Obama beating her by a 2 to 1 margin. She was on the news trying to raise money in CA (I guess the people in PA aren't giving enough). She raised $1 million which is a paltry sum for a CA political fundraiser. Even the Govenator could do better. She had one of those forced "Welcome to Disneyland" smiles but looked beaten down, not with the same fire in her belly. She waited four years so she wouldn't have to run against a sitting President but I don't think she counted on Obama to come and spoil her party; figuratively and literally.

saved9201 -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (4/4/2008 12:57:37 PM)
Vajent wrote: quote: Obama's gonna be the guy. The only issue now is how bloody the battle will be before this outcome is official, and how bitter the lasting affects might be. There's one school of thought that Hillary is well aware that Obama's the guy, but the more she can bloody him up, the more certain she can be of a McCain victory, and she can try again in 2012. Thinking that she would surrender and whole heartedly support Obama assumes she's more loyal to the democratic party than to her own selfish ambitions. BTW, your post was an excellent analysis of the situation. - Julius

mapachito13 -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (4/4/2008 2:22:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 There's one school of thought that Hillary is well aware that Obama's the guy, but the more she can bloody him up, the more certain she can be of a McCain victory, and she can try again in 2012. Thinking that she would surrender and whole heartedly support Obama assumes she's more loyal to the democratic party than to her own selfish ambitions. I never thought of this scenario but its deviousness and selfish ambition suits Hillary to a tee! Maybe they should change their surname from Clinton to Tudor.

dinomax55 -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (4/4/2008 2:41:18 PM)
I would agree with most of you- except for the fact that a number of superdelegates could end up swinging the vote, perhaps because Clinton called in whatever political favors she may have built up. I really don't see her bowing out gracefully in the name of party unity- like it's been mentioned before, she has too much ego and sense of entitlement. However, I never considered the possibility she would do something to set up 2012..

dinomax55 -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (4/4/2008 2:42:35 PM)
So she would do whatever she could to give Obama a Phyrric victory? That would sound like her, wouldn't it?

wing2000 -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (4/4/2008 5:55:30 PM)
Vajent - your analysis, as usual, was right on.

CherishedbyGod -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (4/6/2008 6:26:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jhud No, for heaven sake, no! Hillary should fight until the bitter end, until every delegate Super or otherwise is absolutely commited. Should should bite, kick, scratch, screech, cry, and any other thing she can think of until the convention acts decisively. And if it doesn't go her way, then the Democratic Party isn't good enough or big enough for her, and she should go directly to the people as a third party candidate. You go girl, you are makin' history here! Methinks you have gone bonkers since the last time I came to this folder[sm=Llol.gif]

lightshineon -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (4/6/2008 10:12:55 PM)
Who knows? I am not smart, or interested enough to keep up, to much energy.[8\|]

tracydolls -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (4/7/2008 9:39:45 PM)
April 7, 2008 1 minute ago WASHINGTON - Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has stopped telling a story of a pregnant woman's medical tragedy after an Ohio hospital challenged its accuracy last weekend. Drop out Hillary, your lies are not gonna stop BO. I know you fired your Chief whatever over the weekend after paying him 8 million. But YOU have got to stop lying.

yustme -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (4/18/2008 2:02:22 PM)
Have any of you seen the Clinton Chronicles?I have it,and it is scary.It's a documented account of how Clintons fought their way to the top.They have done many Illegal things including,possible murder.No they've never pulled the triger,however the investigations have given to suspect the Clintons of murder.Do you know how everyone will have health insurance?If you can't afford it and turn it down,she will fine you then take it out of your paycheck.That sure sounds like communisn to me.BTW. she's also into witchcraft.Behind their "smiles"are two VERY dangerous people.If this is what you want as a leader help yourself.I don't.

henny -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (5/7/2008 3:19:33 PM)
I think its near the end for Hillary. The TV pundits have all basically conceded the nomination to Obama (even Drudge ran a picture of Obama with "The Nominee" under it). Plus Obama now has more committed superdelegates and former Hilary supporters are starting to defect (George McGovern just switched his endorsement to Obama and called for Hilary to drop out). Likewise, polls suggesting that Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" may have had an effect in Indiana have kind of sapped any momentum she can claim from her narrow win there. http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Exit_polls_indicate_Limbaughs_minions_turning_0506.html Although she still seems intent on staying in the race from her rhetoric so far, so we'll see what happens I guess.

inthysite -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (5/7/2008 3:30:56 PM)
quote: Likewise, polls suggesting that Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" may have had an effect in Indiana have kind of sapped any momentum she can claim from her narrow win there. I think it's hilarious that the liberal media, who have denied that Operation Chaos has had any affect since it's inception, are now claiming that it is the sole reason for Hillary's victory. [;)]

Jhud -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (5/7/2008 4:03:13 PM)
Ah, you naysayers, Hillary isn't dropping out. Like the inspid theme song of Titanic, her campaign will go on and on, through West Virginia, Kentucky, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Montana and South Dakota, on to battle with the Super Delegates, wrangling over MI and FL until the last delegate gasps out his choice. Like Winston Churchill, she "shall fight on the beaches, she shall fight on the landing grounds, she shall fight in the fields and in the streets, she shall fight in the hills; she shall never surrender...". Hillary, my friends, is an inspiration to us all.

Leslie_JnJs_mom -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (5/7/2008 5:04:51 PM)
Hey on the bright side she is going to do all of McCains work by digging up all the icky stuff on BO for him. Then when she thinks she can just run again in 4 years she will be shocked to find out that everyone is still sick of her.[:D]

tracydolls -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (5/7/2008 5:14:29 PM)
It will not be long. she is smart enough to know IT's Over. thank G_D she has to do some fundraising, to pay herself back, tie up loose ends. She could keep it up, but what would be the point. With only 6 states left, there's no way. All the lying, money, none of it worked. she is asking her G-D what happened. I think Obama's gonna clean Mccain's clock.

CatholicCritter -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (5/7/2008 5:15:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rcjames I predict that if Obama goes into the convention with a popular vote lead and an elected delegate lead (no matter how small), and the "Super" delegates give it to Hillary; then Chicago (and Atlanta, Detroit, etc.) will have riots and burn brighter than Atlanta did during the War bBtween the States. But, I could be wrong. Thanks RC Uh, that should be 'War of Northern Aggression'...[:D] Seriously, this is like asking 'should Brett Favre retire?'. The answer is 'if she thinks she should, then she should. If she thinks she should go on, then she should go on.' Look for her to shut it down in June, IMO. By then the writing will be on the wall and she will try to put her best smile on and buck for a VP spot.

Leslie_JnJs_mom -> RE: Should Hillary drop out now and support Obama? (5/7/2008 5:19:38 PM)
quote: I think Obama's gonna clean Mccain's clock. Oh I hope not. I have never been a huge fan of McCain but he is better then BO.

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