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Lapidoth -> RE: Messianic Fellowship - Nisan 5768 (5/12/2008 3:48:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Anisavta

I kinda think it was a blessing that I was "delievered" from that black hole by the hand of the Admin. [:D]


I find it easier on the nerves to avoid the black holes as much as possible. lol.

But, we're still loved.
It's taken me 600 hours of intense study this last year to work through all the
idiocies that everyone runs into to.

I finished my outline on Exodus today.
So, once we're ready to start a no-nonsense study of Torah, I'm set for a
few months any way. lol.

I can see I'm going to get bogged down in Leviticus.
It starts out with a bang of details, details, details. lol.

When I studied in the Sunday keeping college courses, it was the scarlet thread
that was emphasized, which I knew was pertinent and necessary. But it doesn't
connect or flow as well without the knowledge of the Hebraic thread that runs from
start to finish. I guess that's what I'll call it, the Hebraic thread. lol

All you hear now is the green thread of envy and prosperity.
And green is the same color for bile. lol.

I thought it important to stick to Hebrews at this time in our walk here in view of
the real Hebraic thread.

Any how, have a great week.
Even my computer recognizes it's moonday today. busy and slow.



Above_All -> RE: Messianic Fellowship - Nisan 5768 (5/13/2008 4:11:56 AM)

Anyone else notice how nasty people can get when there's a full moon?[&:]

Anyhoo, I've been lagging in my Parashah readings. I'm so way back that I'm at my own pace now. lol

So does anyone here, in addition to Shabbat service, attend a Christian service as well? I am finding that I would like to but can't cause of my schedule. Despite the ignorance of many Christian churches on their Hebraic roots, they do teach well on living as a believer. I find that practical, yet Spirit filled teachings are still helpful, even necessary to the Gentile believer. Gentiles still benefit from the Christian church. This makes me think about a few Gentiles who actually live and think completely like a Jew. While we should understand our Hebraic roots and follow them for our benefit there are some who actually live as if they are Jewish. How do you feel about this? To what extent should we do this and is trying to lose our identities as Gentiles right in the eyes of the L-rd?

I personally feel that being grafted in doesn't make us Jewish. Paul spoke to Gentiles as separate peoples and referred to us as Gentiles. Just like a marriage. We become one with our spouse but we are still two separate people...a man and a woman. Marrying my fiance doesn't make me a man! lol!



Bluethread -> RE: Messianic Fellowship - Nisan 5768 (5/13/2008 12:08:00 PM)

The problem with your analogy is that those who are genetic decendents of Israel are our sibligs not our spouses. It is true that siblings differ due to their personalities. However, as adopted children we are now part of the household of Israel and need to follow the rules of the house. That is the real rules not those that our siblings might wish to impose on us for their own purposes. Adoption is a difficult thing and circumcision (heart or flesh) is a painful to endure. It is less painful if we submit to The Moil(Ruach Ha Chedosh) at the mikvah(baptism) but unfortunately many of us stretch the brit malah(circumcision) out over many years.



Lapidoth -> RE: Messianic Fellowship - Nisan 5768 (5/13/2008 12:55:27 PM)

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Anyone else notice how nasty people can get when there's a full moon?


When I was growing up I had more trouble sleeping during a full moon. lol.
I always felt I was sensitive to the magnetic fields. As a kid, I believed everything is possible.

Here at work, when the customers get real nasty on the phones, we laugh because it seems
to always be during a full moon. You'll hear in the other cubicles, "It must be a full moon."



LBolt -> RE: Messianic Fellowship - Nisan 5768 (5/13/2008 10:33:53 PM)

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Anisavta:I kinda think it was a blessing that I was "delievered" from that black hole by the hand of the Admin.


Is that why you don't blog there anymore? LOL!



Above_All -> RE: Messianic Fellowship - Nisan 5768 (5/13/2008 11:36:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bluethread

The problem with your analogy is that those who are genetic decendents of Israel are our sibligs not our spouses. It is true that siblings differ due to their personalities. However, as adopted children we are now part of the household of Israel and need to follow the rules of the house. That is the real rules not those that our siblings might wish to impose on us for their own purposes. Adoption is a difficult thing and circumcision (heart or flesh) is a painful to endure. It is less painful if we submit to The Moil(Ruach Ha Chedosh) at the mikvah(baptism) but unfortunately many of us stretch the brit malah(circumcision) out over many years.


I don't quite understand what you are saying blue. I didn't imply rule following. I am talking about our identities as either Jew or Gentiles. Following the same "rules" doesn't make us the same in terms of our identities. I would not tell people that I am a Jew because I am not. I am grafted in as a Gentile but I am not a Jew. The very essence of our identities.



Bluethread -> RE: Messianic Fellowship - Nisan 5768 (5/14/2008 12:42:58 PM)

I do not say I am Jew or Gentile. If pressed, I would say that I am a child of Adonai, as are my sibling regardless of their earthly anchestry. The only difference is that those who are genetically children of the promise have, hopefully, been taught and lived under the promise from birth. Those of us born outside the promise have to unlearn our arbitrary lifestyles and learn Adonai's ways.



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Lapidoth -> RE: Messianic Fellowship - Nisan 5768 (5/19/2008 2:10:50 PM)

Shalom my dear family.

How was everyone's weekend?
I bought some outdoor furniture and we had
others over yesterday for a picnic. It was like
having an extended Sabbath. Got to discuss
the events of Sabbath service in more detail.

Sorry, I'd offer everyone left-over potato salad,
but there weren't any left-overs. lol.



Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Messianic Fellowship - Nisan 5768 (5/19/2008 2:42:21 PM)

My weekend went beyond remarkable. Wow.



wshepherd -> RE: Messianic Fellowship - Nisan 5768 (5/19/2008 2:48:12 PM)

Abiyah, care to elaborate?



narnia -> RE: Messianic Fellowship - Nisan 5768 (5/19/2008 4:12:19 PM)

Really Abiyah, don't leave us hanging!

I've been enjoying the fine spring weather with my blessing. We truly had spring this year, which was nice. But now spring is over-temps in the 90s and above from now until.....

Above All,

When we first started attending our Messianic congregation we did every other week-one week at the Messianic congregation, one week at church. Otherwise we found it was too much to do both every week, and no time left to do other things-work on the house, etc...

Now we just stick with the Mesianic congregation. I am thinking of signing up my blessing for some VBS's this summer and I will listen to some church teachings on the internet.



Covaan_Meshuga -> RE: Messianic Fellowship - Nisan 5768 (5/19/2008 7:18:24 PM)

I should not have written anything. I am sorry. I have simply had a hard time keeping this to myself, and I need to. I am so sorry.



LBolt -> RE: Messianic Fellowship - Nisan 5768 (5/20/2008 9:14:28 AM)

I experienced my first Pesach yesterday, seeing I missed it in the month of Nisan, I was truly blessed. To think our Jewish brethren have been doing this for years and could not see Christ?



Lapidoth -> RE: Messianic Fellowship - Nisan 5768 (5/20/2008 3:17:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LBolt

I experienced my first Pesach yesterday, seeing I missed it in the month of Nisan, I was truly blessed. To think our Jewish brethren have been doing this for years and could not see Christ?


From some of my studies my understanding is that some of the feasts may have been
changed (day wise) so that the Messiah could not be seen.
whether it's true or not, it sounds reasonable.

Such as Shavuot is to land on the first day after a weekly sabbath,
but I think my calendar has it on a Monday this year. And I've heard
the arguments of changing days so as not to fall on the Sabbath itself.
But Scripture is Scripture. And the other is what it is. lol.

Anywho,
I'm enjoying this week also.
Others wouldn't enjoy it, but I have gotten my zero-turn rider going again,
mowed the yards and fields. Yesterday I got my Lawn Boy push going again
that has been down for 2 or 3 years. Did some detail mowing. Pulled the cover
off the pool now that the sun has been out for a day or two. lol. Got the pumps
hooked back up. Still have a week of cleaning so the grandkids can use the pool. lol.

I enjoy getting things done. Mostly because I haven't had the motivation or the
health to do them in so long. To much tribulation and sickness. lol.

Have Torah study tonight, so I will have to spend the hours after work getting ready
for the Sabbath lessons. It takes me three hours each week to make manuscripts
of the lessons. Three more months to go and then back to regular study. lol.

Glad to hear everyone had a good Sabbath and a good week so far.



LBolt -> RE: Messianic Fellowship - Nisan 5768 (5/20/2008 3:23:22 PM)

I see you are back at in the "Lawless" thread. LOL

I wonder how many more times you'll have to repeat yourself by answering the exact same questions? [X(] LOL

Glad to hear from you in the threads.



drussell52 -> RE: Messianic Fellowship - Nisan 5768 (5/21/2008 8:40:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: graftedintoo

Thank you for answering.

I am not Messianic but we have some family members (all gentile) that now are. They joined a Messiancic synagogue in their area. Where should I go on the forum?

I guess I am looking for some kind of support as our daughter and her family have totally withdrawn from the rest of the family unless they need something. As Christians, they say we just don't get it anymore. The kids now think they are Jewish, told my husband he would die if he had to work on Shabbat, have corrected us numerous times that we are not supposed to be calling our saviour Jesus, that we should not be eating certain foods...and stuff like that. We were not invited to their home for Thanksgiving or Christmas (they celebrate both) and our daughter never calls her father anymore. No honor to him. Our daughter posts on her blog about Jewish things and Jewish holidays but never mentions Yeshua. We have, in the past, always enjoyed a close relationship with them, in and out of church. We have not tried to talk with them about it. We have not tried to influence their decisions. We have just been watching the changes and it has been rather painful to be rejected in all this.

I have read a lot about Messianic Judaism since this began and believe I understand it. It's this reaction in our gentile family members that puzzles me. This has not created unity in our family. Just the opposite. I know you don't know why these particular people have rejected us but I was hoping that maybe you have had some experience with this type of thing or maybe have known others that this has happened to. I have seen your participation on this site and hoped you might have some wisdom you could share with me.

If this is the wrong thread, can you direct me, please, where this topic would be better suited?

Thank you so much.

Shalom all. I haven't been here for a few days due to other things demanding my time. Graftedin, welcome aboard and hi to the rest of you folks. Bluethread nudged me back here when I got into the law discussion, and reminded me indirectly that fellowship with those of like interest is most beneficial to all or any. I went back to Messianic Safe Haven, a yahoo group, am singing a Steve McConnell song this Sunday at church, Lord We Delight In Your Shabbat, starting to advertize the hebrew roots fall study group in a couple newsletters locally, and have recently been encouraged by messages by Daniel Lancaster of Beth Immanuel Sabbath Fellowship, www.bethimmanuel.org based in Minnesota. He also writes for First Fruits of Zion, ffoz.org. Thanks for your prayers friends, God is merciful and his redeeming is ongoing, praise HaShem!! David



Lapidoth -> RE: Messianic Fellowship - Nisan 5768 (5/21/2008 12:02:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LBolt

I see you are back at in the "Lawless" thread. LOL

I wonder how many more times you'll have to repeat yourself by answering the exact same questions? [X(] LOL

Glad to hear from you in the threads.


I guess I'll always be a lurker.
I avoided it for years, but it seemed to be the time to venture into the abyss. lol.

I may repeat myself to newbies, but doubt I'll be doing much repeating to the
same old crowd. lol. I'll probably be your "amen" corner. lol.



ta_mosquito -> RE: Messianic Fellowship - Nisan 5768 (5/21/2008 2:42:04 PM)

(butting in to say...)

I'm linking to this thread in a post in Introductions. But it got me wondering - wasn't there a full moon this past weekend? Doesn't that mean it's a new month?

Does someone wanna start a new MF thread?



Fritzpw_Admin -> RE: Messianic Fellowship - Nisan 5768 (5/21/2008 3:13:16 PM)

The full moon is not the new moon.



ta_mosquito -> RE: Messianic Fellowship - Nisan 5768 (5/21/2008 3:34:32 PM)

Oh! Oops.

But then, there has been a New Moon since April 6th when this thread started, hasn't there? [;)]



Fritzpw_Admin -> RE: Messianic Fellowship - Nisan 5768 (5/21/2008 4:45:27 PM)

My understanding it is just a chat thread.

I don't think it necessarily has to be rotated out every month.



Lapidoth -> RE: Messianic Fellowship - Nisan 5768 (5/21/2008 4:55:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Fritzpw_Admin

My understanding it is just a chat thread.

I don't think it necessarily has to be rotated out every month.


That would make it a tradition.
lol.



drussell52 -> RE: Messianic Fellowship - Nisan 5768 (5/21/2008 5:18:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lapidoth

quote:

ORIGINAL: LBolt

I see you are back at in the "Lawless" thread. LOL

I wonder how many more times you'll have to repeat yourself by answering the exact same questions? [X(] LOL

Glad to hear from you in the threads.


I guess I'll always be a lurker.
I avoided it for years, but it seemed to be the time to venture into the abyss. lol.

I may repeat myself to newbies, but doubt I'll be doing much repeating to the
same old crowd. lol. I'll probably be your "amen" corner. lol.

Hi all, back again as things are quiet at the yahoo group. To graftedin, sounds like you have some family that have taken things to extremes asserting your hubby will die if he works on the Sabbath, we should call Jesus Yeshua, and dietary instructions need to be observed.
Perhaps they are zealous being new to this expression of faith, hopefully in time, they will simmer while remaining seriously committed to our LORD.
I think you can find some helpful resources at www.tnnonline.net, and browse their FAQ section. Topics are arranged by alphabetical order and in general seem balanced. Also, see their link called torah scope, and read the commentary for I think it's Leviticus 11, about food. From either their FAQ or torah scope, you'll get insight into yourself, our Lord, and your family.

If you can talk to the family remind them we are all saved by faith, and over time we become more and more obedient as our love grows for the Savior. Sounds like they have it reversed.
I don't attend a messianic congregation either but daily am being more and more what the Savior wants me to be but have a long long way to go yet and am 55 years old.. My faith has been enriched though since discovering the Hebrew roots of our faith, and since Jesus/Yeshua made a commitment to me, I want to do the same, deciding daily to do so.
We here, speaking for the rest of the forum, will pray with you for you and your family. Don't expect change overnight though and your watchfulness though painful, is admirable, keep it up!
David



ofthewaytoo -> RE: Messianic Fellowship - Nisan 5768 (5/21/2008 5:18:31 PM)

Erev Tov!

I am a new member here and wanted to introduce myself. I am not quite sure where I will fit in but thought "Why not the Messianic Section". Someone also pointed me this way. I guess my Shalom gave me away. LOL! I am neither Jew nor Gentile. lol, so bare with me. My Grandfather change our religion when he married a gentile, so I am one of those confused beings that have lost their way or found it! LOL. I guess it make me only a child of G-d. I have become comfortable with the label Zionist though I do not understand people and the labels. I have enjoyed reading some of the Topics in the other folders but am cautious of joining in. So, anyway, here I am.

Kol Tuv
Renee



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