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RE: 400 children in custody in polygamist compound raid - 4/30/2008 10:58:33 PM
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Jenny-Fair
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If all the men cooperated with DNA...it shouldn't be too hard to find the child rapists of the 14-17yr old girls who are pregnant or have already given birth.
How about the poor girls who haven't gotten pregnant yet?
So, do you have to show the warrant, by law, or just have one? And who-all deserves to see it? Property owners, or anyone involved, or who?
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RE: 400 children in custody in polygamist compound raid - 5/1/2008 9:07:20 AM
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Children are allowed to remain in homes where drug abuse is occurring, where they are 'babysat' by televisions blasting MTV and God knows what else, eating Cheetos and Fruit Rollups all day long and brushing their teeth every leap year.
If someone had the wherewithal to report these families, CPS could go in and investigate. People fault CPS for investigating and for not investigating. Have you ever helped CPS by reporting suspected neglect or abuse?
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RE: 400 children in custody in polygamist compound raid - 5/1/2008 9:59:18 AM
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First of all, there was a warrant.
It does not seem like it was shown though. It is in one of the videos the link of which I provided above. You can see the soldier saying there is a warrant but when the woman asks to see it she is denied that right.
I couldn't get the video link to work. I don't know how it is in Australia, but when a search is conducted here, there is typically one copy of the warrant. The one copy is typically carried by the lead investigator. IOW, there isn't a copy in the hand of every single officer.
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RE: 400 children in custody in polygamist compound raid - 5/1/2008 11:41:25 PM
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I saw on the O Reilly factor tonight that several of the boys have been sexually abused as well as having broken bones. Now when I first heard about the broken bones I though well they are boys they are rough but the person Bill was interviewing said that some of the boys were toddler and preschool. I used to feel really bad for those kids being taken away from their mothers but another thing I found out is that the kids are not allowed to even bond with their mothers. They do this so that the kids will grow up to be loyal to the cult rather then a parent. In that case I would think that it is not as hard on the children to just be with different people.
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RE: 400 children in custody in polygamist compound raid - 5/2/2008 5:40:31 AM
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I do not know for sure, but if a crime is in progress, a search warrant is not necessary, with probale cause. I feel no pity for the civil rights of these people who hurt kids. I hope they are prosecuted and put in prison.
Just cause they're wrong doesn't me that your being wrong is justified, it's actually quite hypocritical. Revenge belongs to the Lord and offcials are there to ensure the law not to break it when they feel it is justified.
Civil rights are a part of the law and ought to upheld for everyone, not just those whoo keep the law, the law deserves no merit, it is God's rule and shouldn't be broken.
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So, do you have to show the warrant, by law, or just have one? And who-all deserves to see it? Property owners, or anyone involved, or who?
Anyone who is under investigation is allowed to see it and should be shown it if they are ask.
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RE: 400 children in custody in polygamist compound raid - 5/2/2008 8:06:14 AM
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I used to feel really bad for those kids being taken away from their mothers but another thing I found out is that the kids are not allowed to even bond with their mothers.
That is so sad. Those poor kids. I hope they can grow up and have a normal life.
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RE: 400 children in custody in polygamist compound raid - 5/2/2008 9:07:52 AM
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I used to feel really bad for those kids being taken away from their mothers but another thing I found out is that the kids are not allowed to even bond with their mothers.
I found that interesting too.
It is like the commune my family was part of. Babies from 6 weeks on up spent the huge majority of their day under the care of others, either in the "baby house" or with the "watch" (who made rounds during communal suppers and meetings). Had something like this happened in that community, sure they would have missed their moms and dads, but they would have coped very well and actually been very comfortable in a group home. If the FLDS had a similar setup, then I don't think the kids are quite as traumatized as they're made out to be by the group.
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RE: 400 children in custody in polygamist compound raid - 5/2/2008 9:44:36 AM
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Where are the teenage boys from the compound, I have seen or heard of some prepubecest boys, but not teens or young men?
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RE: 400 children in custody in polygamist compound raid - 5/2/2008 10:38:57 AM
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Where are the teenage boys from the compound, I have seen or heard of some prepubecest boys, but not teens or young men?
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We have all of them. There were several dozen of them. They're all here together.
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RE: 400 children in custody in polygamist compound raid - 5/2/2008 10:42:53 AM
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The girl that gave birth to the baby this week was 15 or 16 years old. This is her second child. The other child is nearly two.
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RE: 400 children in custody in polygamist compound raid - 5/2/2008 11:05:35 AM
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That is because they are kicked out, so older men can have young girls. " Lost Boys", how perverted is that?
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Where are the teenage boys from the compound, I have seen or heard of some prepubecest boys, but not teens or young men?
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RE: 400 children in custody in polygamist compound raid - 5/2/2008 12:02:00 PM
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Yes, let me clarify that we have all of them that were in the compound at the time of the raid. Many more are banished, for lack of a better word.
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RE: 400 children in custody in polygamist compound raid - 5/2/2008 12:05:01 PM
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Another word would be kicked to the curb, with no resouces, or formal training, job skills, money, and shunned. Do not see how foster care could be worse.
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Yes, let me clarify that we have all of them that were in the compound at the time of the raid. Many more are banished, for lack of a better word.
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RE: 400 children in custody in polygamist compound raid - 5/2/2008 12:09:25 PM
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Another word would be kicked to the curb, with no resouces, or formal training, job skills, money, and shunned. Do not see how foster care could be worse.
I can actually promise the boys we have up here will be well taken care of and will have the opportunity to be very successful as adults. The group home where they are staying is a Christian home and has a longstanding reputation for excellence. I know several guys whose lives were turned around after arriving and they are now good, successful, stable, Christian men. (This place takes all kinds of kids; it's not exactly foster care. I don't know how to explain it better than that.)
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RE: 400 children in custody in polygamist compound raid - 5/2/2008 12:12:28 PM
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It is going to be a long, hard road, though. I know it's a bit of a blessing that they didn't bond with their parents, but on the other hand, if a child doesn't bond young, it's hard for them to learn how later on.
I'd take three or four of those kids...especially to keep sibs together. Poor babies. 
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RE: 400 children in custody in polygamist compound raid - 5/2/2008 12:17:15 PM
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You are a wonderful person doing what you do.
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Another word would be kicked to the curb, with no resouces, or formal training, job skills, money, and shunned. Do not see how foster care could be worse.
I can actually promise the boys we have up here will be well taken care of and will have the opportunity to be very successful as adults. The group home where they are staying is a Christian home and has a longstanding reputation for excellence. I know several guys whose lives were turned around after arriving and they are now good, successful, stable, Christian men. (This place takes all kinds of kids; it's not exactly foster care. I don't know how to explain it better than that.)
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RE: 400 children in custody in polygamist compound raid - 5/2/2008 1:07:49 PM
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Jenny-Fair
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I wonder how old her 'husband' is.
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RE: 400 children in custody in polygamist compound raid - 5/2/2008 1:28:04 PM
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Which makes her at most 14 when her first was concieved. Which is on the lower end of 'acceptable' even in the promiscuous secular world that encourages teen sex.
Not "acceptable" according to Texas Law-which has the age of consent at 17. If the so-called "husbands" of these girls are 18 and over....Then quite a few of these perverted men could well see some jail time. (As they should.....)
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RE: 400 children in custody in polygamist compound raid - 5/2/2008 1:30:24 PM
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Jenny-Fair
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I think Maggie meant 'acceptable' as in the opinions of the society we live in..which does encourage sexual activity fairly young.
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RE: 400 children in custody in polygamist compound raid - 5/2/2008 1:50:40 PM
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funny-my state doesn't encourage sexual behavior between 14yr olds and middle-aged men.
And I live in a liberal state.
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RE: 400 children in custody in polygamist compound raid - 5/2/2008 1:58:21 PM
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funny-my state doesn't encourage sexual behavior between 14yr olds and middle-aged men.
And I live in a liberal state.
I think she just meant that in the most liberal instances of our secular society, even 14 would be considered young, no matter how old the partner.
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RE: 400 children in custody in polygamist compound raid - 5/2/2008 2:01:33 PM
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You still don't get it...we aren't saying the GOVERNMENT, we are saying the SOCIETY. They are not the same thing. In our society, on TV, in schools, among the people, kids are encouraged to be sexual.
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