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RE: It's almost time, Get ready! - 5/3/2008 9:14:29 PM
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vixir
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I too, am struggling with my inner-demons. There are certain things that I find myself falling back into, and my reasoning for it is simple, yet not excusable. But there comes a day that we need to figure out what is more important to us. Our relationship with God, or these sins that seem to be holding us back? By choosing these things, whether they are drugs, pornography, premarital sex, etc... you are putting them before God and that's not right. But they are still personal struggles, and God knows that we aren't perfect. And even if we strive to be perfect, we will always find these things dragging us down. The simple fact is that we cannot be addicted to pornography, drugs, etc. and still have a close relationship with God, if any at all. It just doesn't work that way. Repenting to God is the first step. The second would be to get some help if you're addicted to drugs and/or pornography, and continue to pray for God to give you the strength to walk away from these temptations; whatever they may be. Because as a Christian, you are in a constant battle for your life. Satan and his "warriors" are always out there, and the lives that they truly want are those that belong to God. Just remember, that God is the light and the way. And as long as you trust Him, things will always work out in the end. But you need to have that trust. Because you cannot help someone when they don't trust you.
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RE: It's almost time, Get ready! - 5/4/2008 4:40:45 PM
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This morning I was searching the scriptures regarding the times Jesus said would come. Having grown up in the US when Sunday was a day of rest and grocery stores weren't open nor the clothing stores. I felt so safe. Now we know and hear of God revealing more and more heaven and hell.
What is the last trumpet call? I'll have to look it up.
When heaven and hell become a reality, there won't be any room for disobedience. I won't let my love grow cold. Persecution is rising. It's already crossed the borders and entered our government gates. God help us to stand watch and be ready for His soon return.
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RE: It's almost time, Get ready! - 5/4/2008 11:50:07 PM
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I know... and there are times where I feel peace of mind and comfort in my heart, because I know that God is and always will be in control. But ever since I was a little girl, I have always been afraid of death. I'm only 23 years old and I'm still afraid of dying. The unknown of when I will go, how I will go and if I will feel pain while I'm passing; it just scares me more than words can explain. So to think of everything bad that will happen during the end times, needless to say, keeps me up at night. And then I think of my son. What will happen to him? He's only two years old! My mind tends to escape me, when my real focus should clearly be on God. Not on the tribulation... I just don't really know how to control my fear.
I should probably just stay away from the end times forum, lol. 
The scripture says, "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved." It's really important for you to know Him. Jesus told us to not be alarmed that these things must come to pass. He said for us to not be afraid. His perfect love will cast out all fear. Trust your God to guide your every step. Love your son and teach him the ways of God. Help him to know your God. Your deep love, hope, and faith in God will sustain you. What happens in this earth will determind your future for eternity. So we may suffer here in this brief life, but heaven is awaiting our homecoming.
LOOK WHAT I FOUND!!!!
1 Corinthians 15:52
"in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed."
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RE: It's almost time, Get ready! - 5/5/2008 4:36:36 AM
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This election could be the last election in history. There are so many bad people running for president.
There's only one that could fit this description. All words in color are mine. Yes, I am deciphering words that I see.
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, on the Pacific Ocean, the beach and saw a man rise up out of the sea, come from Hawaii having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, being white, black, african, kenyan, european(Roman), african american, moslem, christian, atheist and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the man which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the man. HOW did he make it this far?
Rev 13:4 And the fans worshipped the Devil which gave power unto the man: and they (supporters)worshipped the man, saying, Who is like unto the Devil? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things gives good speeches and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. Shot in 3 1/2 years by some racist after he becomes president
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy a atheist turned ?Christian against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
We have also never had people tested Jewish by their DNA and go to Israel, like the South African Lembas.
Zep 3:10 From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering.
Zep 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.
Hebrew is spoken again in Israel.
We have alot of money in US. I don't know if I would call them blessings.
Money don't buy your way into Heaven.
WE have to hold onto Jesus no matter the time, no matter what we see going on, He told us about it. We know He is coming soon jsut looking at the news everyday.
1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
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RE: It's almost time, Get ready! - 5/5/2008 9:46:19 AM
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The one thing that has stuck out to me in the news, was the food prices. There's news of rice and certain grains that are rising in a couple of foreign Country. Do you think this is part of the inflation that is in Revelations? I've also noticed that when going grocery shopping (at wal-mart) several of their shelves have been almost bare. Obviously, when comparing them to how many items they really have, it doesn't seem like a lot. But it does concern me. Perhaps there's a food shortage that I'm not aware about? Because it has been this way every week that I've been there for a little over a month now (I normally shop on Fridays) -- and at all three locations. What's your take on this?
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RE: It's almost time, Get ready! - 5/5/2008 10:23:28 AM
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Ok, going along with the first beast Rev. 13
this man is killed by a racist something akin to Abe Lincoln's killer or JFk's killer or Malcolm x;s killer , the Nation of Islam. there is a race war, people will not repent of it, start killing, everyone gets the follow the herds , or I need to defend my self from those Mexicans/Moslems/black/white people or take pride in their group and I have got to protect him... there is killing , rioting, burning, like we see everyday on the TV, bombs, gun, violence..Christians are talking back they need to "take back America" So they join in the melee
the 2nd beast comes in by military rule, he has the power from Homeland Security Bill and Patroit ACt to lock people up without court, call them terrorists, keep them indefiantely.
while the war was going on...stores burned, looted, no one shows up to work for fear of the violence, people nervous, scared, shooting at shadows, gangs running over, hate to it's highest.
NOW to get the food
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
you must take the mark of the beast(verichip) to buy and sell food.
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RE: It's almost time, Get ready! - 5/5/2008 4:08:36 PM
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I'm not sure about the verichip. It does sound very scary and quite similar to what is stated in Revelations. Because apparently, the Government is looking into forcing the public to have this chip. A few states have made laws to prohibit the forcing of this chip. I also read that although the implant is usually done in the bicep of your forearm, some people have actually put it in their hand to make it "easier". Plus, in a Baja beach club, this chip is used to buy drinks. Freaky, huh?
We'll just have to wait and see. I definitely won't be getting this implanted in any part of my body.
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RE: It's almost time, Get ready! - 5/6/2008 12:31:04 PM
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This election could be the last election in history. There are so many bad people running for president.
There's only one that could fit this description. All words in color are mine. Yes, I am deciphering words that I see.
If you are going to decipher words wouldn't it make more sense to use the definitions Scripture provides rather then just guessing what things mean?
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Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, on the Pacific Ocean, the beach
Doesn't Scripture tell us that the sea is "peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tounges?"
Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. Show me Scriptural justification for saying the sea is the pacific ocean?
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and saw a man
What Scripture says a beast is man? Doesn't Scripture tell us a beast is a kingdom? Dan 7:23 "Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth..."
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rise up out of the sea, come from Hawaii
What verse says the beast comes from Hawaii? Once again shouldn't we use the definition the Scriptures give us for sea? What Scriptural justification is there to say Hawaii?
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having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, being white, black, african, kenyan, european(Roman), african american, moslem, christian, atheist
Where is your Scriptural justification for this statement? Please show the book, chapter and verse that says crowns are "being white, black, african, kenyan, european(Roman), african american, moslem, christian, atheist"
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and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the man
Once again where is the Scriptural justification to change the definition Scripture has given from a kingdom to a man? When I say a beast is a kingdom it is because Scripture says a beast is a kingdom. Dan 7:23 "Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth..." Can you show me a verse that says a beast is a man? If not then why do you say the beast is a man?
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which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the man. HOW did he make it this far?
Once again where is your Scriptural justification to change the definition of beast from a kingdom to man?
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Rev 13:4 And the fans
The fans? Scripture says they in reference to all the world so now all the world means fans? Please show us the verse in Scripture that says all the world means fans? If there is no verse then what is this theory based on?
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worshipped the Devil
Finally something that can be verified by Scripture! Yes the dragon is the devil.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
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which gave power unto the man: and they (supporters)worshipped the man,
Once again where is your Scriptural justification to change the Scriptural definition of a beast from a kingdom to a man? Dan 7:23 "Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth..."
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saying, Who is like unto the Devil?
So now a beast is the devil? Make up your mind, in your opinion is the beast the devil or man? Why are you saying a beast is the devil here but everywhere else you say the beast is a man? Is the devil a man? What Scriptural justification is there to change the definition of beast from kingdom to devil? What Scriptural justification is there to change the definition of the devil from a dragon to a beast? Scripture says a beast is a kingdom. Dan 7:23 "Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth..." When I say a beast is a kingdom I can show Scripture that says a beast is a kingdom can you show me a verse that says the devil is a beast?
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who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things gives good speeches and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. Shot in 3 1/2 years by some racist after he becomes president
Where do the Scriptures say this? Nothing in the Scriptures say anything about someone being shot after "3-1/2 years by some racist after he becomes president"? I don't see any Scripture at all that supports this, what is this theory based on(book chapter and verse please)? If iyour interpretation can not be supported by Scripture then why should we believe your interpretation? Any body can change the words in Scripture to something else but that does not mean the changes made will be correct. JMHO but I don't think we have the liberty of changing the words in Scripture to fit our doctrine, but instead we should change our doctrine to fit Scripture.
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Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy a atheist turned ?Christian against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Is there anything in Scripture that says this an atheist turned Christian? If so book, chapter and verse please? Hard to believe a Christian would commit blasphemey, sounds more like something a wolve in sheeps clothing would do.
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We have also never had people tested Jewish by their DNA and go to Israel, like the South African Lembas.
Zep 3:10 From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering.
Zep 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.
Hebrew is spoken again in Israel.
We have alot of money in US. I don't know if I would call them blessings.
Money don't buy your way into Heaven.
Guesswork theology won't get us there either. Let's base our beliefs on a sound hermeneutic study of the Scriptures not a bunch of Scripturally bankrupt drivel based on guesswork theology. 2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Let's place our faith in the Lord Jesus, and study to show ourselves approved based on a sound hermeneutic study of the Scriptures instead of just guessing at what we think the Scriptures mean.
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RE: It's almost time, Get ready! - 5/6/2008 1:00:50 PM
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Doesn't Scripture tell us that the sea is "peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tounges?"
Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. Show me Scriptural justification for saying the sea is the pacific ocean? I inserted because this man comes from HAWAII that is in the Pacific Ocean!
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What Scripture says a beast is man? Doesn't Scripture tell us a beast is a kingdom? Dan 7:23 "Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth..."
there's usually a ruler, leader, king of kingdoms.
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Where is your Scriptural justification for this statement? Please show the book, chapter and verse that says crowns are "being white, black, african, kenyan, european(Roman), african american, moslem, christian, atheist"
the 7 heads, and 10 horns, count them, how many can identify with BO that we know of. I gave list.
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Once again where is the Scriptural justification to change the definition Scripture has given from a kingdom to a man? When I say a beast is a kingdom it is because Scripture says a beast is a kingdom. Dan 7:23 "Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth..." Can you show me a verse that says a beast is a man? If not then why do you say the beast is a man
ruler of this kingdom, a beast, a man
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The fans? Scripture says they in reference to all the world so now all the world means fans? Please show us the verse in Scripture that says all the world means fans? If there is no verse then what is this theory based on?
supporters, Fans, they that worship, call them what you want.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast.
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So now a beast is the devil? Make up your mind, in your opinion is the beast the devil or man?
the word used is dragon, devil. What do you call him,satan, in the Bible, several different words to dsescribe him
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Let's place our faith in the Lord Jesus, and study to show ourselves approved based on a sound hermeneutic study of the Scriptures instead of just guessing at what we think the Scriptures mean
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Money don't buy your way into Heaven.
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Guesswork theology won't get us there either.
This not guesswork you think you can buy your way into Heaven?
OK
I have. Check all the facts listed. " I will call my daughters back from beyond the riveers of Ethiopia, "South AFrican Lembas, check it out.
check ut when Hebrew is and was spoken, what countries did not aloow Hebrew to be taught, spoken, some countries like England banned Jews for 300 years. Check it out.
now those same englishmen came to America and became what?
A CURSED NATION!
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RE: It's almost time, Get ready! - 5/6/2008 2:54:12 PM
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Please excuse me while I go out for a larger grain of salt.
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RE: It's almost time, Get ready! - 5/6/2008 3:29:35 PM
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I really believe that the Feast days are very vital key to when He'll return. Don't know which one but if He was born on one of the feast days, died and resurrected on one of those feast days, sent the Holy Ghost on one of the Feast days. I'm very inclined to think it'll be on a Feast day, IMO.
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RE: It's almost time, Get ready! - 5/6/2008 3:35:46 PM
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Tracydolls, with all due respect I don't believe that BO is the AntiMessiah. AntiMessiah is probably a muslim leader in the locale of the Middle East. Syria seems to be a good place but it's somewhere in the Middle East. Not the USA.
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RE: It's almost time, Get ready! - 5/7/2008 12:12:11 AM
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Doesn't Scripture tell us that the sea is "peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tounges?"
Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. Show me Scriptural justification for saying the sea is the pacific ocean? I inserted because this man comes from HAWAII that is in the Pacific Ocean!
Not according to Scripture. Scripture says the beast came from the sea.Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. Scripture tells us a beast is a kingdom Dan7:23 "Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth..." So IE what Rev13:1 says, is that a kingdom rises from the sea, not a man from Hawaii.
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What Scripture says a beast is man? Doesn't Scripture tell us a beast is a kingdom? Dan7:23 "Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth..."
there's usually a ruler, leader, king of kingdoms.
But the verse did not say the leader of the kingdom is the beast it says that a beast is a kingdom.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
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Where is your Scriptural justification for this statement? Please show the book, chapter and verse that says crowns are "being white, black, african, kenyan, european(Roman), african american, moslem, christian, atheist"
the 7 heads, and 10 horns, count them, how many can identify with BO that we know of. I gave list.
What difference does it make how many you can line up with BO, nothing Scriptural here just assumption. If it is Scripturally sound then why not provide book chapter and verse from the Bible (or a Scripturally sound hermeneutic study) that says crowns are "being white, black, african, kenyan, european(Roman), african american, moslem, christian, atheist"
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once again where is the Scriptural justification to change the definition Scripture has given from a kingdom to a man? When I say a beast is a kingdom it is because Scripture says a beast is a kingdom. Dan 7:23 "Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth..." Can you show me a verse that says a beast is a man? If not then why do you say the beast is a man
ruler of this kingdom, a beast, a man
Once again the Scripture says the beast is a kingdom, not the ruler here is the verse again;
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
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The fans? Scripture says they in reference to all the world so now all the world means fans? Please show us the verse in Scripture that says all the world means fans? If there is no verse then what is this theory based on?
supporters, Fans, they that worship, call them what you want.
You can call them what you what, JMHO but I see no reason to call them anything besides what the Scriptures call them.
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saying, Who is like unto the Devil?
So now a beast is the devil? Make up your mind, in your opinion is the beast the devil or man?
the word used is dragon, devil. What do you call him,satan, in the Bible, several different words to dsescribe him
Then why in POST #29 did you replace the word beast with devil in one part of the verse and then in another part of the same verse replace the word beast with man ? Let's look at the verse:
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Are you saying the dragon and the beast are the same? Surely not. Besides Scripture says a beast is a kingdom, not man or the devil. Once again See Dan7:23
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Money don't buy your way into Heaven.
Guesswork theology won't get us there either.Let's place our faith in the Lord Jesus, and study to show ourselves approved based on a sound hermeneutic study of the Scriptures instead of just guessing at what we think the Scriptures mean
This not guesswork
you think you can buy your way into Heaven?
OK
I never said you could, nor did I mply that, so why try to imply that is what I said? maybe you should reread what I said, let me quote myself :
"Guesswork theology won't get us there either. Let's base our beliefs on a sound hermeneutic study of the Scriptures not a bunch of Scripturally bankrupt drivel based on guesswork theology. 2Ti 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." Let's place our faith in the Lord Jesus, and study to show ourselves approved based on a sound hermeneutic study of the Scriptures instead of just guessing at what we think the Scriptures mean" quote taken from post #33
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I have. Check all the facts listed. " I will call my daughters back from beyond the riveers of Ethiopia, "South AFrican Lembas, check it out.
check ut when Hebrew is and was spoken, what countries did not aloow Hebrew to be taught, spoken, some countries like England banned Jews for 300 years.
Check it out.
now those same englishmen came to America and became what?
Those Englishman (and many imigrants form other nations) became citizens of a British colony that became another nation that is now called the United States nothing more, nothing less and certainly not Babylon.
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A CURSED NATION!
JMHO but it could go either way, time will tell. How do you know America is a cursed nation? I believe that is God's call not yours or mine. Even if it is a cursed nation what makes it any different then the multitude of other cursed nations from the past, present and future?
be blessed and may God bless your studies! As you are led friend as you are led!
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RE: It's almost time, Get ready! - 5/9/2008 12:20:18 PM
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WOW!!! Some of you obviously have been studying your bibles. But some of you have drawn your own scenario's out of the air. I would suggest you be very careful about drawing conclusions without a theological premise. I dated a girl once who told me what she beileved in. It was all fairy tale. She had no basis for any of her beliefs. I asked her how she arrived at this belief. She said " It's just what I believe." Some people will die believing "just what they want to believe". It's important your belief's are grounded in the Word.
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RE: It's almost time, Get ready! - 5/11/2008 12:32:28 PM
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What I don't understand is why the forum moderators allow such unbiblical garbage to be posted. Thank you Midwest for pointing it out for what it is. Allowing posts like tracydolls' is helping lead people astray. It is one thing to make a mistake, but when you continue despite the clear teachings of Scripture..... Please read Revelation 22: 18-19.
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RE: It's almost time, Get ready! - 5/15/2008 3:53:43 PM
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I cant beleive I am doing this but I am goint support tracydolls on this one....I never had looked at Mr obama in that way, and there is certian sense to it. I do however agree with some of the other posters that some of the direct bibical connections are a bit of stetch, but it is a intriguing notion. to think that an american preisdent could be the AC
And No I dont't think obama is the AC....but who is to say that he is NOT?
as for tsnoddy- the reason she is able to post this "garbage" as you call it is becasue she is person entiltled to her opnions and her beliefs, as for leading people astray, I perosnally think that the pre-tribbers are for worse and more dangerous, but they are allowed to post thier commenst and beliefs that are unbibical, should their post be denied?
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RE: It's almost time, Get ready! - 5/15/2008 5:31:58 PM
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MrFribbles
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as for leading people astray, I perosnally think that the pre-tribbers are for worse and more dangerous, but they are allowed to post thier commenst and beliefs that are unbibical, should their post be denied?
First off, I want to let ya' know that I'm not personally a pre-tribulationist, so I'm not defending the belief out of some... Personal conviction. Heh, I'm personally not sure where I fall on that whole issue. But anyhow.
Unlike the pre-tribulationists, tracydolls has taken a passage of Scripture and made wild conclusions. The Apostle John had never even heard of the Pacific Ocean, let alone Hawaii. Obviously, John may have seen some things that he didn't fully comprehend, but there is no exegetical reason to believe John was referring to the things tracy says. Not to say her views are impossible - but it is not healthy to present such views as fact (which is how I took her post, but perhaps I was mistaken?), since they have very, very little grounding in the word of God.
The pre-tribulationists, however, base their view on a viable interpretation of Scripture. It's an interpretation you obviously don't agree with, but it's certainly stronger than saying Mr. Obama must be the anti-christ.
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RE: It's almost time, Get ready! - 5/15/2008 5:48:01 PM
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So, does this mean that Obummer has replaced Javier Solana as Antichrist-of-the-year?
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RE: It's almost time, Get ready! - 5/15/2008 10:43:32 PM
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So, does this mean that Obummer has replaced Javier Solana as Antichrist-of-the-year?
If you make five years in a row, you get a trophy.
I need to look back on these forums and make a list of all the proposed Antichrists, just as a curiosity.
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RE: It's almost time, Get ready! - 5/16/2008 12:46:27 AM
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Tracydolls, with all due respect I don't believe that BO is the AntiMessiah.
Ok, well most scholars think European, I think BO with European in him.
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If it is Scripturally sound then why not provide book chapter and verse from the Bible (or a Scripturally sound hermeneutic study) that says crowns are "being white, black, african, kenyan, european(Roman), african american, moslem, christian, atheist"
So you need for them to be listed out for you in the Bible?
What other leader has so many identities tied to him?
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Allowing posts like tracydolls' is helping lead people astray
Freedom of speech.
WhaT IF IT IS TRUE?
Your watching it on TV. America will not be healed of her racism.
Jeremiah says Babylon will not be healed.
It's hard for people that love this world and America to see it.
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And No I dont't think obama is the AC....but who is to say that he is NOT?
Hi, I used where he is beast in Rev. 13.
(which is how I took her post, but perhaps I was mistaken?),
No I do not use as a fact, but my beliefs, I clearly said that.
throw Oprahs' false prophecy with it.
You think I want it to be BO? The first black man to come this close. With my flesh, I feel proud! And when I think of Oprah I want to cry.
With my soul I feel sad. When I think about what is coming, you guys don't feel the anger and racism building, I got friends who watch the White Supremists sites, they are building, they know whats coming.
Too bad Christians don't. A race war. the spirit of war.
I could be wrong like the next person. I study the Bible.
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RE: It's almost time, Get ready! - 5/16/2008 12:17:57 PM
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as for leading people astray, I perosnally think that the pre-tribbers are for worse and more dangerous, but they are allowed to post thier commenst and beliefs that are unbibical, should their post be denied?
First off, I want to let ya' know that I'm not personally a pre-tribulationist, so I'm not defending the belief out of some... Personal conviction. Heh, I'm personally not sure where I fall on that whole issue. But anyhow.
Unlike the pre-tribulationists, tracydolls has taken a passage of Scripture and made wild conclusions. The Apostle John had never even heard of the Pacific Ocean, let alone Hawaii. Obviously, John may have seen some things that he didn't fully comprehend, but there is no exegetical reason to believe John was referring to the things tracy says. Not to say her views are impossible - but it is not healthy to present such views as fact (which is how I took her post, but perhaps I was mistaken?), since they have very, very little grounding in the word of God.
The pre-tribulationists, however, base their view on a viable interpretation of Scripture. It's an interpretation you obviously don't agree with, but it's certainly stronger than saying Mr. Obama must be the anti-christ.
No I agree,I think her bibical supports are very faulty, I was just supporting her ability to speak her conclusions, I was using the pre-tribbers more as a comparsion....but your right Iam probly straying into "troll" country in this forum by mention them in that way
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RE: It's almost time, Get ready! - 5/16/2008 12:59:48 PM
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No I agree,I think her bibical supports are very faulty, I was just supporting her ability to speak her conclusions, I was using the pre-tribbers more as a comparsion....but your right Iam probly straying into "troll" country in this forum by mention them in that way
Well, if that was all your intent, then I apologize if my reply seemed... A little harsh? I hope you weren't upset by it. And I agree that she should be able to discuss her views here. But, quite frankly, I find them absurd, and an abuse of Scripture, and part of freedom of speech is the ability to accept the possibility of taking criticism for whatever you put out there for the public to read.
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RE: It's almost time, Get ready! - 5/16/2008 1:10:37 PM
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tracydolls
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Well, if that was all your intent, then I apologize if my reply seemed... A little harsh? I hope you weren't upset by it. And I agree that she should be able to discuss her views here. But, quite frankly, I find them absurd, and an abuse of Scripture, and part of freedom of speech is the ability to accept the possibility of taking criticism for whatever you put out there for the public to read.
LOL. No problem with me. It's my story and I'm sticking it to it.
I see BO as Rev. 13.
I see this country melting into race war.
No body's interpretation of Bible is 100% perfect.
This is my own. What's yours?
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