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CherishedbyGod -> McCain/Rice (4/9/2008 7:11:58 PM)

A number of months ago I posted that I thought Condi Rice should run for president.

Now I am reading of rumors that she is in the running for McCain's VP.

Do you think it will happen?

How much of a change in the race do you think it would bring, if any.

I personally really like and admire her. She is one tough cookie!



ken1906_4 -> RE: McCain/Rice (4/9/2008 10:24:58 PM)

I give Dr. Condoleezza Rice a lot of props for her accomplishments. She's the most powerful black woman in american government so that's nothing to turn your nose at.

Unfortunately I disagree with her politics and her unyeilding loyalty to Bush. People are going to take into heavy consideration of her connection to the failures of this administration. McCain has attempted to distance himself from the Bush Administration, so to have a loyal Bushite in Dr. Rice as a running mate would do more to hurt McCain than help.


To answer the questions, no and no



CherishedbyGod -> RE: McCain/Rice (4/9/2008 10:46:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ken1906_4

I give Dr. Condoleezza Rice a lot of props for her accomplishments. She's the most powerful black woman in american government so that's nothing to turn your nose at.

Unfortunately I disagree with her politics and her unyeilding loyalty to Bush. People are going to take into heavy consideration of her connection to the failures of this administration. McCain has attempted to distance himself from the Bush Administration, so to have a loyal Bushite in Dr. Rice as a running mate would do more to hurt McCain than help.


To answer the questions, no and no
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Thank you for posting due respect to her by addressing her as Dr. Condoleezza Rice...I really appreciate that.



henny -> RE: McCain/Rice (4/10/2008 1:28:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ken1906_4
Unfortunately I disagree with her politics and her unyeilding loyalty to Bush. People are going to take into heavy consideration of her connection to the failures of this administration. McCain has attempted to distance himself from the Bush Administration, so to have a loyal Bushite in Dr. Rice as a running mate would do more to hurt McCain than help.


My thoughts exactly.

She'd do nothing to combat the Dem's inevitable accusations that McCain will be more of the same.



stamper_ben -> RE: McCain/Rice (4/10/2008 7:57:59 AM)

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She'd do nothing to combat the Dem's inevitable accusations that McCain will be more of the same.
They're already doing that.



csl7037 -> RE: McCain/Rice (4/10/2008 8:09:00 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ken1906_4

I give Dr. Condoleezza Rice a lot of props for her accomplishments. She's the most powerful black woman in american government so that's nothing to turn your nose at.

Unfortunately I disagree with her politics and her unyeilding loyalty to Bush. People are going to take into heavy consideration of her connection to the failures of this administration. McCain has attempted to distance himself from the Bush Administration, so to have a loyal Bushite in Dr. Rice as a running mate would do more to hurt McCain than help.


To answer the questions, no and no



Unfortunately (or fortunately??) I don't think the vast majority of Americans would even understand or bother to take the time to understand your point here. Maybe I'm overly cynical but it seems to be that Obama's very existence on the National stage proves that nobody's thinking really hard about this election.

My concern with Rice was always that it would be seen as pandering: "I see your black man and I see your woman; I raise you one black woman!" But I think he could probably even get away with it so why not? I know somebody's going to say "vote third party for ___________" (that we've never heard of who's really not qualified either) but I don't see any good options there either. We're doing to the least of all evils with this election. And maybe that's better. Nobody will be going into it expecting McCain to do anything brilliant for conservatism or anything else just to be disappointed like with GWB. I'd support McCain and Rice, or McCain and Bozo the Clown, at this point as our only chance of maybe not being a socialist country (or any more so) in four years. I don't think it matters.



lightshineon -> RE: McCain/Rice (4/10/2008 8:47:12 AM)

I think she is great! Smart, determined, and takes no bull. She reminds me of most black women.



henny -> RE: McCain/Rice (4/10/2008 11:36:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stamper_ben

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She'd do nothing to combat the Dem's inevitable accusations that McCain will be more of the same.
They're already doing that.

Yes, but having a key member of the Bush administration as second in command would give them a lot more ammunition.

One of McCain's biggest selling points is that he isn't Bush, he'll have to play that up.



Jhud -> RE: McCain/Rice (4/10/2008 12:32:52 PM)

I hate to be cynical here, but if Rice is considered it will have less to do with her talents and intelligence, which appear to legion, and more to do the fact that she will provide a counter to the liberal attraction of a first woman/black in executive office.

And because she is both, she will obviously provide an option for division we now see in the Democratic party over the issue.

In addition, she will be able to say things about Barak Obama that the very white John McCain could not without being accused of being racist.



HighPlainsDrifter -> RE: McCain/Rice (4/10/2008 12:39:07 PM)

I respect and admire Dr. Rice, but I don't think McCain would be particularly politically astute in asking her to be his running mate.



CherishedbyGod -> RE: McCain/Rice (4/10/2008 1:17:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ken1906_4

I give Dr. Condoleezza Rice a lot of props for her accomplishments. She's the most powerful black woman in american government so that's nothing to turn your nose at.

Unfortunately I disagree with her...unyeilding loyalty to Bush.



I always have believed that loyalty to one's boss is a good thing[&:]



cog41 -> RE: McCain/Rice (4/10/2008 1:18:48 PM)

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In addition, she will be able to say things about Barak Obama that the very white John McCain could not without being accused of being racist.



Very few things. She has endured segregation,church bombings etc. and earned her way to the top,but to most middle aged blacks(30-50)<who have only read about segregation and the civil rights mvt she ain't black enough.

I like Secretary Rice a great deal. But I believe she'll be seen as a prop or tool just to gain the presidency. People wont see her true achievments and qualifications.



CherishedbyGod -> RE: McCain/Rice (4/10/2008 1:24:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cog41

I like Secretary Rice a great deal. But I believe she'll be seen as a prop or tool just to gain the presidency. People wont see her true achievments and qualifications.


The media would make certain of that[:@]



Evangel70 -> RE: McCain/Rice (4/10/2008 1:27:46 PM)

Condoleeza has already publically stated (several times, as a matter of fact) that she has no interest in pursuing a political career once her tenure is over. I agree with other posters that Ms. Rice's devotion and loyaty to the Bush administration would be detrimental to McCain's presidential campaign as it will solidify the "3rd Bush term" perception.

IMO, unless something changes dramatically with the economy or with Iraq, there is little McCain can do to win this election (except perhaps make sure that Hilary becomes the democratic nominee).[8D]



lightshineon -> RE: McCain/Rice (4/10/2008 1:28:59 PM)

She is somethinjg, she gets up and exercises at 4:30 in the morning. She has class, and nobody gets her flustered. Go Condi!



CherishedbyGod -> RE: McCain/Rice (4/10/2008 1:35:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Evangel70

Condoleeza has already publically stated (several times, as a matter of fact) that she has no interest in pursuing a political career once her tenure is over.



Haven't you heard that one before[;)] Many polititians say the same thing but then turn around and do run for office....

The reason this thread started was a story on CNN "Political Ticker" yesterday I was reading about the possibility, and her protestings against pursuing a politcal career were alot more muted than in the past[:D]



HighPlainsDrifter -> RE: McCain/Rice (4/10/2008 1:37:23 PM)

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IMO, unless something changes dramatically with the economy or with Iraq, there is little McCain can do to win this election


Hmm...that sentiment isn't being reflected in any polling. McCain is far ahead of either of the two Democrats right now, even in places such as New York and California. When the democrat is behind in New York, it's pretty bad.



inthysite -> RE: McCain/Rice (4/10/2008 2:54:26 PM)

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My concern with Rice was always that it would be seen as pandering: "I see your black man and I see your woman; I raise you one black woman!"


This is exactly what this would be seen as and the liberal media would not let people forget it.

I also agree with the opinion that McCain needs to distance himself from the current administration. Not that I don't like Bush, I think he has done a lot of good for this country (and I also believe he has made some mistakes). But you already hear the Democrat's mantra of "Bush's 3rd Term!"

As to whether or not McCain can win I don't see how he can lose if he continues with what he is currently doing. With Hillary insisting on fighting to the end she is sure to do major damage to the Democratic Party that may not be able to be fixed for several years.

Once we hit the general election you will definitely see the flaws of Obama's policies. The conservative media will not let people forget that he is the most liberal candidate to ever run for president.

One problem I do see that will probably plague McCain is that he has several lobbyist campaigning for him and contributing financially to his political fund.

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I'd support McCain and Rice, or McCain and Bozo the Clown


Bozo For Prez![sm=icon_smile_yikes.gif]



tracydolls -> RE: McCain/Rice (4/10/2008 6:09:33 PM)

Naw,

Ms. Rice needs to go and sit down somewhere, go back to teaching.

Most Black poeople I talk to do NOT like her. I don't think that vote would go that way because of her.

I forgive but can never forget her doing Katrina.



cow451 -> RE: McCain/Rice (4/10/2008 7:01:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CherishedbyGod

quote:

ORIGINAL: ken1906_4

I give Dr. Condoleezza Rice a lot of props for her accomplishments. She's the most powerful black woman in american government so that's nothing to turn your nose at.

Unfortunately I disagree with her...unyeilding loyalty to Bush.



I always have believed that loyalty to one's boss is a good thing[&:]

Depends on whether one's boss is worthy of that loyalty. In this case that loyalty could be a sign of weakness.



CherishedbyGod -> RE: McCain/Rice (4/10/2008 7:25:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cow451

quote:

ORIGINAL: CherishedbyGod

quote:

ORIGINAL: ken1906_4

I give Dr. Condoleezza Rice a lot of props for her accomplishments. She's the most powerful black woman in american government so that's nothing to turn your nose at.

Unfortunately I disagree with her...unyeilding loyalty to Bush.



I always have believed that loyalty to one's boss is a good thing[&:]

Depends on whether one's boss is worthy of that loyalty. In this case that loyalty could be a sign of weakness.


Who of us is worthy? As a born-again Christian, I know that none of us are worthy....

Worthy in whose estimation? Yours or mine or hers?



inthysite -> RE: McCain/Rice (4/11/2008 12:18:41 AM)

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One problem I do see that will probably plague McCain is that he has several lobbyist campaigning for him and contributing financially to his political fund.


Is quoting myself narcissistic? Or is arguing with myself a sign of mental illness?

Just a correction here, I just learned that McCain refuses to take money from any lobbyist so I misspoke earlier (hey if Hillary and Barack can do it so can I [:D])



45degreeN -> RE: McCain/Rice (4/15/2008 3:24:55 PM)

Taking a position as the vice president would be a step down for Dr. Rice. It can be one of the most frustrating positions in all of American government, waiting for the president to die is depressing otherwise the only time they vote in the senate is when there is a tie and how often does that happen, rarely.



TomTurn -> RE: McCain/Rice (4/15/2008 3:39:46 PM)

He would do better to select Romney. Due to age, McCain is possibly a one termer



colliefan -> RE: McCain/Rice (4/15/2008 3:44:09 PM)

McCain needs to appoint a Washington outsider. Perhaps a current/former governor (Huckabee or Romney}



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