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RE: Democrats vs Pregnant Women - 4/13/2008 9:07:41 AM
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rlj
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The only misrepresentation I could think of is the one where the mom thinks she can get an abortion just because the name says crisis pregnancy center.
Actually after some further looking the misrepesentation is that for the total of maybe 5 or 6 times where I could probably say misrepresentation or dishonesty occurred it gets trumpeted from the mountain tops and snowballs into something that it isn't.
Not that I would know by the rhetoric I hear from some on the pro-life side who instead of making a topic out of this misrepesentation decides to make a topic out of the Bloody Baby Butchers of the Democratic Party or some such inane nonsense.
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RE: Democrats vs Pregnant Women - 4/13/2008 10:43:17 AM
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Not that I would know by the rhetoric I hear from some on the pro-life side who instead of making a topic out of this misrepesentation decides to make a topic out of the Bloody Baby Butchers of the Democratic Party or some such inane nonsense.
It's mostly the Democratic Party that insists on abortion as a right. Look at the outcome. It isn't pretty, but bloody because a life has been taken. The truth of what an abortion is can't be hidden forever.
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July 11, 1996
POLITICS: THE PLATFORM;Democrats Draft Abortion Plank Proclaiming 'Party of Inclusion'
By ANDREW ROSENTHAL
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Today, the White House circulated to both sides of the debate a proposed draft platform that would reaffirm the Democrats' strong support for keeping abortion legal, as well as the party's belief that the right to have an abortion is guaranteed by constitutional privacy protections, and contained the inclusive language.
"The Democratic Party stands behind the right of every woman to choose, consistent with Roe v. Wade, and regardless of ability to pay," the draft language offered by the White House said. It added: "We believe it is a fundamental constitutional liberty that individual Americans -- not government -- can best take responsibility for making the most difficult and intensely personal decisions regarding reproduction."
A committee charged with actually writing the platform will not begin its work until after a hearing on the platform, which began in Kansas City today.
But Mr. Fowler told reporters at the hearing today that he believed that "the platform will make it clear we are the party of a woman's right to choose and we are a party of inclusion."
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RE: Democrats vs Pregnant Women - 4/13/2008 12:47:07 PM
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Bear in mind that society's that sacrificed their children to Molech, God destroyed. Remember Genesis 4:10 "The voice of your brother's blood is crying to Me from the ground." So today the blood of these most innocent victims murdered today cries out to God for justice. He has heard their cries and His justice will be final with the unrepentant murders. He does not delay because He disregards them but that the murderers may repent and be saved. Unfortunately that not only doesn't seem to be happening much but they use the law to protect themselves and attempt to silence those opposed to this bloody business. Unfortunately for them they are heaping up their sin and hardening their hearts. They won't repent or admit what they do is not only wrong but evil. The payment for their sin will be more than they are able to pay. God have mercy on them.
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RE: Democrats vs Pregnant Women - 4/13/2008 4:35:23 PM
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Democrats are to abortion what they were to slavery. That's their choice, manifestly obvious by their actions.
Margaret Sanger, the founder of the abortion company Planned Parenthood, believed that charity shoud be banned. Apparently some in the abortion party believe that if you provide clothing, shelter, pre-natal care, food, and counseling to women looking NOT to abort their children, then that charitable organization should be put out of business. The one down the street that chops up the unborn, should be subsidized by the government. Sickos.
If anyone thinks that there is some sort of equivalency between the abortion industry and pro-life cause in regards to honesty, then they should pray for wisdom and discernment.
Without lies, the abortion industry would be speechless. Jane Roe herself told of how her case was built on lies. Dr. Barnard Nathanson, founder of NARAL, has written of how they easily spread lies about abortion that a willing press printed joyfully. The debate to keep partial-birth abortion was full of lies. They lied about it's usefulenss, it's frequency, and the baby's ability to feel pain.
They so love abortion and are so comfortable lying that they will eagerly sacrafice women's health if it means protecting abortion. During the original partial-birth abortion debates, liberals spread lies that the baby didn't feel pain because she died peacefully from anesthesia given to the mother.
Anesthesiologists urgently testified before Congress that this was a lie. The baby doesn't die and she doesn't get anesthesia. How many mothers heard the liberals lie and refused their own surgery because Democrats told them it would kill their baby? Sickos.
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RE: Democrats vs Pregnant Women - 4/14/2008 6:00:49 AM
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rlj
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Bear in mind that society's that sacrificed their children to Molech, God destroyed.
Abortion has been going on since the 1st century and probably earlier.
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RE: Democrats vs Pregnant Women - 4/14/2008 10:38:22 PM
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rlj
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One quick question - is this going to be filibustered if it makes it that far or not? I have some more thoughts to and I believe that the Centers are really getting a raw deal - you were right when you implied that Steph.
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RE: Democrats vs Pregnant Women - 4/14/2008 10:48:47 PM
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Well Jesus had alot to say about children, he loved them, and rocks around peoples necks, and angles looking into the face of God, if someone is hurting little ones, he blessed them, a cup of water and rewards. Get it? He loves children, and destroying them just does not please him, and overlooking it for economic reasons just curses ourselves. I mean how much does money mean to people? I am talking those who say, well if we votet this party we will over-look abortion, because we will recieve more wealth. Greed, which the Lord has alot to say about also.
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RE: Democrats vs Pregnant Women - 4/14/2008 11:17:26 PM
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ORIGINAL: rlj
One quick question - is this going to be filibustered if it makes it that far or not? I have some more thoughts to and I believe that the Centers are really getting a raw deal - you were right when you implied that Steph.
It could be filibustered depending on who's up for reelection. One of my Sinators says she's pro-life at home because most of her constituents are staunchly pro-life but will vote the opposite in non reelection years. PP and NARAL do not want the centers to stay in operation because many are getting the high tech 4-D ultrasounds and when you see just how well developed a first trimester baby is minds are changed.
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RE: Democrats vs Pregnant Women - 4/15/2008 5:58:57 AM
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rlj
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PP and NARAL do not want the centers to stay in operation because many are getting the high tech 4-D ultrasounds and when you see just how well developed a first trimester baby is minds are changed.
That was something I was ignorant about. These Crisis Pregnancy Centers are getting that kind of technology now? If they are that definately sounds like a clinic.
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RE: Democrats vs Pregnant Women - 4/15/2008 3:55:42 PM
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rlj
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The more I think on this and based on what I have read I believe that a few(as in I can count them on one hand) incidences have been blown up to drive this legislation. If the things that those who want this legislation passed so bad were as rampant as they implied (lying, falsely advertising, etc.) the Pregnancy Centers would already be shut down they would be irrelevant. This isn't the case because one of the big complaints that the critics have of them is they keep growing. I remember one incidence I read about a "fake clinic". So I did a search on "fake abortion clinic". It was page after page of the exact same occurence. Coincidentally that one incident in 2006 seems to have made it to this legislation based on the "spin" applied to it.
This isn't really the place for it but how come I am not surprised that the party who is pro choice and makes a big deal about it is consistent to that part of their plank yet the party who claims to be pro-life might not be able to get 40 senators or approximately 83% of their senators to block this bill, it is just sad. I miss Bob Dole sometimes he was an artisan at bottling up legislation that he didn't want to get through.
I don't believe this issue is about the democratic party. It's about people and their hearts. How many people actually make money off of abortions? What percentage of the democratic party does? I would guess it is rather miniscule. The people who are pro-abortion most likely have some problems with who they serve. The vast majority of people who are pro-choice aren't politicians, they aren't in the medical field they are just normal people who have their own selfish reasons for wanting this to be legal and chances are they've never had and never will have an abortion. If my numbers are wrong I'm sure LJ will correct me, lol.
Quickly I wanted to point out something to Steph. I don't know that I have ever known of anyone who has such an excellent knowledge of what their elected representatives believe and more importantly how they vote. I wonder what kind of country we'd have if everyone was like that? I don't believe that voter apathy would be a problem. ; )
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RE: Democrats vs Pregnant Women - 4/15/2008 6:00:32 PM
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ljmac
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ORIGINAL: rlj
The more I think on this and based on what I have read I believe that a few(as in I can count them on one hand) incidences have been blown up to drive this legislation. If the things that those who want this legislation passed so bad were as rampant as they implied (lying, falsely advertising, etc.) the Pregnancy Centers would already be shut down they would be irrelevant. This isn't the case because one of the big complaints that the critics have of them is they keep growing. I remember one incidence I read about a "fake clinic". So I did a search on "fake abortion clinic". It was page after page of the exact same occurence. Coincidentally that one incident in 2006 seems to have made it to this legislation based on the "spin" applied to it.
This isn't really the place for it but how come I am not surprised that the party who is pro choice and makes a big deal about it is consistent to that part of their plank yet the party who claims to be pro-life might not be able to get 40 senators or approximately 83% of their senators to block this bill, it is just sad. I miss Bob Dole sometimes he was an artisan at bottling up legislation that he didn't want to get through.
I don't believe this issue is about the democratic party. It's about people and their hearts. How many people actually make money off of abortions? What percentage of the democratic party does? I would guess it is rather miniscule. The people who are pro-abortion most likely have some problems with who they serve. The vast majority of people who are pro-choice aren't politicians, they aren't in the medical field they are just normal people who have their own selfish reasons for wanting this to be legal and chances are they've never had and never will have an abortion. If my numbers are wrong I'm sure LJ will correct me, lol.
Quickly I wanted to point out something to Steph. I don't know that I have ever known of anyone who has such an excellent knowledge of what their elected representatives believe and more importantly how they vote. I wonder what kind of country we'd have if everyone was like that? I don't believe that voter apathy would be a problem. ; )
Virtually all Democrat legislators make money off abortion. Campaign donations aren't a source of personal wealth, but are a source of their political power.
The Democrats are much more pro-abortion than Republicans are pro-life. The Presidential candidates offer an excellent example. All Democrats were pro-abortion even to the point that they want partial-birth abortions. The one exception might be Senator Biden, who voted for the ban, but backtracked during the primary. Republicans on the other hand had life long pro-lifers, recent converts, and at least one life long pro-abortionists. Sadly, the prominent Republican pro-abortion candidate, Guiliani, was more pro-life than the least pro-abortion Democrat. There was no overlap between the parties.
Closing CPCs must be hung on Democrats. This kind of nastiness doesn't get done without them.
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