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unclemonkey -> RE: Evolution is WRONG, scientific PROOFS! (4/13/2008 8:53:43 AM)

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but its always fascinating to peer inside someone's head who's so disconnected with reality.

I didn’t realize you were so self-enamored.

You see how the creation 'scientists' lie to you yet monkey?

I am not the one who bought the lie that circular reasoning is “empirical evidence”.



iluvatar -> RE: Evolution is WRONG, scientific PROOFS! (4/14/2008 7:14:29 PM)

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Yes, Dan, it basically boils down to "my scientists are better than your scientists" when we get into these mindless games of who's right in interpreting the evidence.


It only boils down to that if you refuse to step back and take an objective look at the evidence and the proposed interpretations. While you and I and most other people aren't going to have the same understanding of the material that an expert w/ a PhD would, we're still capable of looking at the arguments and making a reasonable judgment as to who's got more supporting evidence. With the arguments presented in this particular lecture series, I think it's pretty obvious.

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Evolution is unfalsifiable because it's all about origins philosophy and nothing about observational science. The bottom line is not one shred of observational evidence exists for UCD and myriads of observations argue powerfully against it! And you have no "correction" to that simple fact.


That may be - I generally refrain from arguing about evolution because I know very little about evolution and about biology in general. What I do know is that the two sermons I listened to didn't really even address biological evolution, except to quote Hoyle's calculated probabilities of evolution occurring (which is more of a mathematics argument). These lectures incorrectly attribute arguments from astronomy and astrophysics to biology & evolution.

-Dan.



mcp -> RE: Evolution is WRONG, scientific PROOFS! (4/16/2008 11:04:13 PM)

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Was it the lack of lunar dust?
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I did read some of the studies around the lunar landing predictions a long while ago, but can't remember all the predictions/modelling that occurred on the issue before we landed on the moon. Scientists' concern was reduced on the matter before 69. AIG rightly addressed this was not a universal prediction at that time (deep/fluffy moon dust).

I haven't posted on this site in a long time. But I have read some recent threads including this one. I too believe that many conclusions on evolution are suspect, but I haven't been on the forefront of many of the arguements in quite a while; even with occasionally browsing talkorigins, AIG, ICR, etc. IMO, it is hard even for a biologist or physicist to get too involved on the arguments of other disciplines. Actually, having known plenty of people in their respective fields, they seem to struggle with their own discipline because they tend to specialize. But all in all, we have to base our world view on limited understanding (limited knowledge of the evidence and the proper interpretations of this evidence) or shape our arguments/understanding on an accepted worldview.


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These lectures incorrectly attribute arguments from astronomy and astrophysics to biology & evolution.


Assuming I am addressing the same Kennedy discussion you were- As to using cosmological or geological points to reflect on biological theory (or vice versa), there are relevant connections. The evol. model has to coordinate dating of both; empirical evid is used for fine-tuning/corrections as it were (dated strata/dated fossils or earth cooled enough/life starts). The model has to unify; that cross discussion is why the concern for circular reasoning may play too big a role in evolution.


Not to get off topic, but who would know of a spritsail skiff and its tie to the promised land?[:)]



unclemonkey -> RE: Evolution is WRONG, scientific PROOFS! (4/17/2008 3:53:36 AM)

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Not to get off topic, but who would know of a spritsail skiff and its tie to the promised land?

Could it have anything to do with Morehead City, NC?



DanJames -> RE: Evolution is WRONG, scientific PROOFS! (4/17/2008 10:31:33 AM)

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Not to get off topic, but who would know of a spritsail skiff and its tie to the promised land?

Could it have anything to do with Morehead City, NC?


You can't be from NC... are you?



mcp -> RE: Evolution is WRONG, scientific PROOFS! (4/17/2008 10:44:06 AM)

Born and Bred....

Could "fisherman's paradise" and the surrounding beauty be evidence of intellegent design? Some would disagree saying we only like sunsets, marlin, and live oak trees cause our survival instincts inbred us to like our surroundings; those who didn't are likely to have been bred out or still live in Northern Europe... I joke- Europe is beautiful country too. Been there, enjoyed that.

-Of course, fish mills reflect the curse of Adam.



PromiseLander -> RE: Evolution is WRONG, scientific PROOFS! (4/17/2008 12:46:46 PM)

Cool, you know of Morehead City? (Less Hair) ... I'll give you a minute on that one.

Yep, I was born and raised in the Promise Land of Morehead City, NC. At the end of South 12th street actually. I was even married in the Methodist Church of the Promise Land there.

That Spritsail Skiff is a boat that was designed and used in the shallows of Bogue Sound (my old back yard) from the early 1900's.

Ahhh, I miss that place so much. Living in Georgia I can't even pretend to smell salt. You ain't living until you go to sleep to the sound of crashing surf and are greeted every morning by salt spray on your face.



DanJames -> RE: Evolution is WRONG, scientific PROOFS! (4/17/2008 12:47:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PromiseLander

Cool, you know of Morehead City? (Less Hair) ... I'll give you a minute on that one.

Yep, I was born and raised in the Promise Land of Morehead City, NC. At the end of South 12th street actually. I was even married in the Methodist Church of the Promise Land there.

That Spritsail Skiff is a boat that was designed and used in the shallows of Bogue Sound (my old back yard) from the early 1900's.

Ahhh, I miss that place so much. Living in Georgia I can't even pretend to smell salt. You ain't living until you go to sleep to the sound of crashing surf and are greeted every morning by salt spray on your face.

Please don't break out in song. Oh, heck let's break out in song!



PromiseLander -> RE: Evolution is WRONG, scientific PROOFS! (4/17/2008 12:53:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PromiseLander

Cool, you know of Morehead City? (Less Hair) ... I'll give you a minute on that one.

Yep, I was born and raised in the Promise Land of Morehead City, NC. At the end of South 12th street actually. I was even married in the Methodist Church of the Promise Land there.

That Spritsail Skiff is a boat that was designed and used in the shallows of Bogue Sound (my old back yard) from the early 1900's.

Ahhh, I miss that place so much. Living in Georgia I can't even pretend to smell salt. You ain't living until you go to sleep to the sound of crashing surf and are greeted every morning by salt spray on your face.

Please don't break out in song. Oh, heck let's break out in song!



Well, if I would I could, but I can't sing - I just make a joyful noise... [:D]
Hey, if you've never been to the Promise Land then you just can't understand - You can Google pictures of the place all day long, but they never do justice to actually living there.



PromiseLander -> RE: Evolution is WRONG, scientific PROOFS! (4/17/2008 12:54:58 PM)

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Not to get off topic, but who would know of a spritsail skiff and its tie to the promised land?

Could it have anything to do with Morehead City, NC?



Incidentally, how in the world did you know about Morehead City?



mcp -> RE: Evolution is WRONG, scientific PROOFS! (4/17/2008 1:58:02 PM)

It's on my birth certificate wherever that is...

...Childhood on 18th and 15th off of Shackleford street. No real need for A/C; tradewind right off the water through my window at night (OK, maybe most still need an A/C to remove the 100% humidity). I was the poor kid drifting on a 10 knot ebbtide out to the sea bouy while trying to get my outboard restarted.

Should we start a MHC sub-forum?[;)]



unclemonkey -> RE: Evolution is WRONG, scientific PROOFS! (4/17/2008 2:50:12 PM)

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You can't be from NC... are you?

No, but I was stationed at MCAS Cherry Point for a couple of years in the early 1970s.



unclemonkey -> RE: Evolution is WRONG, scientific PROOFS! (4/17/2008 3:10:48 PM)

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Incidentally, how in the world did you know about Morehead City?

I don't imagine they still have the bumper cars at Atlantic Beach do they? Did they ever spruce up Ft. Macon and make a decent park of it?
Ain't been there in 30 some years, but I do have some fond memories of the area.



PromiseLander -> RE: Evolution is WRONG, scientific PROOFS! (4/17/2008 3:41:56 PM)

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Incidentally, how in the world did you know about Morehead City?

I don't imagine they still have the bumper cars at Atlantic Beach do they? Did they ever spruce up Ft. Macon and make a decent park of it?
Ain't been there in 30 some years, but I do have some fond memories of the area.



Nah, they got rid of the Circle at Atlantic beach... I guess they didn't want kids to have anything to do on a Friday night. Last I heard it's all condos now. Fort Macon looks great though - they've even got sheetrocked walls in many of the rooms and have displays up that represent Civil War and WW2. The point is still one of the best place to go fishing in the county.

(We're really hijacking the thread now, but it's my thread and I don't care...[:D] )

Well, if you were stationed at Cherry Point you may actually know my dad - he was the supervisor of the cryogenics shop there for 40 some odd years, then went back to work for RAYTHEON after he retired... Couldn't get enough of turning wrenches I guess. [;)]



unclemonkey -> RE: Evolution is WRONG, scientific PROOFS! (4/17/2008 5:46:27 PM)

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Well, if you were stationed at Cherry Point you may actually know my dad - he was the supervisor of the cryogenics shop there for 40 some odd years,

I was just a wrench bender assigned to the GSE shop in H&MS-20. I didn’t know anyone who worked in Cryo.

I would like to see what they have done with Ft. Macon. The Ft. Macon I recall wasn’t much more than a run down ruin.



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