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So their denial is ok, but one of the holocaust isn't? Talk about your double-standards...

What are you talking about?

Whatever some 1st century Jews said about Jesus is irrelevant to the historical reality of the holocaust.

I think he is talking about the denial by the Jewish people that Jesus is the Messiah but like you said it's irrelevant. The only problem with that comparison is that Jews don't deny Jesus existed whereas holocaust naysayers say that tragedy was media fabrication.

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Actually it's worse, they deny who Jesus is... In the long run a person is better off denying the holocaust...

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I just think it's ironic that the JDL will sue people for denying something given what they would deny... That's all, no biggie... The Jews of today still deny Jesus(right?) and if they could wouldn't they attempt to have him put to death for his great sin?

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I just think it's ironic that the JDL will sue people for denying something given what they would deny... That's all, no biggie... The Jews of today still deny Jesus(right?) and if they could wouldn't they attempt to have him put to death for his great sin?

I don't think any Jews alive today even enforce OT laws, and not all the Jews during the time of Christ wanted Him put to death - so no.

None of this of course has anything to do with the reality of the holocaust.

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I guess the holocaust in this country regarding the unborn clouds my vision... The one pile of dead bodies is so much bigger... Hard to get all worked up over 6 million when you are trying to look over 40,000,000 and counting... And we can't blame the Nazis... We are the country of life, liberty and the... ya right...

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I just think it's ironic that the JDL will sue people for denying something given what they would deny... That's all, no biggie... The Jews of today still deny Jesus(right?) and if they could wouldn't they attempt to have him put to death for his great sin?

I don't think any Jews alive today even enforce OT laws, and not all the Jews during the time of Christ wanted Him put to death - so no.

None of this of course has anything to do with the reality of the holocaust.

I guess the holocaust in this country regarding the unborn clouds my vision... The one pile of dead bodies is so much bigger... Hard to get all worked up over 6 million when you are trying to look over 40,000,000 and counting... And we can't blame the Nazis... We are the country of life, liberty and the... ya right...

John

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Actually it's worse, they deny who Jesus is... In the long run a person is better off denying the holocaust...

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I just think it's ironic that the JDL will sue people for denying something given what they would deny... That's all, no biggie... The Jews of today still deny Jesus(right?) and if they could wouldn't they attempt to have him put to death for his great sin?

I don't think any Jews alive today even enforce OT laws, and not all the Jews during the time of Christ wanted Him put to death - so no.

None of this of course has anything to do with the reality of the holocaust.

I guess the holocaust in this country regarding the unborn clouds my vision... The one pile of dead bodies is so much bigger... Hard to get all worked up over 6 million when you are trying to look over 40,000,000 and counting... And we can't blame the Nazis... We are the country of life, liberty and the... ya right...

John

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Union defends 'anti-Christian' teacher

Allie Martin - OneNewsNow - 5/1/2008 11:00:00 AM

A federal judge has allowed the California Teachers Association to become involved in a case that accuses a high school history teacher of making anti-Christian remarks during class time. The judge allowed the teacher's union to defend the Capistrano School District and high school history teacher, Dr. James Corbett. The school and the teacher are being sued by Chad Farnan, a student in Dr. Corbett's Advanced Placement European history class.

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As noted above, the injunctive relief sought is specifically targeted not just to Corbett, but to all “Defendants, their agents, servants, employees, officials, or any other person acting in concert with them.” (FAC, p. 11.) This indisputably involves other teachers as affected employees within the District, and therefore involves the Unions’ members. - source: Motion Hearing Minutes page 4

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Update - the motion hearing order has finally been posted. The motion, which was granted, was to allow the teachers union to intervene in the case.

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Update - the motion hearing order has finally been posted. The motion, which was granted, was to allow the teachers union to intervene in the case. The plaintiff's achilles heel here was their own plea for relief:

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As noted above, the injunctive relief sought is specifically targeted not just to Corbett, but to all “Defendants, their agents, servants, employees, officials, or any other person acting in concert with them.” (FAC, p. 11.) This indisputably involves other teachers as affected employees within the District, and therefore involves the Unions’ members. - source: Motion Hearing Minutes page 4

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Update - the motion hearing order has finally been posted. The motion, which was granted, was to allow the teachers union to intervene in the case. The plaintiff's achilles heel here was their own plea for relief:

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As noted above, the injunctive relief sought is specifically targeted not just to Corbett, but to all “Defendants, their agents, servants, employees, officials, or any other person acting in concert with them.” (FAC, p. 11.) This indisputably involves other teachers as affected employees within the District, and therefore involves the Unions’ members. - source: Motion Hearing Minutes page 4

So much for just being between the student and the one teacher. I think this is getting way out of hand. Wait 'til this kid gets to college if he thinks he's heard anti-Christian remarks.

He better go to law school. It'll save him loads on lawyers!

Or maybe he can turn the other cheek and rejoice for being persecuted for Jesus' sake. In other words, get over it! There are millions of people in the world that anti-God or anti-Christian. It's their own choice if they don't want to see both sides of the coin.

This can only happen in the OC. Maybe this can be covered in the TV show. It's already got a drama queen.

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Or maybe he can turn the other cheek and rejoice for being persecuted for Jesus' sake. In other words, get over it!

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Gina read the assigned materials and participated in class discussions, presenting traditional philosophical arguments on whether God exists and whether He possesses certain characteristics such as being all-knowing or all-good. However, Gina was unwilling to state that she would reconsider her personal religious beliefs on God’s nature and existence, and her grades suffered as a result. The professor has stated that it is his job to get students to reject a belief in a sacred or unquestionable “truth” in favor of the “rational” view that science, logic, and philosophy are the only reliable sources of “truth.”
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The professor stated that he would increase any student’s grade on a previous assignment to a 100 if he or she made the following statement on the course’s online message board: “I am _____________ (put your name here). I am not free because I am determined.”

The sole basis for determining whether a student would receive free points is his or her willingness to make this personal, faith-based claim.
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We sent a letter to the college’s attorney regarding the denial of Gina’s First Amendment rights, but the school’s initial response was unsatisfactory.

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I don't get it. The instructor opposed religion, yet compelled the students to state their belief in predetermination? Predetermination is a religious belief.

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So you agree that the instructor overstepped his bounds?

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I know this is slightly off topic, but I figure I'll put it here since it also deals with the state overstepping its bounds.

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Gina read the assigned materials and participated in class discussions, presenting traditional philosophical arguments on whether God exists and whether He possesses certain characteristics such as being all-knowing or all-good. However, Gina was unwilling to state that she would reconsider her personal religious beliefs on God’s nature and existence, and her grades suffered as a result. The professor has stated that it is his job to get students to reject a belief in a sacred or unquestionable “truth” in favor of the “rational” view that science, logic, and philosophy are the only reliable sources of “truth.”
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The professor stated that he would increase any student’s grade on a previous assignment to a 100 if he or she made the following statement on the course’s online message board: “I am _____________ (put your name here). I am not free because I am determined.”

The sole basis for determining whether a student would receive free points is his or her willingness to make this personal, faith-based claim.
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We sent a letter to the college’s attorney regarding the denial of Gina’s First Amendment rights, but the school’s initial response was unsatisfactory.

https://www.aclj.org/TrialNotebook/Read.aspx?id=615
( http://creationwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page )

Since when are our grades based upon our personal beliefs? This is ridiculous. I hope the ACLJ wins this.