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1. Is it intelligent to bring children into a society that has the highest death rate from firearms among modern nations? Apparently, there are more gun related deaths in America in one day than there is in a year in Japan.

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2. Does it make sense that the pro-life supporters are not pressuring the Andministration to provide more social programs to make the decision to have a full term pregnancy more viable?

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3. The world recognizes the legality of the marriages of murderous dictators, serial killers, mafia dons, etc. as long as they are heterosexuals in good standing. Apparently, sexual orientation is the one and only thing that counts. One does not even have to be a Christian to have a Christian wedding.

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It just seems quite obvious from Zarqawi on down, that most of the impetus for the insurgency comes from organizations outside Iraq.

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...I don't think its that obvious.

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2. Does it make sense that the pro-life supporters are not pressuring the Andministration to provide more social programs to make the decision to have a full term pregnancy more viable?

There are many, many people who would love to adopt babies...Also, we are not a socialist country, it shouldn't be up to taxpayers to support everyone who can't control themselves, but are too lazy to work...if they can't pay, they shouldn't play.

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In other words, once the child is born, the mother is on her own and the pro-lifers accept no responsibility. "Can't control trhemselves," "too lazy to work," - what part of Jesus' ministry do these attitudes represent?

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Obviously, as somone who is opposed to this ill-conceived war, I disagree with the belief that this is taunting the wounded soldiers. Do you ever think that people are protesting this war because, bingo, they do NOT want the soldiers to get wounded, die in the first place?! You know, if the war was not happening in the first place, the soldiers would not be getting wounded, killed.

Did the soldiers ask for this sort of 'support'? One certainly doesn't feel that way:

Kevin Pannell, who was recently treated at Walter Reed and had both legs amputated after an ambush grenade attack near Baghdad in 2004, considers the presence of the anti-war protesters in front of the hospital "distasteful."

When he was a patient at the hospital, Pannell said he initially tried to ignore the anti-war activists camped out in front of Walter Reed, until witnessing something that enraged him.

"We went by there one day and I drove by and [the anti-war protesters] had a bunch of flag-draped coffins laid out on the sidewalk. That, I thought, was probably the most distasteful thing I had ever seen. Ever," Pannell, a member of the Army's First Cavalry Division, told Cybercast News Service.

"You know that 95 percent of the guys in the hospital bed lost guys whenever they got hurt and survivors' guilt is the worst thing you can deal with," Pannell said, adding that other veterans recovering from wounds at Walter Reed share his resentment for the anti-war protesters.

"We don't like them and we don't like the fact that they can hang their signs and stuff on the fence at Walter Reed," he said. "[The wounded veterans] are there to recuperate. Once they get out in the real world, then they can start seeing that stuff (anti-war protests). I mean Walter Reed is a sheltered environment and it needs to stay that way."

The anti-war protesters, yes, could have found a better place. But, I support their message. It is not wrong to protest a war that was started for the wrong reasons. It is not wrong to protest, then, the loss of 25,000 innocent Iraqi deaths and 1800+ of our best and brightest. Sorry, Jack, no logic will be able to say otherwise. "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God."( Mathew 5:9). On top of the billions of people across the globe that oppose (from the very beginnning) this war, there were also many, many church leaders that also oppose it (they also opposed it from the very beginning).
My mother firmly believes that it was the peaceful protesters that put pressure on our government to bring the troops home from Vietnam - this was before my time. If it hadn't ended, my brothers may have had to go to Vietnam.

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Do you understand? And do you understand, then, this IS SUPPORTING THE TROOPS: this is supporting a policy, peace, that will NOT put the soldiers lives in jeopardy at all. You know, as opposed the policy of GOING to war - and putting the lives of our best & brightest in jeopardy? Do you understand?

This is poppycock. Thye are volutneteers, and many of them are re-enlisting knowing full well what the war entails.

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The protestors are purely selfish and agenda driven and care nothing for the troops.

Oh yeah, not wanting the troops to die, get wounded - that's selfish! Ahhhhhh, no. Where did you ever learn that not wanting someone to die, get wounded is selfish? Is that written in The Bible? Please, tell me, I have never heard of such, ah, logic, er, I don't know what you'd call it.

Peace and God bless,

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And i for one can applaud and be in total respect for someone because of their service to this country. But i still can think they are total baffoons and should never be listened to let alone elected to office.

At least these "baffoons" prove there's reason for hope that one day "intelligent life" will be found in the GOP - but I'm not optomistic.

Is it intelligent to murder unborn babies, or make it legal to do so?...Is it intelligent promote homosexuality as if it's just a good, alternative lifestyle?

Is it just my imagination, or for the most part, is the group of people who are anti-war, the same group who are pro-abortion?...I just don't get it, save the terrorist, but murder the unborn babies...

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Those of you who are against the war:

What do you think of your comrades picketing outside of Walter Reed hospital and verbally attacking the wounded men and women trying to recuperate there?

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=\SpecialReports\archive\200508\SPE20050825a.html

It's interesting that this source, and GOP-funded sources, chose to phrase this as "targeting wounded soldiers."

Obviously, as somone who is opposed to this ill-conceived war, I disagree with the belief that this is taunting the wounded soldiers. Do you ever think that people are protesting this war because, bingo, they do NOT want the soldiers to get wounded, die in the first place?! You know, if the war was not happening in the first place, the soldiers would not be getting wounded, killed. Do you understand? And do you understand, then, this IS SUPPORTING THE TROOPS: this is supporting a policy, peace, that will NOT put the soldiers lives in jeopardy at all. You know, as opposed the policy of GOING to war - and putting the lives of our best & brightest in jeopardy? Do you understand?

Unreal - just when I thought I had read it all...

Peace & God bless,

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I understand perfectly, but I don't believe you understand the way the anti-war demonstrators are affecting the very troops they claim to support.

Imagine you've returned from Iraq, missing a leg, and needing months of treatment and therapy. You're already depressed because you know your life will never be the same again. Perhaps you've lost one or more friends in the war. You're thrilled to be home. You're thrilled to be in a hospital where you can receive great treatment. You're glad you made it out of there alive.

Then you look out your window and see a bunch of angry demonstrators. They say they support you, but they're carrying signs calling you a murderer.

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What happens though when the majority of the solders who hear these "protestors" words truly believe that it is ment AT them.

If you look at the signs, at least the ones that I have seen, it is aimed at the Bush admin. I do not want these young men and women to die, or get wounded. I want them to live a long, happy life with their families. Why would I want people that have the traits they have: courage, bravery, unselfishness: why would I want these people to die for a cause I believe to be wrong? I want these young soldiers to stay HERE, so that they may reproduce and put more people like them on this earth. We need more people with traits like them.

What happens when that solder struggles with the idea of fighting for peoples rights to yell at them, and just quitting because of the yelling? That is what most solders go through every time they look at the media and a few on the left. I thank God above that the majority of our solders stand tall and ignore these yahoo's that would rather desicrate the name of good men and women than support them.

Vietnam was before my time, but my mom is very thankful for the peaceful protesters of the Vietnam war. She firmly believes that it is these peaceful protesters that put pressure on the government to bring the soldiers home. Both of my older brothers were very close to being drafted. My mother was a staunch Republican at this time (she was until the 2000 elections).

Is it so hard to say "We went in for wrong reasons, but if we are in lets do it right!" Some on this board believe that. To bad the loony left cant think like that.

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Oh yeah, not wanting the troops to die, get wounded - that's selfish! Ahhhhhh, no. Where did you ever learn that not wanting someone to die, get wounded is selfish? Is that written in The Bible? Please, tell me, I have never heard of such, ah, logic, er, I don't know what you'd call it.

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Over lunch with Chaplain Wilson and our two battalion surgeons, Major Brown and Captain Warr, there was much discussion about the "ethics" of war, and contention about why we afford top-notch medical treatment to terrorists. The treatment terrorists get here is better and more expensive than what many Americans or Europeans can get.

"That's the difference between the terrorists and us," Chaplain Wilson kept saying. "Don't you understand? That's the difference."

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Oh yeah, not wanting the troops to die, get wounded - that's selfish! Ahhhhhh, no. Where did you ever learn that not wanting someone to die, get wounded is selfish? Is that written in The Bible? Please, tell me, I have never heard of such, ah, logic, er, I don't know what you'd call it.

Well they don’t want to die or be wounded either; but they have a mission that they volunteered for, and the left undermines support for that mission because of it’s own political agenda. That’s undoubtedly selfish.

And how haranguing wounded soldiers accomplishes your stated goals is beyond me.

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If you mean a political agenda of not going to war for a very wrong reason so that there would not 1800+ of our best and brightest dead, not to mention 25,000 innocent Iraqi people dead; well, this is a good political agenda in my mind. Obviously not yours - let's agree to disagree.
And, I have stated the location of these protests is obviously wrong. However, I believe the message is correct. There is nothing in The Bible that states that opposing the loss of life is wrong. I vehemently oppose this war, and will oppose others if the reasoning behind them is faulty like it was in this one. And though I have never been in a protest before, I would go to a peaceful one that was held in the correct location, and for such an ill-conceived war (note the use of ill-conceived, meaning, wrong policy-making) as this current war.

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The guy with the "murderer" sign was shown on a Free Republic website. I believe he was there on July 1.

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Did you see that scary looking guy in pink? He's a far cry from the good ol' days of jeans, boots, blue work shirts, long hair and beads.

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admit it George, this fiasco in Iraq is all about OIL!