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RE: War in Iraq - 4/1/2008 2:02:58 PM
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cow451
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Yes Henny, we are not supposed to be rebellious.
So, what was that business about Jesus turning over the tables in the Temple? He was rebelling against authority.
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RE: War in Iraq - 4/1/2008 2:50:58 PM
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Yes Henny, we are not supposed to be rebellious. Do not bash according to the Bible. Why is this war immoral, any more than the others? In proverbs it says God controls all leaders. So what is your take on that one.
You realize that this same argument means that you can't question or oppose abortion. God controls our leaders, so if they decide to pass abortion legislation, then that is God's will and we have no right to question them or criticize them.
Obviously, this is completely absurd, but it's where your argument leads.
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RE: War in Iraq - 4/1/2008 2:55:35 PM
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RE: War in Iraq - 4/4/2008 11:52:49 AM
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Hey read on Yahoo last night, where Iraq is becoming more secure. I will get link in a moment. Yea. That is good news.
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RE: War in Iraq - 4/4/2008 12:08:00 PM
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But it is bad news for those who wish GW Bush and the Republicans to fail miserably.
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RE: War in Iraq - 4/4/2008 1:40:42 PM
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But it is bad news for those who wish GW Bush and the Republicans to fail miserably.
The failure has already happened. It's just to what degree and how long the clean-up takes.
Iraqi Suicide Bomber Kills 15 at funeral of Bagdad policeman. Maliki stops nationwide security raids againts Shiite militias after al-Sadr complains Iraqi forces violating latest ceasefire.LINK
My definition of security getting better means that significant numbers of US troops are reduced (below 100,000 as step one).I predict the earliest that might happen is 2010 (midterm elections under the next administration).
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RE: War in Iraq - 4/4/2008 1:46:24 PM
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My definition of security getting better means that significant numbers of US troops are reduced (below 100,000 as step one).I predict the earliest that might happen is 2010 (midterm elections under the next administration). I thought you predicted the same thing for the election this year?
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RE: War in Iraq - 4/4/2008 1:51:53 PM
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cow451
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My definition of security getting better means that significant numbers of US troops are reduced (below 100,000 as step one).I predict the earliest that might happen is 2010 (midterm elections under the next administration). I thought you predicted the same thing for the election this year?
Which shows that I was overly optimistic and the security situation isn't getting better. The light at the end of the tunnel was apparently an RPG headed our way.
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RE: War in Iraq - 4/4/2008 4:42:41 PM
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Which shows that I was overly optimistic and the security situation isn't getting better. The light at the end of the tunnel was apparently an RPG headed our way.
Certainly not getting better if Iraqi soldiers and police desert when they are sent to fight a militia whose leader is a direct political rival of the prime minister, and surely if at least some of those soldiers/police directly surrender to that militia.
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RE: Oh Really? - 4/5/2008 12:13:35 PM
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Why can someone not say good news! Iraq is becoming more secure. Without all the other this and thats. It is good news for both sides of the issue. If Iraq is becoming more secure, then maybe we can leave soon, mission compleated. Less people will die. It is win, win, for everyone.
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RE: Oh Really? - 4/5/2008 1:39:10 PM
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Why can someone not say good news! Iraq is becoming more secure. Without all the other this and thats. It is good news for both sides of the issue. If Iraq is becoming more secure, then maybe we can leave soon, mission compleated. Less people will die. It is win, win, for everyone.
If it were so, I'd be delighted.
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RE: Oh Really? - 4/5/2008 10:33:57 PM
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Start the party.
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Why can someone not say good news! Iraq is becoming more secure. Without all the other this and thats. It is good news for both sides of the issue. If Iraq is becoming more secure, then maybe we can leave soon, mission compleated. Less people will die. It is win, win, for everyone.
If it were so, I'd be delighted.
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RE: Oh Really? - 4/5/2008 10:54:14 PM
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Start the party.
I thought that party took place on the deck of the Abraham Lincoln almost 5 years ago.
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RE: Oh Really? - 4/7/2008 1:37:34 PM
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cow451
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That is rude Cow, it is not fantasy. I really wonder like Stamper Ben said, that no one wants Bush to to suceed. I wonder about peoples ant-war motavations, is it the people are just want to be right?
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Well were having another one, and you can come. 
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Start the party.
I thought that party took place on the deck of the Abraham Lincoln almost 5 years ago.
General Petraeus is expected to announce NO further troop reductions are in the near future. That means the security situation is not improving. Party postponed indefinitely. However, you can keep your fantasy if it makes you happy.
I voted for His Excellency in 2000 and supported the Iraq even though the case didn't seem strong for this level of action. I figured he must know more than he was telling. Turns out the case was flimsy and we took vital forces from Afghanistan to carry out a poorly planned occupation of Iraq. There are still more US forces in Iraq than five years ago. So any notion that this situation is getting better at anything but a snail's pace is a "belief not based on facts", if that makes you feel better. The 2006 mid-term elections made it clear that the nation as a whole lost confidence in the administration.
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RE: Oh Really? - 4/7/2008 2:01:29 PM
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I voted for His Excellency in 2000 and supported the Iraq even though the case didn't seem strong for this level of action. I figured he must know more than he was telling. Turns out the case was flimsy and we took vital forces from Afghanistan to carry out a poorly planned occupation of Iraq. There are still more US forces in Iraq than five years ago. So any notion that this situation is getting better at anything but a snail's pace is a "belief not based on facts", if that makes you feel better. The 2006 mid-term elections made it clear that the nation as a whole lost confidence in the administration. All the '06 election did was made it clear that the left's (Dems) campaign to discredit Bush, who in their minds "stole" both the 2000 and 2004 elections, is working as they want it to. It wouldn't have mattered WHAT Bush did. They would've discredited him no matter what.
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So any notion that this situation is getting better at anything but a snail's pace is a "belief not based on facts", if that makes you feel better. A snails pace is better than no pace at all. Remember, the tortuous beat the hare.
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RE: Oh Really? - 4/7/2008 3:10:18 PM
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cow451
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I voted for His Excellency in 2000 and supported the Iraq even though the case didn't seem strong for this level of action. I figured he must know more than he was telling. Turns out the case was flimsy and we took vital forces from Afghanistan to carry out a poorly planned occupation of Iraq. There are still more US forces in Iraq than five years ago. So any notion that this situation is getting better at anything but a snail's pace is a "belief not based on facts", if that makes you feel better. The 2006 mid-term elections made it clear that the nation as a whole lost confidence in the administration. All the '06 election did was made it clear that the left's (Dems) campaign to discredit Bush, who in their minds "stole" both the 2000 and 2004 elections, is working as they want it to. It wouldn't have mattered WHAT Bush did. They would've discredited him no matter what.
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So any notion that this situation is getting better at anything but a snail's pace is a "belief not based on facts", if that makes you feel better. A snails pace is better than no pace at all. Remember, the tortuous beat the hare.
The campaign to discredit Bush was there in 2000 and 2004, so that's a lame fall-back excuse. The party out of power will always be trying to discredit the sitting president. The voters that decide presidential elections aren't the hard core lefties or righties. When the independents swing, it's because they have lost faith in the ruling party. That's why Bush won in 2000.
Tortuous (?) beat the hare? That was a Freudian slip for the ages, Mr. Cheney!!! 
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RE: Oh Really? - 4/7/2008 5:06:13 PM
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All the '06 election did was made it clear that the left's (Dems) campaign to discredit Bush, who in their minds "stole" both the 2000 and 2004 elections, is working as they want it to. It wouldn't have mattered WHAT Bush did. They would've discredited him no matter what.
I know, the dems accused the administration of claiming there were WMD's all over Iraq when the administration didn't say it. Then the dems claimed the administration said that there was a link between Iraq and AQ before the war. Then the dems claimed that the administration said Saddam had purchased nuclear material from Nigeria when no one in the administration ever made that claim. The best one of all though was when the dems rigged up that photo of Bush (using photoshop of course) standing on the deck of the Abraham Lincoln saying "major operations are over". Lousy dems making the administration look bad. : /
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RE: Oh Really? - 4/7/2008 6:28:58 PM
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How are we ever gonna win against someone that is willing to blow their own selves up?
I understand that some Wars are necessary. America did not go against Hitler for 7 years. Was it necessary, yes! What took us so long? The Church during that time????
I just know some basic rules of fighting. I have never seen a fight won that was on their turf, they could call more people to it, and they are willing to shoot theirselves.
How long has Saddam been gone?
What looks hypocritical, is we told the Iraqi's we would be better than Saddam..
and they havent had power, running water, etc since WE came to save them.
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RE: Oh Really? - 4/9/2008 10:01:36 AM
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Some of the things you say are true, but the acid vats are gone, Saddam used, the terror aginst his own people. He has been dead one year as of December 30th. I have watched documentries about his prisons, his sons, and his brutality. He was evil along with the bath party. He also gassed babies with nerve gas, who clans of Kurds. These people have to feel, more safe than they did. The electric and water will come, things are improving, slow, but sure. I believe that, and to just pull out and leave these people high and dry, would be cruel.
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How are we ever gonna win against someone that is willing to blow their own selves up?
I understand that some Wars are necessary. America did not go against Hitler for 7 years. Was it necessary, yes! What took us so long? The Church during that time????
I just know some basic rules of fighting. I have never seen a fight won that was on their turf, they could call more people to it, and they are willing to shoot theirselves.
How long has Saddam been gone?
What looks hypocritical, is we told the Iraqi's we would be better than Saddam..
and they havent had power, running water, etc since WE came to save them.
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RE: War in Iraq - 4/9/2008 10:12:13 AM
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Things are still very bad in Iraq, and that is highlighted by Prime Minister Nouri Al-Maliki's failure to secure the country politically.
I have not written here much lately but I'll be around. Just one thing, folks.
Sen. John McCain has now twice - TWICE - conflated al-Qaeda militants with Shiite Iran. TWICE! This considering the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran AIDED American-led efforts against the Taliban and al-Qaeda (the real one in Afghanistan, not the offshoot with the copycat name in Iraq) when the United States first used military power after September 11, 2001.
If this is the man who some people here want for president - scary. Too much of a reminder of George W. Bush, who didn't even know there were different sects within Islam.
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RE: War in Iraq - 4/9/2008 10:14:31 AM
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RichLP
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Just one thing folks.
How are things getting better if after millions of USD in taxpayer money poured in Iraq and so much effort by US personnel to train Iraqi police and soldiers... Iraqi police and soldiers mutiny, desert, or refuse to fight against an armed militia within Iraq?
Or, worse yet, if some of those cops and grunts SURRENDER to and JOIN that militia?
Because ALL OF THIS happened within the past few weeks when the Iraqi security forces, with US and UK military aid, attacked and engaged Moktada Al-Sadr's Mahdi Army. The Mahdi Army held its own, refused to budge to al-Maliki's demands (including surrender and the surrender of its weapons), and was NOT militarily defeated.
So how are things getting better exactly?
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