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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 10:52:50 AM
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TomTurn
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ever talk or communicate with someone born and raised in a small town? Their views are usually very narrow because they haven't had much life experience.
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Let me introduce myself. I am P31W. I live in a small town in Mississippi. .....
ROFL,
believe it or not - your comment is just as elitist and wrong as Obama's is.
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How dare you question the new messiah!
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 11:11:56 AM
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StephK
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I agree with Obama's comments and I am no liberal.
What he said was true, ever talk or communicate with someone born and raised in a small town? Their views are usually very narrow because they haven't had much life experience.
Small town America is angry and bitter right now, I read it on the web and hear it on Republican talk radio.
Nothing he said was wrong or elitist.
Oh come on! It may have been true back in the slow transportation days but your view is as narrow minded as those "bitter small town, gun clinging, religious folks".
I did manage to git to town a few times a year to see them big tall buildings and super smart city folk when I was a yungin' growin' up in a southern, middle of the sticks, gun totin', Southern Baptist church goin' childhood. Why heck I even managed to git myself a genuine college edumacation too from a school whose debate team beat the snot out of that high fallutin' Haaaavaaard's debate team almost every year for 20 years. 
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Religion has accepted the monstrous heresy that noise, size, activity and bluster make a man dear to God. To a people caught in the tempest God says, `Be still, and know that I am God.' ~AW Tozer
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 11:31:59 AM
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HighPlainsDrifter
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I agree with Obama's comments and I am no liberal.
So, which major urban center do you live in or hail from Black?
Obama just leaked what most of the coastal urbanites believe about anyone who lives in flyover country.
I have nothing but contempt for this man's politics. But, then, I'm a rural bible-thumping gun-nut.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 11:36:07 AM
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TruthseekerTexas08
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Hey ya'll, i'm one of those small town, gun owning, Jesus clinging individuals that the young Presidential hopeful was referring to. I assure you, when you have Jesus in your heart, you are not bitter. So this leads me to my point. It seems to me that "CHRISTIANITY" is a flash point in this Political season. Did you know that they say America is 80% Christian...WOW! Really? Now hears where I say "That dog just doesn't hunt". Do you remember the scripture where the fella says "But Lord I did this in your name and Lord I did that in your name, but Jesus says depart from me you worker of iniquity for I never knew you". Here is my question, what Jesus is it that they know. Just because you call yourself a Christian doesn't make it so. The Bible says by their works you will know them. Why was Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed? It was because they were sacrificing their children to their false gods and they were ravaged by the sin of unnatural affection toward one another. What Jesus does this man know. Let's look at his affiliations. He is very Pro-Choice, is one of the very few that voted to uphold Partial-Birth abortion which is an unspeakable atrocity that I believe America will someday pay dearly for, and he is Pro Lesbian and Gay rights. Now you tell me, does this man in anyway reflect the teachings of the Great Book that we know and Cherish...no, he does not. Praise God, the One True God, we live in the greatest country in the world and you have the right to say whatever you want. However; if you are a true born again believer that follows the Bible and serves Jesus Christ with all of your heart, you cannot say that this man knows the Jesus of the Bible...if you do, you need to go back and read it, and ask the Holy Spirit to illuminate the scriptures for you.TRUE CHRISTIANITY is not a fad, it is a life style...and it is not for the faint of heart, or weaklings!
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 11:37:37 AM
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davemiller7
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25 years ago when the steel business was booming in Pa. the folks were clinging to the same things; Faith, freedom, law abiding communities.
And going back even farther than 25 years, weren't these the things that allowed America to grow and make it the greatest country on God's good green earth?
Thanx for the reminder and may God bless!
Dave
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 11:38:58 AM
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Pat-rebel_lady
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I agree with Obama's comments and I am no liberal.
What he said was true, ever talk or communicate with someone born and raised in a small town? Their views are usually very narrow because they haven't had much life experience.
Small town America is angry and bitter right now, I read it on the web and hear it on Republican talk radio.
Nothing he said was wrong or elitist.
Me thinks you miss the point.
Obama said it is the poor ecomony that makes folks cling to religion etc.
25 years ago when the steel business was booming in Pa. the folks were clinging to the same things; Faith, freedom, law abiding communities.
Thanks
RC
Baltimore's steel business, in the same time period, was booming in Md. as well, and the folks were clinging to the same things; Faith, freedom, law abiding communities.
Obama's comments were:
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You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, a lot of them -- like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they've gone through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, and they cling to guns, or religion, or antipathy toward people who aren't like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, a lot of them -- like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, ....."
If he feels this way about 'small towns', Pennsylvania, and the Midwest'', I, for one, want to know; demand knowing---before I accept it to be not intended to be offensive; how and what he thinks about people from larger towns and cities across the whole USA!! I am offended and angered by those comments --- about people in 'small' towns, Pa., and ....!!
Pat
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 11:40:40 AM
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TomTurn
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Every time Obama gets off the script, he shows more of who he really is. Which many of us have known all along.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 11:44:54 AM
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You know I wonder why so many people have latched on to what Hillary and McCain has said about the comments with such vigor that they can't even allow the slightest possibility that the man didn't mean for the statements to be condescending. I mean the man apologized and we as Christians find it hard to forgive him as if he blasphemed the name of God. Are we looking at this man through the pane of bitterness? Because it seems that the man can do or say no good. Objectivity has been drowned in the waters disdain and antipathy this campaign. Truly amazing. Perhaps we are truly bitter...about something. Check your own hearts.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 11:52:24 AM
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You know I wonder why so many people have latched on to what Hillary and McCain has said about the comments with such vigor that they can't even allow the slightest possibility that the man didn't mean for the statements to be condescending.
Yes he did
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I mean the man apologized and we as Christians find it hard to forgive him as if he blasphemed the name of God.
Apologies from a man who will throw his mother under the bus to get what he wants means little to me.
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Are we looking at this man through the pane of bitterness?
No, reality
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Because it seems that the man can do or say no good.
name me good he has done or said?
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Objectivity has been drowned in the waters disdain and antipathy this campaign.
Objectivity about what/ who he really is?
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Perhaps we are truly bitter...about something. Check your own hearts.
Perhaps I do not like socialism/marxism and those who push it but then I am just
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 12:11:11 PM
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Pat-rebel_lady
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You know I wonder why so many people have latched on to what Hillary and McCain has said about the comments with such vigor that they can't even allow the slightest possibility that the man didn't mean for the statements to be condescending. I mean the man apologized and we as Christians find it hard to forgive him as if he blasphemed the name of God. Are we looking at this man through the pane of bitterness? Because it seems that the man can do or say no good. Objectivity has been drowned in the waters disdain and antipathy this campaign. Truly amazing. Perhaps we are truly bitter...about something. Check your own hearts.
He's out of touch; last time I looked Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Detroit, and many others, where the jobs have been gone now for 25 years; are Cities. Does he not even know the difference between Cities and small towns? Yes, small towns have lost a lot of jobs too, but to point fingers at small towns as being the ones who are "bitter" and "cling to guns, or religion, or antipathy toward people who aren't like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." --- he's just plain out of touch.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 12:14:19 PM
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Perhaps I do not like socialism/marxism and those who push it but then I am just
I stand with you !!
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 12:18:00 PM
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Bitter is not a good comment to make.
Mad as hell would have been better 
Did Senator Obama's comments really have an elitist tone to it?
He's no more of an elitist than Senator Clinton, Senator McCain and even George W. Bush. I figure like this, any person who closely associate themselves or a member of the CFR is not only an elitist but anti-American.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 12:22:35 PM
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StephK
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He's out of touch; last time I looked Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Detroit, and many others, where the jobs have been gone now for 25 years; are Cities. Does he not even know the difference between Cities and small towns? Yes, small towns have lost a lot of jobs too, but to point fingers at small towns as being the ones who are "bitter" and "cling to guns, or religion, or antipathy toward people who aren't like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." --- he's just plain out of touch.
If you noticed those cities are in high tax states. Perhaps he needs to look at *why* those areas haven't recovered when other parts of the country are booming, like the South. I know that many of the southern states have incentives to lure businesses to relocate and they are.
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Religion has accepted the monstrous heresy that noise, size, activity and bluster make a man dear to God. To a people caught in the tempest God says, `Be still, and know that I am God.' ~AW Tozer
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 1:12:11 PM
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TomTurn
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 1:15:53 PM
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davemiller7
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Kinda reminds me of the rantings of an ambitious and bitter little Austrian former corporal in the German army.
God bless.
-Dave, another typical, old, white guy
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 1:18:22 PM
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Pat-rebel_lady
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Just to keep this in perspective, here is a great link that will remind y'all of just who he was talking to and just who it is he will be beholden to...
Thank you, that was very interesting!!
Refresh my memory , if you can, (I could be wrong) but didn't 'Al Gore' do something very similar; in the 1996 fundraising scandals(??); and it cost him the nomination; when he was running for the Dem. nomination for President? I could be mixed up, I just can't remember clearly.
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 1:56:50 PM
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LivingParadox
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I agree with Obama's comments and I am no liberal.
What he said was true, ever talk or communicate with someone born and raised in a small town? Their views are usually very narrow because they haven't had much life experience.
Small town America is angry and bitter right now, I read it on the web and hear it on Republican talk radio.
Nothing he said was wrong or elitist.
Oh come on! It may have been true back in the slow transportation days but your view is as narrow minded as those "bitter small town, gun clinging, religious folks".
I did manage to git to town a few times a year to see them big tall buildings and super smart city folk when I was a yungin' growin' up in a southern, middle of the sticks, gun totin', Southern Baptist church goin' childhood. Why heck I even managed to git myself a genuine college edumacation too from a school whose debate team beat the snot out of that high fallutin' Haaaavaaard's debate team almost every year for 20 years.
This made me laugh. Are you gittin above your raisin now?
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 2:12:33 PM
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StephK
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I agree with Obama's comments and I am no liberal.
What he said was true, ever talk or communicate with someone born and raised in a small town? Their views are usually very narrow because they haven't had much life experience.
Small town America is angry and bitter right now, I read it on the web and hear it on Republican talk radio.
Nothing he said was wrong or elitist.
Oh come on! It may have been true back in the slow transportation days but your view is as narrow minded as those "bitter small town, gun clinging, religious folks".
I did manage to git to town a few times a year to see them big tall buildings and super smart city folk when I was a yungin' growin' up in a southern, middle of the sticks, gun totin', Southern Baptist church goin' childhood. Why heck I even managed to git myself a genuine college edumacation too from a school whose debate team beat the snot out of that high fallutin' Haaaavaaard's debate team almost every year for 20 years.
This made me laugh. Are you gittin above your raisin now?
Nope, I hated the craziness of city living. I moved back to the sticks. Unfortunately too many city folks are moving and bringing their ways with them. 
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Religion has accepted the monstrous heresy that noise, size, activity and bluster make a man dear to God. To a people caught in the tempest God says, `Be still, and know that I am God.' ~AW Tozer
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 2:24:56 PM
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Nope, I hated the craziness of city living. I moved back to the sticks. Unfortunately too many city folks are moving and bringing their ways with them.
Let me guess, a Starbucks recently went up.
As us city slickers say, you know you're in an area with civilization if you can easily find a starbucks
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RE: Obama's comments about small-town America - 4/14/2008 2:50:09 PM
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I think Starbucks is way overrated. I live a few minutes from a city where they have a couple. I'm from South Louisiana and we know good coffee here. Mello Joy 
Disgusting. I can't believe they use pesticides on their coffee. Excuse me as I snort at that, while breathing in healthy city smog that will be more likely to give me cancer than the chemicals in my food.
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