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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/1/2008 2:44:54 PM
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It may have been worldwide, but it was certainly not universal. Many scientists were anti-eugenicists, or recognized that support for eugenics did not logically follow from an acceptance of evolutionary science.
Quoting Dobzhansky's 1937 Genetics and the Origin of Species:
"The eugenical Jeremiahs keep constantly before our eyes the nightmare of human populations accumulating recessive genes that produce pathological effects when homozygous. These prophets of doom seem to be unaware of the fact that wild species in the state of nature fare in this respect no better than man does with all the artificiality of his surroundings, and yet life has not come to an end on this planet. The eschatological cries proclaiming the failure of natural selection to operate in human populations have more to do with political beliefs than with scientific findings."
Rather ironic considering he was the Director of the Ameircan Eugenics Society 1964-73; and Chairman of the Board of the same from 1969-75
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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/1/2008 2:45:55 PM
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As I said before, Dennett doesn't belong on this list.
Why would that be again?
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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/1/2008 2:48:18 PM
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Depends on who you are talking to; evolutionists Dawkins, Meyers, Provine and Dennet contradict your argument here.
Yes, but they have no more proof for their claims, than any of us have hard conclusive proof that God exists. They may have more credibility than most when talking about evolution, but not so when it comes to this area.
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Well, again, like you claiming a part in building the Golden Gate Bridge, why would anyone even bother believing this absent some sort of evidence?
Well, I guess thats up to the individual. Plenty of people believe in God absent any scientific proof of his existence.
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I mean why should I believe your argument about evolution over the argument of trained evolutionists Dawkins, Meyers, and Provine?
I'm sure they all are brilliant evolutionists... and I'm sure some aspects of evolution and science can essentially disprove certain characteristics of God that many people attribute to Him.. but in my mind, that only enhances our understanding of God, it doesn't diminish Him. Say science solves every mystery in front of it, the whole of science still rests on axiomatic principles that are inherently unprovable in any sense. There will always be room for God.
Are you not listening to what I am saying? Proof of God? The proofs of God are all around you - read the quotes that I listed for you earlier. Take a breath - in and out. Apart from the grace of God, you can't even take a breath on your own and yet through your arguments you claim that man's wisdom is greater than His. Man has wisdom because God created him as a dominant creature on this earth to rule over the things in it, and mostly to be able to have the ability to choose to love God so that God can show how glorious He truely is to his own Glory. You do not understand the things of God nor can you see the evidences of Him becuase you are lost. Do not say that this is circular reasoning because in the same way, you cannot answer what is 2 + 2 unless you first have an understanding of numbers and mathematics. To know and understand the things of God you must first be called of God into the family of God. Do not say that something is not so simply because you cannot understand it.
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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/1/2008 2:50:49 PM
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Well, I guess thats up to the individual. Plenty of people believe in God absent any scientific proof of his existence.
This is true, particularly as most people in the world have never been educated in science, and it didn’t exist as a practice until very late in human history.
But that doesn’t make it logical to believe in God and the sort of science which attempts to make Him irrelevant.
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I'm sure they all are brilliant evolutionists... and I'm sure some aspects of evolution and science can essentially disprove certain characteristics of God that many people attribute to Him.. but in my mind, that only enhances our understanding of God, it doesn't diminish Him. Say science solves every mystery in front of it, the whole of science still rests on axiomatic principles that are inherently unprovable in any sense. There will always be room for God.
Well, I actually agree with part of what you say here, though I would say that in and of itself is evidence for God, through science.
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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/1/2008 3:23:31 PM
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As I said before, Dennett doesn't belong on this list.
Why would that be again?
Naturally, the burden of proof is on you to support your statement about what all these people believe, though I'll grant you Dawkins for free. Nevertheless I'll indulge you wrt Dennett:
"Undermining the best argument anybody ever thought of for the existence of God [i.e. the Design Argument] is not, of course, proving the non-existence of God..."
"The Darwinian perspective doesn’t prove that God–in any of these guises–couldn’t exist, but only that we have no good reason [i.e. the Design Argument] to think God does exist."
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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/1/2008 3:36:06 PM
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As I said before, Dennett doesn't belong on this list.
Why would that be again?
Naturally, the burden of proof is on you to support your statement about what all these people believe, though I'll grant you Dawkins for free. Nevertheless I'll indulge you wrt Dennett:
"Undermining the best argument anybody ever thought of for the existence of God [i.e. the Design Argument] is not, of course, proving the non-existence of God..."
"The Darwinian perspective doesn’t prove that God–in any of these guises–couldn’t exist, but only that we have no good reason [i.e. the Design Argument] to think God does exist."
Indeed it has been said that "If I can prove to you that God doesn't exist, would you renounce God?" The answer to that is obviously, NO. Look, just because you are more of an intellectual than I am and can win an argument with me, does that automatically mean that I now have to renounce something that I fully know to be true? I could walk out of the room, and there are people who can argue that I do not exist - just because I am not right there! When atheists proclaim that there is no proof of God, or that they don't have any good reason to believe in God, they are proclaiming some of the BEST evidence FOR God. You can't argue that "darkness" exists. There is no such thing as darkness - it is only an absence of light. Similarly, when we see evil in this world, it is only an absence of God. If we see disbelief in a man, it is only because God DOES exist but he HATES God... Of COURSE he doesn't have any good reason to believe in God, God has hidden Himself from him because of his wretched sinfulness. Only after God calls him, and he believes, can he really SEE God. Once again, this is not circular reasoning - you can only see that 2 + 2 = 4 only after you gain a knowledge of numbers and mathematics - it is the same type of thing.
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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/1/2008 3:47:27 PM
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Naturally, the burden of proof is on you to support your statement about what all these people believe, though I'll grant you Dawkins for free. Nevertheless I'll indulge you wrt Dennett:
"Undermining the best argument anybody ever thought of for the existence of God [i.e. the Design Argument] is not, of course, proving the non-existence of God..."
"The Darwinian perspective doesn’t prove that God–in any of these guises–couldn’t exist, but only that we have no good reason [i.e. the Design Argument] to think God does exist."
This would seem to suit:
Q:Do you believe science and religion must be in conflict, or are they ever compatible?
A (Dennett): I think there is quite a conflict. I've never been persuaded by those self-appointed moderates in science who keep insisting there's no real conflict between science and religion if they keep to their proper bailiwicks. If you look at what the proper bailiwick for religion turns out to be, it's pretty darn narrow. If you think that religion is a path to any kind of factual truth, on any matter--like the creation of the biosphere, the age of the earth--if you think that religion has anything at all to say about that, or if you think that religion has anything to say about the truths of the stories in its own sacred texts, then you're just wrong.
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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/1/2008 3:56:03 PM
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Naturally, the burden of proof is on you to support your statement about what all these people believe, though I'll grant you Dawkins for free. Nevertheless I'll indulge you wrt Dennett:
"Undermining the best argument anybody ever thought of for the existence of God [i.e. the Design Argument] is not, of course, proving the non-existence of God..."
"The Darwinian perspective doesn’t prove that God–in any of these guises–couldn’t exist, but only that we have no good reason [i.e. the Design Argument] to think God does exist."
This would seem to suit:
Q:Do you believe science and religion must be in conflict, or are they ever compatible?
A (Dennett): I think there is quite a conflict. I've never been persuaded by those self-appointed moderates in science who keep insisting there's no real conflict between science and religion if they keep to their proper bailiwicks. If you look at what the proper bailiwick for religion turns out to be, it's pretty darn narrow. If you think that religion is a path to any kind of factual truth, on any matter--like the creation of the biosphere, the age of the earth--if you think that religion has anything at all to say about that, or if you think that religion has anything to say about the truths of the stories in its own sacred texts, then you're just wrong.
SOMEONE ACTUALLY SAID THAT???
It's astounding to me that a mere human being in all his vileness could verbally spit into the face of a Holy God and He not strike him dead on the spot for his blasphemy.
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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/1/2008 4:28:13 PM
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I did allude that the complexity of the universe, life, evolution etc, that we are able to observe would be a strong testament to the power of God, if you choose to believe in him.
You agree the observable universe is a “strong testament to the power of God” if He exists, yet you reject His existence. Since you don’t see this “strong testament” as reason to accept His existence then just who/what is the observable universe a “strong testament” to?
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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/1/2008 4:31:05 PM
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Naturally, the burden of proof is on you to support your statement about what all these people believe, though I'll grant you Dawkins for free. Nevertheless I'll indulge you wrt Dennett:
"Undermining the best argument anybody ever thought of for the existence of God [i.e. the Design Argument] is not, of course, proving the non-existence of God..."
"The Darwinian perspective doesn’t prove that God–in any of these guises–couldn’t exist, but only that we have no good reason [i.e. the Design Argument] to think God does exist."
This would seem to suit:
Q:Do you believe science and religion must be in conflict, or are they ever compatible?
A (Dennett): I think there is quite a conflict. I've never been persuaded by those self-appointed moderates in science who keep insisting there's no real conflict between science and religion if they keep to their proper bailiwicks. If you look at what the proper bailiwick for religion turns out to be, it's pretty darn narrow. If you think that religion is a path to any kind of factual truth, on any matter--like the creation of the biosphere, the age of the earth--if you think that religion has anything at all to say about that, or if you think that religion has anything to say about the truths of the stories in its own sacred texts, then you're just wrong.
Nope, that doesn't suit at all. The original statement to which you objected was: "Evolution doesn't require you to believe in God, but it doesn't preclude God either."
This statement of Dennett's mentions neither evolution nor God.
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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/1/2008 4:34:33 PM
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Nope, that doesn't suit at all. The original statement to which you objected was: "Evolution doesn't require you to believe in God, but it doesn't preclude God either."
This statement of Dennett's mentions neither evolution nor God.
Ok. How 'bout this one:
I agree entirely with Richard Dawkins that the argument from design has always been the greatest obstacle to atheism — SOMETHING has to explain all that stupendous design in the biosphere — and evolution by natural selection is the only viable account that we have. Since it is so well confirmed by thousands of unchallenged facts, it provides a sturdy base for atheism; it is hard for me to take seriously an atheism that rejected or ignored evolution, since it would be failing to take on the biggest challenge.
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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/1/2008 5:02:08 PM
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Nope, that doesn't suit at all. The original statement to which you objected was: "Evolution doesn't require you to believe in God, but it doesn't preclude God either."
This statement of Dennett's mentions neither evolution nor God.
Ok. How 'bout this one:
I agree entirely with Richard Dawkins that the argument from design has always been the greatest obstacle to atheism — SOMETHING has to explain all that stupendous design in the biosphere — and evolution by natural selection is the only viable account that we have. Since it is so well confirmed by thousands of unchallenged facts, it provides a sturdy base for atheism; it is hard for me to take seriously an atheism that rejected or ignored evolution, since it would be failing to take on the biggest challenge.
Much better. Still, although evolution may lend support to atheism, this is not the same as precluding gods.
Again, like my earlier quotes, Dennett brings evolution up in the context of eliminating an argument for gods (the design argument) rather than as providing an argument against gods.
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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/1/2008 5:12:25 PM
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I did allude that the complexity of the universe, life, evolution etc, that we are able to observe would be a strong testament to the power of God, if you choose to believe in him.
You agree the observable universe is a “strong testament to the power of God” if He exists, yet you reject His existence. Since you don’t see this “strong testament” as reason to accept His existence then just who/what is the observable universe a “strong testament” to?
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I did allude that the complexity of the universe, life, evolution etc, that we are able to observe would be a strong testament to the power of God, if you choose to believe in him.
I've never said I rejected God.. I simply staunchly reject fundamentalist ideas about him and am also prepared to re-evaluate what I know of him as our understanding and knowledge of the universe increases.
But hey... Fundamentalism sure has done wonders for the Middle East.
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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/1/2008 5:52:01 PM
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I've never said I rejected God.. I simply staunchly reject fundamentalist ideas about him and am also prepared to re-evaluate what I know of him as our understanding and knowledge of the universe increases.
You stated that you are a pantheist.
“At the heart of pantheism is reverence of the universe as the ultimate focus of reverence, and for the natural earth as sacred.” - http://www.pantheism.net/paul/index.htm
Making the universe your god IS rejecting God.
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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/1/2008 9:58:27 PM
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Either we believe that God is God, and His word to us is infallable and a testament to us of His glory, therefore the creation story in Genesis is true as revealed
Oh, I believe that. What I don't believe is that the YEC treatment of the creation accounts honours them in their truth "as revealed".
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Then I suppose my question to you sir is if you do not take the creation story literally, then where do you stop? If you doubt the sincerity of one passage, then why not another? Yes, the Bible contains many literary devices, but once you discover these you take what they are saying literally, or you chance taking the content of the Bible as a mere fairy tale.
Conflating "literal" with "sincerity" and "non-literal" with "fairy tale" shows only your prejudice.
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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/1/2008 10:06:48 PM
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Oh, please, you're an evolutionist; not only is God not even a tinkerer to an evolutionist, He is completely and absolutely irrelevant.
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But pretending that evolution is somehow evidence for God is completely beyond the pale – it is absolutely absurd and it would be completely foolish to believe such a thing.
Evolution is as much evidence for God as anything in nature. Now for an atheist nothing in nature is evidence for God. But for a believer, everything in nature is evidence for God.
You can play it either way, but if you claim anything in nature is evidence for God or that nature as a whole is evidence for God, you cannot exclude evolution as evidence for God.
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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/2/2008 12:29:08 AM
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Untrue.
How does evolution make Him relevant?
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Evolution is as much evidence for God as anything in nature. Now for an atheist nothing in nature is evidence for God. But for a believer, everything in nature is evidence for God.
So you are saying interpretation of evidence is subjective based on one's metaphysical beliefs? I think this can be true.
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You can play it either way, but if you claim anything in nature is evidence for God or that nature as a whole is evidence for God, you cannot exclude evolution as evidence for God.
I have to believe something exists to consider it evidence for anything.
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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/2/2008 1:33:21 AM
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Untrue.
How does evolution make Him relevant?
In the same way anything in science and nature do. How does chemistry make God relevant?
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So you are saying interpretation of evidence is subjective based on one's metaphysical beliefs? I think this can be true.
Not quite in the way you are implying I think. As scientists the atheist and the believer ought to come to the same scientific conclusions. Yet the atheist will see nothing relative to the divine in them, while the believer will see them as glorifying God.
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I have to believe something exists to consider it evidence for anything.
Are you saying you think evolution does not exist at all? That is pretty extreme for a supporter of ID.
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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/2/2008 2:50:15 AM
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In the same way anything in science and nature do. How does chemistry make God relevant?
Actually, this is a critical point; chemistry really doesn’t impinge on any metaphysical consideration; Dawkins et. al. couldn’t base their beliefs on chemistry; but they do on evolution.
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Not quite in the way you are implying I think. As scientists the atheist and the believer ought to come to the same scientific conclusions. Yet the atheist will see nothing relative to the divine in them, while the believer will see them as glorifying God.
You are demonstrably wrong; many atheists plainly state that evolution is a primary basis for their beliefs. You may say they should not, but you could not honestly say they do not.
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Are you saying you think evolution does not exist at all? That is pretty extreme for a supporter of ID.
I think that what you call evolution, the development of all species from a single common ancestor through incidental and incremental modifications to the genome did not happen; as such, it is neither evidence for or against God.
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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/2/2008 3:48:02 AM
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And that from the man that stopped slavery in America.
That’s some slick selective quoting.
Why did you delete the heart of Lincoln’s statement: “and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will for ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.” – your cite (emphasis mine)
Prior to Darwin many believed physical differences between the races existed making some races superior to others. The explanatory power of Darwinian evolution provided “scientific support” for such belief.
Because it doesn't change the message I was trying to get across in the least. Lincoln, by today's standards, would have been considered racist. It is improper to judge a historical figure's morals by the moral standards of our time. That is the start and end of my point.
As to your point about Darwinian evolution justifying racism:
I find it fun to note that only after the emergence of evolutionary theory has racism started to fully subside in civilized countries. I am in no way crediting the subsidence of racism to evolutionary theory, but it's poor form to say that Darwinian evolution justifies evolution, and at the same time, only after the theory emerged has racism started to abate. If Darwinian evolution truly justified racism, shouldn't it have become more prevalent, not less? That is, if the emergence of evolutionary theory had any noticeable effect at all on peoples views on race.
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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/2/2008 8:44:13 AM
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Actually, this is a critical point; chemistry really doesn’t impinge on any metaphysical consideration; Dawkins et. al. couldn’t base their beliefs on chemistry; but they do on evolution.
They most certainly could and do base their beliefs on chemistry. By demonstrating that biology can be reduced to chemistry they justify their metaphysical rejection of theism, a position that equates chemistry with non-theism. Basically the position is that if it is "only chemistry" it is patently "not God". That is a metaphysical pre-supposition.
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You are demonstrably wrong; many atheists plainly state that evolution is a primary basis for their beliefs. You may say they should not, but you could not honestly say they do not.
And you cannot honestly say that believers do not find the panorama of evolution an awe-inspiring evidence of God on a par with the glory of the heavens. Insofar as evolution impinges on metaphysics, it goes both ways and to present only one metaphysical option is disingenuous.
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I think that what you call evolution, the development of all species from a single common ancestor through incidental and incremental modifications to the genome did not happen; as such, it is neither evidence for or against God.
Evolution is more than common ancestry. So is it only common ancestry that is the stumbling block for you? You have no problem with natural selection, for example? Nor with something less than universal common ancestry e.g the common ancestry of rats and rabbits?
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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/2/2008 9:11:54 AM
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Allow me to share a Word that is extremely relavent to evolutionists / atheists, ect...
Romans 1: 20-23
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
Then the passage goes on... Pay attention to verse 28...
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
Amen, and amen.
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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/2/2008 9:16:22 AM
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drj11
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Allow me to share a Word that is extremely relavent to evolutionists / atheists, ect...
Romans 1: 20-23
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made,
I think that line right there sums up many of the theistic evolutionist's view. Through understanding the natural world, you can come to a greater understanding of God.
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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/2/2008 9:25:06 AM
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PromiseLander
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ORIGINAL: PromiseLander
Allow me to share a Word that is extremely relavent to evolutionists / atheists, ect...
Romans 1: 20-23
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made,
I think that line right there sums up many of the theistic evolutionist's view. Through understanding the natural world, you can come to a greater understanding of God.
It may be their justification but it is WRONG. The passage contains the word "creation," not "evolution" or "change." The Koine Greek word for this is "ktiðsiv," or " Ktisis." This is to produce something from absolutely nothing. This passage can be interpreted in no other way than God speaking things into existence from nothing - creation...
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RE: Ben Stein is right! Darwinists are tyrants. - 5/2/2008 10:00:54 AM
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Misapplied??? Darwin himself predicted that the white race would drive the darker races into extinction as a natural result of evolution.
First, I don't believe that he said this. Second, even if he had it still is not part of the theory of evolution.
Evolution is what has showed us that there are not different races of humans, in the true sense of "race." If anything, Darwinism was a death blow to scientific racism and even slavery. Think about it: "Origin of Species" was first published in 1859; just six years later slavery was abolished in the U.S.
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