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Lizahana -> RE: Global warming- do you know the truth? (5/11/2008 11:19:25 AM)
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ORIGINAL: _jjp_
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ORIGINAL: Lizahana
Um, no, jjp,
You are ignoring the fact that Al Gore got his information from our OWN governments EPA, NASA, NOAA, as well as the internatiaonl IPCC, the UN, 113 countries from ALL over the WORLD - you and others plain out ignore this - that is the problem.
And then he EMBELLISHES to feed his own agenda and to fatten his pockets by selling carbon credits.
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Now, I posted links from our OWN governments EPA, NASA, NOAA, as well as the internatiaonl IPCC, the UN, 113 countries from ALL over the WORLD - ALL of whom and their scientists concede that global warming is upon us, and that humans play a part. THIS is a consensus. If you deny this - I will be forced to repost them.
I am getting the feeling that you, and others know this - and you don't care to address it because you are in denial.
The overstating of the facts is the problem. No one is denying that global warming happens, no one is denying that global warming does have a small part that is man made, THERE IS NO CONSENSUS however on the severity or even if it is bad and when we post data showing otherwise you will dig to find that Exxon the evil destroyer of the world put .5%of funding into the group so the data is irrelevant and you will not address that data. You also refuse to address the FACT that this type of global warming has happened in the past and ignore the fact that the past 150ish years of "warming" happened as we came out of the end of an ICE AGE. The facts do point to warming but it is neither greater than nor is it at a faster rate than what has happened in the history of the earth and that is of the utmost importance since there are some (not saying you) that want to destroy our quality of life in the name of stopping what is most probably a natural cycle.
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Of course, I can't do anything about a person's refusal to acknowledge that our government and governments from ALL over the WORLD, and their scientists concede that global warming is upon us and that humans play a part in this.
global warming is happening and humans do play a part and the vast majority of studies i have seen rightly state that the anthropogenic part is a small part of the overall forcing cycle.
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PS Here's a hint: if you bring up Al Gore, I will bring up the links from our OWN governments EPA, NASA, NOAA, as well as the internatiaonl IPCC, the UN, 113 countries from ALL over the WORLD - ALL of whom and their scientists concede that global warming is upon us, and that humans play a part. Because, Al Gore is saying the SAME exact thing as links from our OWN governments EPA, NASA, NOAA, as well as the internatiaonl IPCC, the UN, 113 countries from ALL over the WORLD - ALL of whom and their scientists concede that global warming is upon us, and that humans play a part. Understand?
HOW MANY ways do i have to say that yess the earth warmed as it left an ICE AGE and yes anthropogenic gases does play a part. However Al Gore consistently overstates the case and manufactures dangers that AREN'T there, that is the problem. If Al Gore bothered to stick to facts, like the FACT that in the decades since the doomsdayers called GW to our attention we have seen the horrendous rise of 0.6 degrees celcius when they predicted much worse. Or how about the fact that there IS NO CORRECT MEAN TEMPERATURE for the Earth to be.
_jjp_,
Hmmmm....you must not have bothered to look at the links that I posted, then - because they conflict with what you are saying:
"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change concluded that it is 90 percent certain that human-generated greenhouse gases account for most of the global rise in temperatures over the past half-century..."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/01/AR2007030101484.html
"Recent Climate Change
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Product 1.3 - Re-analyses of historical climate data for key atmospheric features. Implications for attribution of causes of observed change
Product 3.3 - Climate Extremes: Analysis of the Observed Changes and Variations and Prospects for the Future
Since the Industrial Revolution (around 1750), human activities have substantially added to the amount of heat-trapping greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. The burning of fossil fuels and biomass (living matter such as vegetation) has also resulted in emissions of aerosols that absorb and emit heat, and reflect light..."
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/recentcc.html
"An “unequivocal” warming trend of about 1.0 to 1.7°F occurred from 1906-2005. Warming occurred in both the Northern and Southern Hemispheres, and over the oceans (IPCC, 2007).
The major greenhouse gases emitted by human activities remain in the atmosphere for periods ranging from decades to centuries. It is therefore virtually certain that atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases will continue to rise over the next few decades.
Increasing greenhouse gas concentrations tend to warm the planet..."
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/stateofknowledge.html
"According to the range of possible forcing scenarios, and taking into account uncertainty in climate model performance, the IPCC projects a best estimate of global temperature increase of 1.8 - 4.0°C with a possible range of 1.1 - 6.4°C by 2100, depending on which emissions scenario is used. However, this global average will integrate widely varying regional responses, such as the likelihood that land areas will warm much faster than ocean temperatures, particularly those land areas in northern high latitudes (and mostly in the cold season). Additionally, it is very likely that heat waves and other hot extremes will increase."
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html#q11
"A majority of climatologists have concluded that human activities are responsible for most of the warming. Human activities contribute to global warming by enhancing Earth's natural greenhouse effect. The greenhouse effect warms Earth's surface through a complex process involving sunlight, gases, and particles in the atmosphere. Gases that trap heat in the atmosphere are known as greenhouse gases.
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Agreement on global warming
Delegates from more than 160 countries met in Kyoto, Japan, in 1997 to draft the agreement that became known as the Kyoto Protocol. That agreement calls for decreases in the emissions of greenhouse gases.: ..."
http://www.nasa.gov/worldbook/global_warming_worldbook.html
Notice that these are ALL quotes from OUR government and their scientists, AND the INTERNATIONAL IPCC - and notice how the EPA states that there was "An “unequivocal” warming trend of about 1.0 to 1.7°F occurred from 1906-2005. " and that "Since the Industrial Revolution (around 1750), human activities have substantially added to the amount of heat-trapping greenhouse gases in the atmosphere."
Notice how the NOAA quotes the IPCC, "the IPCC projects a best estimate of global temperature increase of 1.8 - 4.0°C with a possible range of 1.1 - 6.4°C by 2100, depending on which emissions scenario is used. However, this global average will integrate widely varying regional responses, such as the likelihood that land areas will warm much faster than ocean temperatures, particularly those land areas in northern high latitudes (and mostly in the cold season). Additionally, it is very likely that heat waves and other hot extremes will increase."
Notice when NASA states: "Causes of global warming
Climatologists (scientists who study climate) have analyzed the global warming that has occurred since the late 1800's. A majority of climatologists have concluded that human activities are responsible for most of the warming."
And, you complain about suppression? What about when our government suppresses scientists?!:
"NASA and Global Warming
Aired: Friday, February 03, 2006 10-11AM ET
By host Tom Ashbrook:
The lead story on page one of the New York Times last Sunday read: top NASA climate scientist says the Bush administration is trying to stop him from speaking out on global warming.
The scientist is James E. Hansen - NASA's number one climate watcher, who says he's been muzzled on a dire threat facing the planet. ..."
http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2006/02/20060203_a_main.asp
"The top climate scientist at NASA says the Bush administration has tried to stop him from speaking out since he gave a lecture last month calling for prompt reductions in emissions of greenhouse gases linked to global warming...."
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/29/science/earth/29climate.html
Or how about the FACT that 18 states (you know, over a THIRD of the country) is sueing the EPA because they think our country should be doing MORE to thwart human-caused global-warming:
"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Eighteen states sued the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency on Wednesday for failing to limit greenhouse gas emissions from new cars and trucks, one year after the Supreme Court ruled that the agency had the power to do so
The suit seeks EPA's response to the high court's April 2, 2007, ruling, a landmark decision seen as a sharp defeat for the Bush administration's policy on climate change.
While acknowledging the reality of human-caused global warming, the administration has opposed across-the-board limits on carbon emissions that make the problem worse...."
http://uk.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUKN0233569420080402
So, no, _jjp_, the links I provide from GOVERNMENTAL scientists from OUR country and INTERNATIONAL countries say that humans play a significant part in global warming; that it already has caused an increased or 1 - 1.7 degrees F; that it will increase the global temperature dramatically in the future (best estimate of global temperature increase of 1.8 - 4.0°C with a possible range of 1.1 - 6.4°C by 2100); NASA's chief climatalogist has come forward stating the Bush Admin tried to prevent him from speaking out on human-caused global warming; 18/50 states are suing the EPA to do more about human-caused global warming...please DO let me know if you need to see more, as there is PLENTY more where these come from.
Again, I posted this directly from the governmental sources and they all back what Al Gore is saying. Again, if you refuse to see this, it is either because you are so biased that you are in denial, or you simply refuse to read the links - and I canot do anything about this - it's your problem, certainly not mine.
Peace and God bless,
BTW, here's a little more info on what Exon-Mobile does:
"Specifically, the UCS report shows that between 1998 and 2005, Exxon-Mobil funneled
close to $16 million to a network of 43 ideological and advocacy groups that seek to
manufacture uncertainty about the strong scientific consensus on global warming. These
groups promote spokespeople who misrepresent peer-reviewed scientific findings or
cherry-pick facts in an attempt to mislead the media and public into thinking there is
vigorous debate in the mainstream scientific community about climate change. Among
the ExxonMobil-funded groups are established conservative and anti-regulation think
tanks and organizations such as the American Enterprise Institute. There are also a
myriad of smaller, lesser known groups, including the Heartland Institute ($560,000), the
Annapolis Center for Science Based Public Policy ($763,500), and Frontiers of Freedom
($1,000,200)...."
http://gop.science.house.gov/hearings/oversight07/March%2028/McCarthy.pdf
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