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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/12/2008 3:16:21 PM
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if you read the lords prayer those words are meant to be taken literally.
Does this show honor God's name?
Does this show honor God's will or Todd's wil?l
Does this show honor the fact that an illness/infirmity can be used for God's glory?
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/12/2008 3:18:47 PM
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Why?
been praying for new teeth, and that is not a joke, can't eat food too well these days, and I believe God can give me new teeth
With all due respect pray4all...Is there any reason that God cannot answer your prayer and give you new teeth in your own home, or your home church? Is Lakeland some sort of "portal" where you need to go to have your prayers answered?
Gee, I never realized that in addition to Jesus Christ, Todd Bentley is now a mediator and way to the Father.
Please do us a favor and let us know what happens (either way). I am curious to see what your response is if you do not receive new teeth.
I do pray, however, that if you are healed, you give the glory to Almighty God and not to Todd Bentley.
BTW, couldn't you spend that money for the trip to FL and use it to visit a dentist?
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/12/2008 3:34:01 PM
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Why?
been praying for new teeth, and that is not a joke, can't eat food too well these days, and I believe God can give me new teeth
Depending on where you live, the cost of gas alone could go a long way to pay for dental work.
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Religion has accepted the monstrous heresy that noise, size, activity and bluster make a man dear to God. To a people caught in the tempest God says, `Be still, and know that I am God.' ~AW Tozer
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/12/2008 6:27:57 PM
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seem to recall in the word, once the Lord used spittle to heal a blind person, would you consider that undignified, of course if i was blind, wouldn't matter to me if spittle was used or not
I have found just the exact perfect church for you then! Why just a little spit in the eyes when you can be baptised in a baptismal pool filled with it? :D
http://www.spittingimagechurch.org/main/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=57
I also seem to recall that Pharoah's magicians did a respectable job of doing some of the miracles that were performed to get him to let the Israelites go.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/12/2008 6:33:54 PM
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Was that for real or someone's attempt at humor? Not sure if that is for real. I mean it could be considering what we have been dealing with here on this thread and the great length people will go to to feed their desires.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/12/2008 6:49:56 PM
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Marsha,
Speaking of which... did you read my post regarding your comment?
I will also post here below:
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The dual topic of this thread has been with the different things associated by some as genuine movements of the Holy Spirit. Things like "clucking in the spirit", "barnyard services", "holy laughter (uncontrollable fits of laughter that lasts for hours and are not stoppable until the spirit that gave it to you stops it...)
There is another angle to these things and it is being labeled as "roaring in the spirit".
This supposed manifestation is roaring. It's called roaring in the Spirit. I don't even want to call it that, frankly. Roaring in the Spirit gives too much credibility to it, but that's what it's being called - Christians who allegedly come under the influence of the Holy Spirit and they start making animal noises.
Roaring like a lion is an example of it, but I think there are other bizarre manifestations - people who shake and quake and fall down and quiver. It started in Toronto some years ago and now it's spread to Southern California churches.
First it started with laughing in the Spirit. Then it moved now to the roaring in the Spirit and other animal sounds. I'm kind of curious where this is going next. I'm kind of curious to see how much can Christians take. How much will they be willing to label bizarre behavior as from the Spirit? I'm curious.
I listened to a show yesterday and the host was sympathetic, and beyond that a bit defensive - challenging those who would question such a thing. After all, as he mentioned, in Acts 2 people acted in such a way so that others thought they were drunk.
You have the Azusa Street revival and other revivals in which there was bizarre behavior going on so, gee, who are we to suggest this might be weird? That seemed to be his response. Maybe he was just asking questions and trying to get the conversation going, playing devil's advocate, I'm not sure. I'm willing to grant that I may have misunderstood it.
But even if that isn't what he meant, there are a lot of people who have called me with these same ideas. Some have defended this thing in the same way. Some have told me about others who have defended it. And the irony is that the burden of proof is somehow pushed and thrust upon those who are a little concerned that this isn't really right.
It's kind of like if you think there's something wrong with this then it's up to you to prove it. Ladies and gentlemen, if you make a bizarre spiritual claim the burden of proof is on you, frankly.
It strikes me that saying that howling and roaring and making animal noises "in the Spirit" is an unusual claim. If you are claiming that God is involved with that then it seems to me that it's up to you to prove it. I'm a bit uncomfortable talking about this because even discussing it like this lends some legitimacy to it. It's kind of like saying, Well, let's reflect on this for a moment and see whether this might be OK.
Ladies and gentlemen, why would anybody even be tempted to say that people thrashing about making animal noises is an evidence of the movement of God? What has the Body of Christ come to that we look at this kind of behavior and we call it the Holy Spirit? Just on the face of it, doesn't it seem - think, please think - doesn't it seem that if anyone was going to turn people into animals it would not be God? It would be Satan.
I mean if I had a choice. Remember the Gadarene demonic? Thrashing about in the tombs, demon possessed, cutting his body, living like pardon me, an animal? Those were demons. Not God.
The only time I can think of God making someone like an animal was Nebuchadnezzar - and that was a judgment of God.
If you recall, it was when Nebuchadnezzar came to his senses that he was released from his bovine behavior. Read it in the book of Daniel. He was taking all the glory to himself, not giving praise to God, so God made him into a beast. I mean, he was still Nebuchadnezzar, but he lived like a beast. He went out in the field for seven years (Daniel 4), and ate grass. His nails grew long. He was an animal.
He bellowed and roared - and then he came to his senses, gave God the glory and was restored to his position of authority. Read it, it's right there in Daniel.
We used to joke about extreme spiritual manifestations, and our extreme, clear case example was swinging from the chandeliers and barking like dogs...
Now someone might say, "Well, this roaring in the Spirit is giving God the glory."
Ladies and gentlemen, doesn't that strike you as bizarre? I'm at a loss for words here. Doesn't it strike you as bizarre that someone says, I give God glory by howling at the moon, roaring like a lion, rolling around and barking. Doesn't that strike you as strange?
What is really stunning about this is it's called "revival". Do you get this? A revival is to return life to something. That's what it means to revive it. In other words, this is an example of us being revived in the Spirit. Our Christian lives were spiritually dead and now we receive spiritual life when we get revived spiritually. Then what happens? We act like animals. That's an evidence of our spiritual revival. That's what Christianity has come to. The Spirit turns you into an animal.
We've talked about this before and I've discussed it a little bit sanely, calmly, intelligently reflected on it. And then I asked myself, What the heck am I doing? Why am I treating this like it's something sane?
Let's go back to the Bible for a second. When I read my Bible I find as evidence of spiritual vitality - balance, sound mind, sanity (remember the Gadarene demonic). They regained their sanity and became like people rather than like animals once the demons were cast out.
I'm not saying here, by the way, that those who do this are filled with demons, I don't know. I'm just saying that it seems like demons are the ones who would be more likely to make us act like animals than God.
In the Bible I see as examples of spiritual vitality thoughtful, careful, meaningful, culturally relevant proclamations of the gospel. I see renewing our minds, order, reasonableness, attractiveness, patterns of submission, faithfully running the race. That's all in there.
But now I'm being asked to believe that genuine revival may entail me being overwhelmed so much so that I act like an animal or fall into epileptic fits thrashing about and out of control. Good night! What next?
This is all we need as a church. As if the world doesn't have enough to point at to object to, to discredit our witness, now we've got this. Another lunatic fringe to move towards because the simple basic ordinary Christian life is not good enough.
OK, here is something really bizarre. I'm struggling to find an illustration here that will make the point because bizarre illustrations don't make the point. What is going on is so bizarre but still people accept it.
I'm not going to be vulgar for the sake of being vulgar.
What if a group of Christians got together and began to urinate in the middle of the church? Every Sunday. After all, the scripture says that from our inner most beings will flow rivers of living water, right?
Now, someone is going to find some justification for that kind of thing. I mean, do we really need to call an expert in on this? Does the Bible actually prohibit whizzing in the Spirit? I mean, there is no verse against it. God moves in strange ways. What next?
The problem with giving illustrations like this is that someone is going to go out and do it, and then he'll give me a phone call or write me an email, or post on my blog, and tell me I'm grieving the Spirit, I'm quenching the Spirit.
I know people are going to be offended by that illustration - and my apologies - but I choose this bizarre picture to make a point because, frankly, if you choose anything less bizarre somebody might say, Well, maybe it doesn't sound so bad to me.
You have to choose something utterly bizarre to give a clear case example anymore. We used to joke about extreme spiritual manifestations, and our extreme, clear case example was swinging from the chandeliers and barking like dogs because everybody knows that if anybody swung from the chandelier in church and barked like a dog then it would be unacceptable. Now somebody is asking me to accept this.
If we stand back for just a minute, if we just think for a minute, if you are offended by that last illustration, why aren't we equally offended when we go to church and people are roaring and yowling and howling like animals and having epileptic fits, and they are attributing this to God. Instead there are some of us who say, boy the Holy Spirit is really moving. Wake up!
Sure, God had Isaiah preach nude. Are you going to use that as a proof text for giving a message in your birthday suit next Sunday in church? It seems to me that a reasonable, mature, biblically literate Christian is going to look at this and say, "Don't be ridiculous. Don't even suggest that's from God."
I hope you're reacting in the same way to my suggestion that there might be something called whizzing in the Spirit. That's offensive. That's blasphemous. If you are concerned about me being a little bit direct or sarcastic, I think it was Paul who said if you want to circumcise yourself to show your spirituality why don't you just cut the whole thing off? That's Galatians 5:12 - so I've got some biblical basis for being a little bit direct.
If you're bugged by the whizzing in the Spirit illustration you ought to be bugged by this because they are both bizarre. Why not snake handlers? What about that? Snake handling is more sane than this. At least you have a verse that directly suggests such a thing in Mark 16.
I think the verse is misunderstood and there is some question as to whether it is authentic, but at least you've got a case. You'll handle snakes and not get bit, remember that verse? But the scripture doesn't say that one of the marks of spiritual life, of revival is howling like an animal. I think it's time for Christians to regain their sanity.
Somebody asked me this morning, "What do you think draws people into this?" Desire for the dramatic? The ordinary Christian life is boring. That's why. It's work. The ordinary Christian life is too ordinary for some. Instead people want to have this dramatic experience allegedly with God.
People want to be different. The irony, ladies and gentlemen, is if Christians led the ordinary Christian life they would be different in all of the ways that really matter.
When believers get off on tangents like this they are no different than the rest of the world doing loony-toon things. That's just what this is. Loony-toon. You can quote that.
Then you wonder why people think we're nuts! Can you believe it?
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/12/2008 7:06:27 PM
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Was that for real or someone's attempt at humor? Not sure if that is for real. I mean it could be considering what we have been dealing with here on this thread and the great length people will go to to feed their desires.
I thought that site was humourous, but after reading that by you I'm not so sure of it. ; )
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/12/2008 7:12:01 PM
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What if a group of Christians got together and began to urinate in the middle of the church? Every Sunday. After all, the scripture says that from our inner most beings will flow rivers of living water, right?
That's kind of old news Earthless. I remember a few years back reading David Wilkerson talking about a church in South America somewhere that they actually took the scriptures about how important it was to be childlike and decided to wear Depends and the like to their services. No kidding!
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Now a new Gospel has just hit South America. Folks, it is rude and crude, but I have to tell you. When you get away from the parameters of Scripture, when you get up and say: "Oh, it is a New Thing, God is doing a New Thing? I don't understand it, it is not in the Scripture, but I don't want to stand against the Holy Ghost".
Folks, if it is not in this Book, you must stand up against it. Now the New Thing is that you can't enter the Kingdom of God except you come as a little babe. The people come with diapers under their outer clothing so that they can defecate and urinate in the meetings. This is the New Thing. Folks, where does it end?
http://www.intotruth.org/dev/reproach.htm
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/12/2008 8:16:23 PM
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Why?
been praying for new teeth, and that is not a joke, can't eat food too well these days, and I believe God can give me new teeth
With all due respect pray4all...Is there any reason that God cannot answer your prayer and give you new teeth in your own home, or your home church? Is Lakeland some sort of "portal" where you need to go to have your prayers answered?
Gee, I never realized that in addition to Jesus Christ, Todd Bentley is now a mediator and way to the Father.
Please do us a favor and let us know what happens (either way). I am curious to see what your response is if you do not receive new teeth.
I do pray, however, that if you are healed, you give the glory to Almighty God and not to Todd Bentley.
BTW, couldn't you spend that money for the trip to FL and use it to visit a dentist?
your question is a good one i believe another person asked a question that was simular here. even if God choose not to heal my teeth, I still love him with all that i am, and I know that he loves me. I have been healed several times already in my lifetime, did i always receive a healing when I thought I would, the answer is no, but I received healing in Gods timing, have been praying for probably a year about the teeth and reading glasses, I understand pastor todd can not heal anyone God heals, but he uses his people, perhaps God will use Todd to heal me, if he so chooses, if God does it will not suprise me, God does use people sometimes you would least expect, Tods background is somewhat like mine but fear not God delivered me out of it all. Ive been addicted to drugs in the past, God delivered me on the spot, when I sought him for his help with all that i am, i called out to his people, they just told me i'm going to hell cause i used drugs, that is the honest truth, still can't figure out why God would send someone to hell when they are asking him for help, but thats what those suited up religious people thought, when God got me all cleaned up, I bought an expensive suit, they won't let me in there church cause i've been in jail. (fear not nothing serious just stupid stuff) even faced 4 years once in prison, but i told God if i go to prison i'll just preach in there, did it before can do it again, seen alot of convicts born again & baptized in the Holy Ghost, they wanted to send me to prison cause i refused there stupid new age drug program, i told em the truth God delivered me i don't even think about the garabage, so i don't need your program, thank God i got a christian judge, he told me he was ceasar and winked no jail time no stupid new age ra-ra, I even got a tatoo or 2 maybe 4, i think. So it wouldn't surprise me if God did use pastor todd to heal me, actually i don't even care if i get healed or not, just want to be around the annointing, just want to be near God in a group setting with other people that love God. anyhow gonna make this short for now, Tod is on godtv so i want to tune in, but honestly if i can face 4 years in prison because i refuse to sit it the council of the ungodly (ps1:1), i guess if i don't get a new set of teeth it won't bother me in the least, after all i am saved, been healed several times, been delivered from the worst bondage imagible, but most of all God loves me and i love him. be back after todd is off the air God Bless you all.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/12/2008 8:27:20 PM
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pastor todd live right now
here is a live link right now, enjoy
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/12/2008 8:40:15 PM
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pastor todd live right now
here is a live link right now, enjoy
log on we can talk about the service tonight when he is done.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/12/2008 8:48:48 PM
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pastor todd live right now
here is a live link right now, enjoy
log on we can talk about the service tonight when he is done.
so many people hungry for God, giving praise to Jesus, and you think it is the work of the enemy, the world wants God, and we debate theology, putting God into our box, i hope you are watching. the people just want God, what will you give them??? debate, striff, theology???
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/12/2008 8:51:57 PM
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pastor todd live right now
here is a live link right now, enjoy
log on we can talk about the service tonight when he is done.
so many people hungry for God, giving praise to Jesus, and you think it is the work of the enemy, the world wants God, and we debate theology, putting God into our box, i hope you are watching. the people just want God, what will you give them??? debate, striff, theology???
we are the generation hungry for you God, our herts are crying out for you God, yes!!!!!!
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/12/2008 9:09:27 PM
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pastor todd live right now
here is a live link right now, enjoy
log on we can talk about the service tonight when he is done.
so many people hungry for God, giving praise to Jesus, and you think it is the work of the enemy, the world wants God, and we debate theology, putting God into our box, i hope you are watching. the people just want God, what will you give them??? debate, striff, theology???
we are the generation hungry for you God, our herts are crying out for you God, yes!!!!!!
good question pastor todd, how hungry are we for God tonight??
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/12/2008 9:15:39 PM
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pastor todd live right now
here is a live link right now, enjoy
log on we can talk about the service tonight when he is done.
so many people hungry for God, giving praise to Jesus, and you think it is the work of the enemy, the world wants God, and we debate theology, putting God into our box, i hope you are watching. the people just want God, what will you give them??? debate, striff, theology???
we are the generation hungry for you God, our herts are crying out for you God, yes!!!!!!
good question pastor todd, how hungry are we for God tonight??
can you imagine that a 4 hour church service?? perhaps lunch can wait, wonder if they'll look at their watches 
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/12/2008 9:34:18 PM
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pastor todd live right now
here is a live link right now, enjoy
log on we can talk about the service tonight when he is done.
so many people hungry for God, giving praise to Jesus, and you think it is the work of the enemy, the world wants God, and we debate theology, putting God into our box, i hope you are watching. the people just want God, what will you give them??? debate, striff, theology???
we are the generation hungry for you God, our herts are crying out for you God, yes!!!!!!
good question pastor todd, how hungry are we for God tonight??
can you imagine that a 4 hour church service?? perhaps lunch can wait, wonder if they'll look at their watches
I'm hungry too pastor, God let it come, more God More, more of you
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/12/2008 10:11:42 PM
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I'm hungry too pastor, God let it come, more God More, more of you
Sorry, God doesn't come in drips and drabs. The real question is does he gave all of us?
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/12/2008 10:54:22 PM
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I'm hungry too pastor, God let it come, more God More, more of you
Sorry, God doesn't come in drips and drabs. The real question is does he gave all of us?
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/12/2008 11:05:30 PM
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I'm hungry too pastor, God let it come, more God More, more of you
Sorry, God doesn't come in drips and drabs. The real question is does he gave all of us?
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good night all, God bless, off to florida in the am
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/13/2008 1:10:51 AM
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What is being "hungry for G~d"?
Is it wanting to understand more of His Word via the Scriptures He has given us?
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Is it craving an emotional high so you can "feel" Him?
Is it compromising our souls to accept things that have been clearly forbidden in scripture?
Is it turning off our understanding and accepting anything someone says because an angel named Emma or Fred or Harry says it is the right thing to do?
Is it loosing self control in a hyped up induced hysteria because someone in the audience starts howling and we thing it is the spiritual thing to do?
In the book of Acts when the 120 were in the Temple filled with the Holy Spirit speaking to the Jews who had come for Shavuot in their own language and they were labeled drunk by some - didn't Peter quote from the Prophet Joel to give them an answer to their question of why this was happening?
Where in Scripture can Todd quote to give an answer to those asking why people are howling and barking and clucking and whatever other barnyard noises they are making. And are lions and dogs and chickens hearing the message of the Kingdom of G~d in their own language?
This is just one more way the enemy can try to mock the Holy One.
Here is Sh'ual's teaching on tongues which is a true gift of the Holy Spirit. There is clear teaching on when to and not to use this gift in the congregation. Why would Todd allow those in his meetings to do any less - especially since it would be hard to interpret barking dog or clucking chicken or roaring lion into english.
1Co 14:5 I wish all of you to speak in languages, but rather that you may prophesy; for greater is he prophesying than he speaking in tongues, unless he interpret so that the church may receive building up.
1Co 14:6 But now, brothers, if I come to you speaking in tongues, what will I profit you, except I speak to you either in revelation, or in knowledge, or in prophecy, or in teaching?
1Co 14:7 Yet lifeless things giving a sound, whether flute or harp, if they do not give a distinction in the sound, how will it be known what is being piped or harped?
1Co 14:8 For also if a trumpet gives an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself for the battle?
1Co 14:9 So also you, if you do not give a clear word through the language, how will it be known what is being said? For you will be speaking into the air.
1Co 14:10 So it may be many kinds of sounds are in the world, and not one is without a distinct sound.
1Co 14:11 Therefore if I do not know the power of the sound, I will be a foreigner to him speaking, and he speaking will be a foreigner to me.
1Co 14:12 Even so you, since you are zealots of spiritual things, seek to build up the church, in order that you may abound
1Co 14:13 So then he speaking in a language, let him pray that he may interpret.
1Co 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the mind; I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the mind.
1Co 14:16 Else, if you bless in the spirit, he occupying the place of the unlearned, how will he say the amen at your giving of thanks, since he does not know what you say?
1Co 14:17 For you truly give thanks well, but the other is not built up.
1Co 14:18 I thank my God that I speak more languages than all of you;
1Co 14:19 yet in a church I desire to speak five words with my mind, so that I might also teach others, than ten thousand words in a tongue.
1Co 14:20 Brothers, do not be children in your minds, but in malice be like infants, and in your minds be mature.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/13/2008 7:41:40 AM
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pray4all
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hungry for God = more of Him less of me
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/13/2008 8:14:59 AM
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ORIGINAL: pray4all
hungry for God = more of Him less of me
Really? Then why seek signs and wonders? Especially from someone whose theology is awfully skewed and who attributes his salvation and knowledge to a demon named Emma-O?
You say you want more of God, to be Spirit-filled. Yet, nothing in Scripture teaches that the filling of the Spirit is accompanied by ecstatic experiences or external signs.
To be sure, being filled with the Spirit does bring the believer tremendous exhilaration and joy, but the NT epistles reveal that being filled with the Spirit brings forth the fruits of the Spirit, not the gifts of the Spirit.
Ephesians 5:19-6:9 gives a list of specifics: A Spirit-filled person sings psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, making melody in his or her heart to the Lord. A Spirit-filled person always gives thanks for all things in the name of Jesus Christ.
Spirit-filled Christians are subject to one another, they listen to one another, and bow to one another's authority. Spirit-filled wives submit to their husbands, and Spirit-filled husbands love their wives as Christ loves the church.
Spirit-filled parents bring up their children in the discipline and instruction of the Lord without exasperating them in the process.
A Spirit-filled employee obeys his or her employer and does good work. And the Spirit-filled employer is fair and understanding with employees. Those are all manifestations of the Spirit-filled life.
A parallel passage, Colossians 3:16-22, ascribed the blessed manifestations of being filled with the Spirit to letting "the Word of Christ richly dwell within you".
Since being filled with the Spirit and letting the Word of Christ dwell within both produce the same results, a Spirit-filled Christian is one in whom the Word of Christ dwells.
A Spirit-filled Christian is a Christ-conscious Christian. A Spirit-filled Christian is consumed with learning everything he or she can about Jesus and obeying everything that Jesus said.
That is what it means to "let the Word of Christ richly dwell within you."
To be filled with the Spirit is to be totally and richly involved in all there is to know about Jesus Christ.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/13/2008 9:26:43 AM
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Somebody asked me this morning, "What do you think draws people into this?" Desire for the dramatic? The ordinary Christian life is boring. That's why. It's work. The ordinary Christian life is too ordinary for some. Instead people want to have this dramatic experience allegedly with God.
Pray4all actually answered that question:
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i don't even care if i get healed or not, just want to be around the annointing, just want to be near God in a group setting with other people that love God.
Most Christians just want to be around the annointing. They love God so much that they just want "more" of Him.
I would prefer the answer to be "desire for the dramatic" or "the Christian life is boring". Those answers don't break my heart. I can say "they get what they deserve" about people with those motivations.
My heart literally hurts knowing that it is the little lambs of God desiring to just be near the annointing of the Good Shepherd that are being fleeced by the enemy's hired hands. Are they ignorant? Yes. Should they know better? Yes. But, the enemy is crafty. He preys on their very love for the Lord to lead them astray.
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RE: Florida HealingOutpouring-here we go again - 5/13/2008 9:29:13 AM
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earthless
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pray4all,
Why do you use the word 'anointing' in a unbiblical manner?
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No comment. Well, maybe a short not - 5/13/2008 2:16:52 PM
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I am not big into Todd Bentley, nor do I know much about him.
Since my marriage breakup two years ago...all I had left was Jesus. My health and assets...all gone. I told God, I was done. I told Him that "whatever the cost, I will follow you now". Then He took over. Since then, more and more has been restored to me.
I do know something happened to me during the worship the other night watching God.tv. I was moved to a new place. Jesus is so wonderful. This worship floored me. Literally. I was in His Presence. Weeping at his feet. I was freed from something. No one in the house but me (and God). I am not a big follower of anything...but do love Jesus ( Yeshua...G-d!) Now moreso. If that is the devil's will... geesh, then I am in trouble and please intercede for me.
In my opinion, I do not have one. God gets the last WORD anyhow.
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