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colliefan: How much as leaders do they need to be warned and how much is it to let sleeping dogs lie unless something comes up?

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I pray that those sincere people would find a real revival and be blessed. They deserve better.

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Particularly though, revivals don't just happen - no one deserves them -and you cannot work them up.

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ORIGINAL: Cwhzup13

Could Todd Bentley be another Jim Jones? In the early stages of his ministry there are striking similarities between Bentley and Jones. In 1955, Jones was prayed for a Latter Rain Pentecostal Conference by O.L. Jaggers who pronounced that he had a very special prophetic calling on his life. Years later when he founded the People’s Temple, Jones used faith healing to draw the masses much in the same way Bentley has in Lakeland. It may be a little premature to say Bentley is treading the same course as Jones, but I think it is a possibility we must be aware of. After all no one ever thought Jones would go to the extent he did by getting 918 people to commit suicide through drinking kool-aid laced with cyanide. Bentley’s claims show that he is very dangerous spiritually as he has placed much emphasis on angels, third heaven experiences, and has claimed experiences where his spirit left his body which is known to New Agers as astral projection. Could Bentley be even more than just a spiritual danger? Could he be leading his followers down the same course that Jim Jones led the People’s Temple in 1978 to the greatest mass cult suicide in history? I am drawing the comparisons and revealing Bentley’s false teachings at http://www.toddbentleyjimjones.blogspot.com

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ORIGINAL: lw9

One thing that's also important to note are the people teaming up with Bentley, such as John Paul Jackson, Ryan Wyatt, and Rick Pino at the 'Abiding Glory Conference' in September [listed on the FFM website], and those who commisioned Bentley on Jun 25th including John Arnott, Bill Johnson, C. Peter Wagner, Rick Joyner, and Che Ahn. Most of those names won't be a surprise for some of you, and there were many other 'leaders' involved. Just google if you want a full list of participants in that or any other event held with Bentley.

Straight up: Anyone sharing the stage with Bentley rather than speaking out against him is putting their stamp of approval on his false teachings, his violent behavior, and his false prophecies. They are willing participants in Bentley's vile deception. All I can suggest is to make a note of these people and stay well away from them, their 'ministries', and anything else they have their hands in.

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Actually, we can. Baptists do it every summer.

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He said that he had gone to lend moral support to his sister Angela, who had taken what little she had and arranged for a long trip from Michigan to Florida. This was at great financial cost to her. She did it because like thousands of others she was just plain desperate. The Christian grapevine, from Charisma to God TV has certainly provided the hype. "Thousands have experienced miraculous healings. Some are even being raised from the dead." And so with faith and expectation she loaded up her wheelchaired daughter and headed off to Lakeland. For two and a half hours she sang and swayed along with thousands of desperate people. And then came the testimonies.

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Of course these kinds of stories elevated expectations to fever pitch, and so with tears streaming down her face Angela wheeled the most precious of her possessions towards the stage. This was her moment. This was the culmination of all her hopes and dreams. Within moments the paralysis of her daughter would be but a distant memory.

This bore repeating.

Suddenly, however, an agony beyond the burden that she carried in her heart for all these years cascaded down upon her and in that moment her dreams were dashed. You see, an usher blocked her entrance to the stage, saying that only the healed had entry to the healer. Angela ended up leaving dejected and discouraged.

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In an article available online, Todd Bentley — talking about visions and angels — describes a meeting he led that, in his own words, “became pandemonium”. Interesting. Pandćmonium is the Capital of Hell in Paradise Lost, an epic poem by John Milton. The word essentially means, “demons everywhere.”

Must have been a Freudian slip.

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History of Todd Bentley.

On the other hand, Lieutenant Jeff Johnston, a Salvation Army pastor in Port Alberni, B.C., who used to work in Bentley’s hometown, is more skeptical. “There’s absolutely no way that I would allow my own kids to come within a million miles of anyone who had been involved in a youth sexual assault,” he says. Lieut. Johnston notes a church group tried to bring Bentley to Gibsons for a series of meetings in 1997, but the gatherings were called off after Lieut. Johnston and other pastors threatened not to allow their youth groups to attend. “It’s one thing to be forgiving, it’s another thing to be stupid,” Lieut. Johnston says. “If you, as a pastor, had someone in your church ministry who had been involved in these things and they ever re-offended, the fact that you knew and didn’t disclose it to parents, take every precaution, would be a huge liability issue.”

Tell me, dear readers, if the people in Todd’s hometown don’t want him, then why should you? He has been exposed on ABC News Nightline, in the Associate Press, and by the Bible. He is a liar and a son of beliel.

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I am still looking for the drop kick interview

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I found this interview very interesting because they are discussing the 'angel' rant that Todd did - turns out there is more to that story than the apparent insanity of it - as far as I know this has not been posted before, if it has, well, it is very revealing and short enough to watch again.

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ORIGINAL: dwtramm

Here is a recent video from the Pastor of Ignited Church.

He is rather flippant about Todd's Baptism. This would be a video to send to the General Council of the A/G.

If they won't take notice concerning this video, there is nothing I feel that can be shown to really grab their attention.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZLg-U-dbTY