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ljmac -> RE: Single Issue vs Big Picture Voters (5/2/2008 6:10:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tracydolls I don't struggle with the issue of abortion, It is wrong. but I have come to the realization that it is a law that I can not change, from the looks of it, who can. I wanna talk to Him. Are there other laws on the books I would like to change, yes!!!! there's an morally wrong law in this country that has been going on for years. Out of the 2 votes I have cast, one was for a local guy that said he was gonna work to change this law. It's finally getting looked at. This law. Do I like this guys religion, no, I pray he comes to Christ. Like I say that same prayer for myself and everyone. His name is Keith Ellison, he is a moslem. And a senator from MN. He is helping to get the law reversed of if you get caught with 1 oz of crack cocaine.vs. 1000 ozs of powder cocaine. You get more time. A terrible law. a little water and baking soda turns the 1000 ozs. powder into 10000's ozs. of crack. It is crazy. It was an unjust law. Targeted at blacks. It is hurting our community for young kids to get 30 years, no second chances, to see men leaving home and never coming back. Trying to do what the world is saying: GET money. do I follow Keith for his theology, No. I follow Christ. do I expect Keith to do his job as a politicion and keep his promises, yes. I don't trust none of them. I'm not casting a vote this year. I've realized that we are an immoral nation, and noone got the top hat on it. 1Pe 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: At this point I'm in fear. Ellison is a true wacko who once said that the Constitution is only for white people. After 911 he compared it to a staged Nazi event. “It’s almost like the Reichstag fire, kind of reminds me of that. After the Reichstag was burned, they blamed the Communists for it, and it put the leader [Hitler] of that country in a position where he could basically have authority to do whatever he wanted.”

tracydolls -> RE: Single Issue vs Big Picture Voters (5/2/2008 7:27:31 PM)
quote: Ellison is a true wacko who once said that the Constitution is only for white people. After 911 he compared it to a staged Nazi event. “It’s almost like the Reichstag fire, kind of reminds me of that. After the Reichstag was burned, they blamed the Communists for it, and it put the leader [Hitler] of that country in a position where he could basically have authority to do whatever he wanted.” ok , the Constitiution was written by white men for whites. that's true. July 12 U.S. Constitution (copy) *On this date in 1787, the Three-fifths Compromise was enacted. the list of framers, nope no black men, or natives, nope, women alot of people believe bush and his croney Osama did 9/11 check the cons, theory board. It's not just Keith. We like to throw up hitler. He came to power when , and why did we get in that fight.? 1933 After framing (or at least that is what is thought by many) the communists with the burning of the Reichstag, Hitler demanded the dissolving of freedom of speech and of the press. This allowed nazi propaganda to take the ultimate position. An election followed in which Hitler won (not without the use of intimidation). Hitler than instituted the enabling act which gave him dictitorial power. America declared war against Japan on December 8, 1941 I would say we had 7 years, imagine how many Jews coul'vd been saved in 7 years? why did'nt we jump in earlier? If Japan had not attacked us, we would have gotten in it? a mystery from WW2. If the issue of war is important to you vote for it or agaisnt it.

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Single Issue vs Big Picture Voters (5/2/2008 9:06:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc More likely manslaughter, but I'll let you get away with calling it premeditated murder for now. They make an appointment and pay someone to murder the child... It’s murder for hire… One of the more heinous forms… Toss in the fact it’s the mother and at times the father it’s even worse… quote: In any case, the fact that you don't believe abortion is a right doesn't necessarily mean you have to want the government to make it illegal. Of course... And to be fair lets make all murder legal... Since the way to stopping something isn't having it be against the law... quote: No- it's a serious question. Many things are more important than life, including freedom. Do we really want the government to have authority over what goes on inside our bodies? No one has the true authority to take life without cause, and when you can figure out what crime to charge the unborn with by all means post it. The government is ordained by God to keep order and to deal with those who do evil(see Romans 13) and killing the unborn is without a doubt an evil thing... quote: Only if one can prove the unborn child is willfully attempting to take the mother’s life... Well, since it's a human being it must know that it is killing its mother by keeping her pregnant. By all means continue this line of thought... Make you argument against the unborn... Lay it all out... How far are you willing to go to support the murder of the unborn? quote: Exactly, and something that most libertarians also don't want under the US's jurisdiction is our bodies. Well.. if they going to be consistant they need to support all killing being legal... John

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Single Issue vs Big Picture Voters (5/2/2008 9:07:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc quote: ORIGINAL: WesSavedByGrace quote: Well, since it's a human being it must know that it is killing its mother by keeping her pregnant. What is your purpose in stating this? Are you attempting to deny humanity to unborn children based on this statement? If so, consider the abilities of developmentally disabled individuals who can never have this amount of mental capacity. Are they not human beings? It would seem by your statement that they are not. I never said it wasn't human. I just said that if a pregnancy threatens the mother's life, she should have the right to end it under any circumstances. I'm not saying she should end it, but don't you think she should have that option if her other option is to die from medical complications? What mother and or parent wouldn't give their life for thier child or children? Truly sad... John

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Single Issue vs Big Picture Voters (5/2/2008 9:11:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lightshineon I believe God can can change a nation, and nothing is impossible with God. If Christians will stand for what is right there is no limit to what will happen. God always wins.[:)] God said prayer will heal a nation... John

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Single Issue vs Big Picture Voters (5/2/2008 9:15:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Evangel70 quote: Hi, everyone I am more interested in what you think of the Biblical view, everyone is ignoring these verses, I know this is not theology 101, but it is a main and plain question for Christians, I have heard say economic reasons take precedence over moral issues. Lightshineon, perhaps a little clarification is needed. Are you asking whether or not the bible calls Christians to vote based on certain characteristics? Because our American political system is secular in nature, we are not voting for a head of the "church" or for some type of pope. We are voting for someone who will uphold the law of the land (which by it's very nature is changable) and abide by the guidelines set forth in our consitutional governmental system. Of course, we want such a leader to be "moral" but he or she must first be competent and qualified for the job. No political role or position will EVER point us to Jesus. If you read your bible, you will not see a single example where God comanded his people to have a political say in the government of the countries they were in. As Peter, Paul and the early church fathers were planting churches wherever they went, they gave no instructions or commands as to which whom they should have in the Roman senate or which Ceasar they should support. There is a reason for that. The kingdoms of man have NOTHING to do with the kingdom of God. So what are we to do? Pray that God will give you guidance as to whom to vote for whomever you believe will do the best job. God is ultimately in control anyway so He will always have the last say. [:)] The civil government was ordain by God for the sake of order and to the be the minister of God for those who do evil. As well it was establish to allow the church to flourish and deal with the needs of the poor and widows... That being the case it would seem a Christian duty if to vote for folks who uphold those truth, not folks who promise "good times" or <cough> free health care... John

rlj -> RE: Single Issue vs Big Picture Voters (5/2/2008 9:27:08 PM)
quote: Christians who support abortion are the intellectual great grandchildren of Christians who suppored slavery. I'm a direct spiritual descendant of Abraham who owned slaves. I'd be proud to be called a man like David and he owned slaves. Even Paul returned Onesimus to Philemon. Does this mean Paul was pro-abortion? What about David and Abraham? Lightshineon- there are no verses that to me apply to how to vote in an election. I know that it doesn't matter who is elected McCain, Clinton, Obama or if some moral christian type (since there are none running now) God is in control and he puts in office who he wants in office. I don't fear any leader or anything else for that matter when it comes to politics.

Evangel70 -> RE: Single Issue vs Big Picture Voters (5/2/2008 10:49:22 PM)
quote: The civil government was ordain by God for the sake of order and to the be the minister of God for those who do evil. As well it was establish to allow the church to flourish and deal with the needs of the poor and widows... That being the case it would seem a Christian duty if to vote for folks who uphold those truth, not folks who promise "good times" or <cough> free health care... So, using your logic, God ordained the governments of Iran, Iraq, China, Somalia, etc. If that is indeed the case, then aren't we going against God's will by tearing down governmental systems in countries we consider "terrorist" or oppressive? How does that align with the rest of God's word? [8\|]

ljmac -> RE: Single Issue vs Big Picture Voters (5/3/2008 12:37:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rlj quote: Christians who support abortion are the intellectual great grandchildren of Christians who suppored slavery. I'm a direct spiritual descendant of Abraham who owned slaves. I'd be proud to be called a man like David and he owned slaves. Even Paul returned Onesimus to Philemon. Does this mean Paul was pro-abortion? What about David and Abraham? Lightshineon- there are no verses that to me apply to how to vote in an election. I know that it doesn't matter who is elected McCain, Clinton, Obama or if some moral christian type (since there are none running now) God is in control and he puts in office who he wants in office. I don't fear any leader or anything else for that matter when it comes to politics. David was a murderer. But he only murdered one person and he wasn't an advocate for murdering others. Christians who support abortion are not satisfied with one murder. 50 million since Death Roe and they want more.

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Single Issue vs Big Picture Voters (5/3/2008 12:45:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Evangel70 quote: The civil government was ordain by God for the sake of order and to the be the minister of God for those who do evil. As well it was establish to allow the church to flourish and deal with the needs of the poor and widows... That being the case it would seem a Christian duty if to vote for folks who uphold those truth, not folks who promise "good times" or <cough> free health care... So, using your logic, God ordained the governments of Iran, Iraq, China, Somalia, etc. If that is indeed the case, then aren't we going against God's will by tearing down governmental systems in countries we consider "terrorist" or oppressive? How does that align with the rest of God's word? [8\|] God said He raised Pharaoh to power... My logic? No... Clearly the word of God... For the record I don't support what is going on in Iraq... John

tracydolls -> RE: Single Issue vs Big Picture Voters (5/3/2008 1:33:11 AM)
quote: I'm a direct spiritual descendant of Abraham who owned slaves. I'd be proud to be called a man like David and he owned slaves. Even Paul returned Onesimus to Philemon. Does this mean Paul was pro-abortion? What about David and Abraham? First I agree with post. I am also from Abraham.David.Paul And would add I am a direct descendent of a slave and slave master as evidenced by my DNA and geneology records. Paul- Saul, a murderer of Christians, writer of 13 books in New Testament. David-had Bathsheeba's husband killed, was a friend to G-D. Abraham-Blessed by G-D, a father to many nations. He was tested with his son, Isaac. I would like to be any of these women. JOS 2:1 """And they went, and came into an harlot's house, named Rahab, and lodged there."" Heb 11:31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace. Luk 8:44 Came behind him, and touched the border of his garment: and immediately her issue of blood stanched. Luk 8:45 And Jesus said, Who touched me? When all denied, Peter and they that were with him said, Master, the multitude throng thee and press thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me? Luk 8:46 And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that virtue is gone out of me. Luk 8:47 And when the woman saw that she was not hid, she came trembling, and falling down before him, she declared unto him before all the people for what cause she had touched him, and how she was healed immediately. Luk 8:48 And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace. Num 12:10 And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous. Num 12:15 And Miriam was shut out from the camp seven days: and the people journeyed not till Miriam was brought in again. Mic 6:4 For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee out of the house of servants; and I sent before thee Moses, Aaron, and Miriam. I would LOVE to be with any of those saints. Any one of them. I would love to be them! Op- this election season is too crazy, I'm tired of it all. What is the most important issue facing us? We stick together as the Body of Christ. Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. I say Christians lets reason together.

strangeharmony -> RE: How does voting for economy reasons vs. ethical reasons mesh (5/3/2008 2:38:15 AM)
My husband and I have been single-issue voters for years - how could we support anyone that supported abortions? We have, however, changed the way we vote significantly, and feel compromised, but less compromised than when we felt voting on the single issue. We have spent more time than ever in the last four years working with inner-city youth, and have seen nothing but budget cuts (in all the wrong places) from the republican party mindset. It has been studied and concluded that, historically, the stance of the president on abortion has had no affect on it being legal or not. Illegalizing abortion is unfortunately not in very close reach at the moment. Therefore, who will do more to prevent unwanted pregnancies to happen? Imagine, instead of putting most of our energy into a fight that doesn't seem to be going anywhere (though it is worth fighting for) we can actually save more lives from abortion by educating people before they get pregnant. That's our response for the legal abortion issue today. We voted democratic for the first time in our lives. We feel a little dirty, but do think our country would be better off. Having a president who has a better understanding of what the streets are like and plans to act on improving those societies is the most hopeful for social change.

strangeharmony -> RE: Single Issue vs Big Picture Voters (5/3/2008 2:41:15 AM)
quote: God is in control and he puts in office who he wants in office. I don't fear any leader or anything else for that matter when it comes to politics. Tell that to Zimbabwe. Not to belittle God, but we do have reason to fear who gets authority over our country.

rlj -> RE: Single Issue vs Big Picture Voters (5/3/2008 5:46:38 AM)
quote: David was a murderer. But he only murdered one person and he wasn't an advocate for murdering others. Christians who support abortion are not satisfied with one murder. 50 million since Death Roe and they want more. You were going off on one of your tangents and making comparisons that have nothing to do with any reality. Since those people I mentioned owned slaves or had no objections to slavery did that make them pro abortion? Yes abortion probably did exist at the time of Paul and definately existed in the early 2nd century since some of the early church fathers mention it. So since Paul clearly had no qualms against slavery does that mean he was pro abortion? You did bring the topic up in this thread and I am curious to hear your response. Barnabas 19:5 quote: Thou shalt not murder a child by abortion, nor again shalt thou kill it when it is born. This is one example and I am fully aware that it isn't scripture. The timing of this alleged "epistle" is thought to be in the 2nd century as opposed to the first but it isn't known for sure.

ljmac -> RE: Single Issue vs Big Picture Voters (5/3/2008 10:22:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rlj quote: David was a murderer. But he only murdered one person and he wasn't an advocate for murdering others. Christians who support abortion are not satisfied with one murder. 50 million since Death Roe and they want more. You were going off on one of your tangents and making comparisons that have nothing to do with any reality. Since those people I mentioned owned slaves or had no objections to slavery did that make them pro abortion? Yes abortion probably did exist at the time of Paul and definately existed in the early 2nd century since some of the early church fathers mention it. So since Paul clearly had no qualms against slavery does that mean he was pro abortion? You did bring the topic up in this thread and I am curious to hear your response. Barnabas 19:5 quote: Thou shalt not murder a child by abortion, nor again shalt thou kill it when it is born. This is one example and I am fully aware that it isn't scripture. The timing of this alleged "epistle" is thought to be in the 2nd century as opposed to the first but it isn't known for sure. quote: ljmac You bring up Abraham and then accuse me of going off on a tangent. That's wild. Christians who support abortion, like those who supported slavery, support cruel, abusive practices against innocent human beings. One difference is that slave owners didn't murder their slaves. How many more million need to die before you say you've had enough, that it's time to ban it? 75 million? 100 million?

rlj -> RE: How does voting for economy reasons vs. ethical reasons mesh (5/3/2008 10:49:41 AM)
quote: Christians who support abortion, like those who supported slavery, support cruel, abusive practices against innocent human beings. One difference is that slave owners didn't murder their slaves. That wasn't true about all slaves and slavery. The laws under the Old Covenant were very clear on how slaves were to be treated. Paul admonished christians who owned slaves to treat them well. All throughout the Bible (and even some in the New Testament) righteous men owned slaves. How do you equate slavery and abortion together? Your argument isn't clear to me because I don't see Paul agreeing with anything you are saying. So Paul had no problems with slavery, slaves weren't automatically freed under the New Covenant - how can you make them related?

tracydolls -> RE: How does voting for economy reasons vs. ethical reasons mesh (5/3/2008 1:30:58 PM)
quote: One difference is that slave owners didn't murder their slaves. Where did you get the lie from? Uncle tom was murdered by his slave master, this is like so well known..... quote: How many more million need to die before you say you've had enough, I say stop it today, and..............

SovereignIsHe -> RE: How does voting for economy reasons vs. ethical reasons mesh (5/3/2008 1:36:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: strangeharmony My husband and I have been single-issue voters for years - how could we support anyone that supported abortions? We have, however, changed the way we vote significantly, and feel compromised, but less compromised than when we felt voting on the single issue. We have spent more time than ever in the last four years working with inner-city youth, and have seen nothing but budget cuts (in all the wrong places) from the republican party mindset. It has been studied and concluded that, historically, the stance of the president on abortion has had no affect on it being legal or not. Illegalizing abortion is unfortunately not in very close reach at the moment. Therefore, who will do more to prevent unwanted pregnancies to happen? Imagine, instead of putting most of our energy into a fight that doesn't seem to be going anywhere (though it is worth fighting for) we can actually save more lives from abortion by educating people before they get pregnant. That's our response for the legal abortion issue today. We voted democratic for the first time in our lives. We feel a little dirty, but do think our country would be better off. Having a president who has a better understanding of what the streets are like and plans to act on improving those societies is the most hopeful for social change. A country is better off when people support the unlawful killing of unborn children? I going over Christ's sermons in my head I can't recall one that would suggest such evil is beneficial for a country... John

blessedinnyc -> RE: Single Issue vs Big Picture Voters (5/3/2008 3:37:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe Of course... And to be fair lets make all murder legal... Since the way to stopping something isn't having it be against the law... The government's job is to maintain order, not make things fair or moral. quote: No one has the true authority to take life without cause, and when you can figure out what crime to charge the unborn with by all means post it. But should the government have the authority to stop a woman from killing something that is killing her, at the very least? quote: The government is ordained by God to keep order and to deal with those who do evil(see Romans 13) and killing the unborn is without a doubt an evil thing... Dealing with those who do evil is an outcome of maintaining order. quote: By all means continue this line of thought... Make you argument against the unborn... Lay it all out... How far are you willing to go to support the murder of the unborn? I think that what happens inside your body should only be between you and God. quote: Well.. if they going to be consistant they need to support all killing being legal... Sure, if I get inside your body, the government shouldn't pass laws about whether you can kill me or not- in the same way that if I tresspass on your property, you can generally shoot me.

lightshineon -> RE: Single Issue vs Big Picture Voters (5/3/2008 5:38:16 PM)
My issue has to do with the verses given, about worrying about economic things vs. the Kingdom of God and what his says is right, not being like pagans worring about these things, but seeking God and his rightouness, first, and all these things willl be added.

SovereignIsHe -> RE: Single Issue vs Big Picture Voters (5/3/2008 8:02:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blessedinnyc The government's job is to maintain order, not make things fair or moral. It's a matter of hyprocisy... The government says murder in the womb is ok, yet outside it's not.. Well acutally one can be charged with murder for killing an unborn child... Ask Scott Peterson... What a mess... The laws are allover the place... quote: But should the government have the authority to stop a woman from killing something that is killing her, at the very least? I would leave that one in the hands of the women... Of cource what king of mother would choose her life over her child's? quote: Dealing with those who do evil is an outcome of maintaining order. Actually it's an express command...And killing anyone without just cause is evil and the government is being sinful in not owning up to its expressed duty... Romans 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. quote: I think that what happens inside your body should only be between you and God. Fine, I am all for God dealing with people who murder children... quote: Sure, if I get inside your body, the government shouldn't pass laws about whether you can kill me or not- in the same way that if I tresspass on your property, you can generally shoot me. Sorry, an unborn child isn't an intruder and it's hypocrisy to say it's ok to kill a child in the womb, but not outside... John

ljmac -> RE: How does voting for economy reasons vs. ethical reasons mesh (5/3/2008 11:24:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tracydolls quote: One difference is that slave owners didn't murder their slaves. Where did you get the lie from? Uncle tom was murdered by his slave master, this is like so well known..... quote: How many more million need to die before you say you've had enough, I say stop it today, and.............. Slaves were an asset. They were only good to the owner if they were alive. While their freedom was stolen and they suffered much, their lives were generally valued by the owner. Unwanted children on the other hand are not permitted even one breath.

ljmac -> RE: How does voting for economy reasons vs. ethical reasons mesh (5/3/2008 11:45:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: strangeharmony My husband and I have been single-issue voters for years - how could we support anyone that supported abortions? We have, however, changed the way we vote significantly, and feel compromised, but less compromised than when we felt voting on the single issue. We have spent more time than ever in the last four years working with inner-city youth, and have seen nothing but budget cuts (in all the wrong places) from the republican party mindset. It has been studied and concluded that, historically, the stance of the president on abortion has had no affect on it being legal or not. Illegalizing abortion is unfortunately not in very close reach at the moment. Therefore, who will do more to prevent unwanted pregnancies to happen? Imagine, instead of putting most of our energy into a fight that doesn't seem to be going anywhere (though it is worth fighting for) we can actually save more lives from abortion by educating people before they get pregnant. That's our response for the legal abortion issue today. We voted democratic for the first time in our lives. We feel a little dirty, but do think our country would be better off. Having a president who has a better understanding of what the streets are like and plans to act on improving those societies is the most hopeful for social change. Perhaps your conscience, or the Holy Spirit, is getting to you. That may be why you feel "dirty," in your words. You've aligned yourself politically with people who believe it should be legal to suck the brains out of a live baby. The next time you're with the "inner-city youth", ask youself how many of their classmates have been disembowled or decapitated by people that make you feel "dirty." Black children have long been targeted by birth control and abortion zealots. Planned Parenthood recently twice got caught on tape cheerfully accepting money that was specifically targeted to abort black children. They carry on the sick desires of PP's founder, Margaret Sanger, who had her Negro Progect to suppress the black population. It isn't an accident that as the skin color of a neighborhood gets darker, the number of abortuaries increases. Neither Obama or Clinton has a clue about "the streets." HRC grew up in the suburbs and went to an all girls school. Obama lived with his white family in Hawii. They have something else in common, they both believe it should be legal to suck the brains out of a baby.

lightshineon -> RE: How does voting for economy reasons vs. ethical reasons mesh (5/4/2008 1:45:08 AM)
I could not do it, but that is you and this is me. Nobody is getting to the question I ask. quote: ORIGINAL: ljmac quote: ORIGINAL: strangeharmony My husband and I have been single-issue voters for years - how could we support anyone that supported abortions? We have, however, changed the way we vote significantly, and feel compromised, but less compromised than when we felt voting on the single issue. We have spent more time than ever in the last four years working with inner-city youth, and have seen nothing but budget cuts (in all the wrong places) from the republican party mindset. It has been studied and concluded that, historically, the stance of the president on abortion has had no affect on it being legal or not. Illegalizing abortion is unfortunately not in very close reach at the moment. Therefore, who will do more to prevent unwanted pregnancies to happen? Imagine, instead of putting most of our energy into a fight that doesn't seem to be going anywhere (though it is worth fighting for) we can actually save more lives from abortion by educating people before they get pregnant. That's our response for the legal abortion issue today. We voted democratic for the first time in our lives. We feel a little dirty, but do think our country would be better off. Having a president who has a better understanding of what the streets are like and plans to act on improving those societies is the most hopeful for social change. Perhaps your conscience, or the Holy Spirit, is getting to you. That may be why you feel "dirty," in your words. You've aligned yourself politically with people who believe it should be legal to suck the brains out of a live baby. The next time you're with the "inner-city youth", ask youself how many of their classmates have been disembowled or decapitated by people that make you feel "dirty." Black children have long been targeted by birth control and abortion zealots. Planned Parenthood recently twice got caught on tape cheerfully accepting money that was specifically targeted to abort black children. They carry on the sick desires of PP's founder, Margaret Sanger, who had her Negro Progect to suppress the black population. It isn't an accident that as the skin color of a neighborhood gets darker, the number of abortuaries increases. Neither Obama or Clinton has a clue about "the streets." HRC grew up in the suburbs and went to an all girls school. Obama lived with his white family in Hawii. They have something else in common, they both believe it should be legal to suck the brains out of a baby.

rlj -> RE: How does voting for economy reasons vs. ethical reasons mesh (5/4/2008 6:11:10 AM)
quote: I could not do it, but that is you and this is me. Nobody is getting to the question I ask. Lightshineon- there are no verses that to me apply to how to vote in an election. I know that it doesn't matter who is elected McCain, Clinton, Obama or if some moral christian type (since there are none running now) God is in control and he puts in office who he wants in office. I don't fear any leader or anything else for that matter when it comes to politics. I thought that did?

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