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770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hunger... - 5/2/2008 12:57:24 PM
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cybrjewls
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For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you offered me a drink... I was sick or in prison and you visited me.
I think that UN troops or coalition forces might be in order, as well, to keep the food stuff distribution secure from those that would take it and sell it to develop wartime efforts.
Jesus said make peace with your adversary ahead of time before they take you into court and The Judge Rules; for the decision may be final.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/2/2008 1:32:55 PM
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is being included in a broader $70 billion Iraq war funding measure for 2009 that the White House sent to Capitol Hill on Thursday.
WE are kidding, right? Remember the verses where Jesus talked about the woman with 2 mites?
this is sad, 770 million in a 70 billion dollar war , where we have sent 500 billion aready, this same said 770 million is supposed to be spread out over 55 countries? Africa is a CONTINENT.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/2/2008 1:39:52 PM
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#1)U.N. Sits on 1.2 Billion dollars while crying for more $$ in the face of possible food shortage: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,353944,00.html
#2)"Just weeks before it announced the onset of a global food crisis and the urgent need for donors to provide at least $775 million in additional funding, the World Food Program was sitting on a cash and near-cash stockpile of more than $1.22 billion"
U.N. Urging donors to provide $775 Million, we gave how much $770,000,000.00
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/2/2008 1:47:55 PM
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WE are kidding, right? Remember the verses where Jesus talked about the woman with 2 mites?
this is sad, 770 million in a 70 billion dollar war , where we have sent 500 billion aready, this same said 770 million is supposed to be spread out over 55 countries? Africa is a CONTINENT.
Well, no tracydolls, we have sent billions each year to Africa, and we are slated to send billions more; this is an addendum to that aid based on rising food prices.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/2/2008 3:16:29 PM
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Please notice the conversion factor for the currencies.....
Ugandan Shilling ; Zimbabwe ; South Africa .
Zimbabwe facts..... Ugandan..... South African....
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is being included in a broader $70 billion Iraq war funding measure for 2009 that the White House sent to Capitol Hill on Thursday.
WE are kidding, right? Remember the verses where Jesus talked about the woman with 2 mites?
this is sad, 770 million in a 70 billion dollar war , where we have sent 500 billion aready, this same said 770 million is supposed to be spread out over 55 countries? Africa is a CONTINENT.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/2/2008 3:19:16 PM
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Well, no tracydolls, we have sent billions each year to Africa, and we are slated to send billions more; this is an addendum to that aid based on rising food prices.
this from a source trying to defend the US aid to africa.
Even though these targets and agendas have been set, year after year almost all rich nations have constantly failed to reach their agreed obligations of the 0.7% target. Instead of 0.7%, the amount of aid has been around 0.2 to 0.4%, some $100 billion short.
Furthermore, the quality of the aid has been poor.
We owe China 6 trillion for some cheap plastic toys. How much is this out of what income? A joke.
Mar 12:41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/2/2008 4:47:23 PM
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this from a source trying to defend the US aid to africa.
Even though these targets and agendas have been set, year after year almost all rich nations have constantly failed to reach their agreed obligations of the 0.7% target. Instead of 0.7%, the amount of aid has been around 0.2 to 0.4%, some $100 billion short.
Furthermore, the quality of the aid has been poor.
We owe China 6 trillion for some cheap plastic toys. How much is this out of what income? A joke.
Mar 12:41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.
Tracydolls, you are selectively quoting there.
The same article you are citing points out that the US government gave over 100 billion dollars in aid in the last four years, more in real dollars than any other country. And that doesn't even count private donations, which amount 30 billion dollars a year.
Could we do more? Certainly. But what we are doing is substantive.
And I have news for you, as one who has been to Africa; just throwing money at them doesn't work.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/2/2008 5:04:50 PM
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Tracydolls, you are selectively quoting there.
I cannot put up the whole paper. breaks TOS.
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The same article you are citing points out that the US government gave over 100 billion dollars in aid in the last four years.
again, the data of our income opposed to what was given.
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more in real dollars than any other country.
We have more than any other country, certainly more than several in africa, I'm not saying US don't give, I'm asking compared to what? Who are these other countries that own the wealth, their partners in the CRIME.
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Could we do more? Certainly. But what we are doing is substantive.
We the the Christian nation don't even give 1% of wealth. I suppose we can't even discuss 10%? Morally 1% is not substantive, it's a joke.
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And I have news for you, as one who has been to Africa; just throwing money at them doesn't work.
Please stop throwing money at them. I agree, it ain't working.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/2/2008 5:20:08 PM
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I cannot put up the whole paper. breaks TOS.
I know, that's why I went and read it for myself.
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again, the data of our income opposed to what was given.
I am not sure what that means?
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We have more than any other country, certainly more than several in africa, I'm not saying US don't give, I'm asking compared to what? Who are these other countries that own the wealth, their partners in the CRIME.
Well, exactly, compared to what? Who is giving more? Especially in terms of private giving.
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We the the Christian nation don't even give 1% of wealth. I suppose we can't even discuss 10%? Morally 1% is not substantive, it's a joke.
Actually, when you are talking about the government, you aren't talking about 10% of our 'wealth', you are talking about 10% of the income from our taxes - which also happens to go to other worthwhile things that help people here. And many of us give close to 30% in taxes when it's all said and done.
And even with that being the case, many of us, despite the lack of wealth still give well over 10% of our incomes to various charitable causes.
So let's not paint so broad a brush here, ok? And if you are concerned with what Scripture says about it, it says make sure we are ourselves obeying before we start telling others to obey.
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Please stop throwing money at them. I agree, it ain't working.
I highly recommend a trip there sometime and seeing up close what does work.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/2/2008 6:39:50 PM
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Meanwhile Bush wants to spend $70 BILLION on making war! Where are our priorities? Maybe if we were feeding people instead of killing people we wouldn't have so many enemies.
Bush details $70 Billion war funding
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/2/2008 6:56:01 PM
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I am not sure what that means?
LOL. the paper said we give 0.7 %, give 0.7% of .......... O.7 of my yearly income is $336.00 dollars. Peanuts.
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Actually, when you are talking about the government, you aren't talking about 10% of our 'wealth', you are talking about 10% of the income from our taxes - which also happens to go to other worthwhile things that help people here. And many of us give close to 30% in taxes when it's all said and done.
And even with that being the case, many of us, despite the lack of wealth still give well over 10% of our incomes to various charitable causes.
We don't even give 10% of taxes to aid. So those figures are misleading. We pledge 0.7% , we give maybe 0.4%.
I know we do, We are talking about the gov't. the OP.
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So let's not paint so broad a brush here, ok? And if you are concerned with what Scripture says about it, it says make sure we are ourselves obeying before we start telling others to obey.
I'm sure.
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I highly recommend a trip there sometime and seeing up close what does work.
I'm sure you don't want to hear my proposal. It's found in the Bible.
Exo 12:35 And the children of Israel did according to the word of Moses; and they borrowed of the Egyptians jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment:
Hey can we borrow some of our diamonds, gold & oil back?
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/2/2008 6:58:56 PM
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Yeah, I remember when Egypt, and Persia, and Assyria, and Rome, and The European Empires of the past gave 1% of their food in a freewill gift offering to another people in another land.....
That's definitely in my recollection of historical fact.....!?
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is being included in a broader $70 billion Iraq war funding measure for 2009 that the White House sent to Capitol Hill on Thursday.
WE are kidding, right? Remember the verses where Jesus talked about the woman with 2 mites?
this is sad, 770 million in a 70 billion dollar war , where we have sent 500 billion aready, this same said 770 million is supposed to be spread out over 55 countries? Africa is a CONTINENT.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/2/2008 7:01:45 PM
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Exo 12:35 And the children of Israel did according to the word of Moses; and they borrowed of the Egyptians jewels of silver, and jewels of gold, and raiment:
Hey can we borrow some of our diamonds, gold & oil back?
Well, Saudi Arabia does finance some of the debt we carry through Treasury bonds. Does that seem to fit the bill?
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/2/2008 7:32:03 PM
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Its amazing to me that the same people who cry out the injustices of the wealthy want to use monies...that which causes wealth...to cure problems.
Its akin to giving drugs to cure a drug addict.
Poverty is caused by the lack of Christ.
Poverty in Africa is more political than it is social or economics.
We could probably cure most of Africa's problems by conqueoring it...but I am sure many would object
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/2/2008 7:40:09 PM
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Furthermore, the quality of the aid has been poor
What do you want us to send: steak. Too often the food that has been sent rots on the docks due to political unrest or lousy infastructure.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/2/2008 9:20:05 PM
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Its akin to giving drugs to cure a drug addict.
Poverty is caused by the lack of Christ.
Poverty in Africa is more political than it is social or economics.
While African does self-inflict many of it's problems...the current high food prices are a direct result of market speculators in the commodities market. The African countries have no control over that.
btw, this aid amounts to what we spend in one week in Iraq.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/2/2008 10:18:56 PM
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Poverty is caused by the lack of Christ.
Lev 25:39 And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee; thou shalt not compel him to serve as a bondservant:
Job 20:19 Because he hath oppressed and hath forsaken the poor; because he hath violently taken away an house which he builded not;
The Bible states clearly why people are poor, do some of the poor have Jesus. YES.
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We could probably cure most of Africa's problems by conqueoring it...but I am sure many would object
Conquer it? You already did that. by colonization, stripping of 10 million peoples, gold, oil, diamonds, coca, animals. Christian missionary work, African aid to them.
What else you got?
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/2/2008 10:21:13 PM
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Furthermore, the quality of the aid has been poor
What do you want us to send: steak. Too often the food that has been sent rots on the docks due to political unrest or lousy infastructure.
Actually that quote is from a paper, I tracy want america to give back all that was stolen.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/2/2008 10:22:17 PM
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...the current high food prices are a direct result of market speculators in the commodities market
the push to ethanol is the main reason for the speculation! Why do you hate capitalism?
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Actually that quote is from a paper, I tracy want america to give back all that was stolen.
and this is? An AA child born in poverty in this country is much better off than a child born in the Sudan.
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/2/2008 11:44:31 PM
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Furthermore, the quality of the aid has been poor
What do you want us to send: steak. Too often the food that has been sent rots on the docks due to political unrest or lousy infastructure.
Actually that quote is from a paper, I tracy want america to give back all that was stolen.
There are many other nations involved too. Why is it the USA's responsibility alone?
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RE: 770 million in food aid to Africa! War on World Hu... - 5/2/2008 11:53:26 PM
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and this is? An AA child born in poverty in this country is much better off than a child born in the Sudan.
you want the list,
the wages off 200+ years of slavery, cotton, tobacco, rice. How much is that. I want every company that made money off slavery, every one.
Rubber, no tires for cars, it is stolen from Liberia, Firestone tires is still there with their plantations. diamonds- 500 years of diamonds from South Africa. gold, oil from Nigeria, cocoa, plant, this means you cannot have chocolate, animals, elephants, tigers are not native to US.
I'll take all these also, they were invented by black people
air conditioning unit: Frederick M. Jones; July 12, 1949
almanac: Benjamin Banneker; Approx 1791
auto cut-off switch: Granville T. Woods; January 1,1839
auto fishing devise: G. Cook; May 30, 1899
automatic gear shift: Richard Spikes; February 28, 1932
baby buggy: W.H. Richardson; June 18, 1899
bicycle frame: L.R. Johnson; Octber 10, 1899
biscuit cutter: A.P. Ashbourne; November 30, 1875
blood plasma bag: Charles Drew; Approx. 1945
cellular phone: Henry T. Sampson; July 6, 1971
chamber commode: T. Elkins; January 3, 1897
clothes dryer: G. T. Sampson; June 6, 1862
curtain rod: S. R. Scratton; November 30, 1889
curtain rod support: William S. Grant; August 4, 1896
door knob: O. Dorsey; December 10, 1878
door stop: O. Dorsey; December 10, 1878
dust pan: Lawrence P. Ray; August 3, 1897
egg beater: Willie Johnson; February 5, 1884
electric lampbulb: Lewis Latimer; March 21, 1882
elevator: Alexander Miles; October 11, 1867
eye protector: P. Johnson; November 2, 1880
fire escape ladder: J. W. Winters; May 7, 1878
fire extinguisher: T. Marshall; October 26, 1872
folding bed: L. C. Bailey; July 18, 1899
folding chair: Brody & Surgwar; June 11, 1889
fountain pen: W. B. Purvis; January 7, 1890
furniture caster: O. A. Fisher; 1878
gas mask: Garrett Morgan; October 13, 1914
golf tee: T. Grant; December 12, 1899
guitar: Robert F. Flemming, Jr. March 3, 1886
hair brush: Lydia O. Newman; November 15,18--
hand stamp: Walter B. Purvis; February 27, 1883
horse shoe: J. Ricks; March 30, 1885
ice cream scooper: A. L. Cralle; February 2, 1897
improv. sugar making: Norbet Rillieux; December 10, 1846
insect-destroyer gun: A. C. Richard; February 28, 1899
ironing board: Sarah Boone; December 30, 1887
key chain: F. J. Loudin; January 9, 1894
lantern: Michael C. Harvey; August 19, 1884
lawn mower: L. A. Burr; May 19, 1889
lawn sprinkler: J. W. Smith; May 4, 1897
lemon squeezer: J. Thomas White; December 8, 1893
lock: W. A. Martin; July 23, 18--
lubricating cup: Ellijah McCoy; November 15, 1895
lunch pail: James Robinson; 1887
mail box: Paul L. Downing; October 27, 1891
mop: Thomas W. Stewart; June 11, 1893
motor: Frederick M. Jones; June 27, 1939
peanut butter: George Washington Carver; 1896
pencil sharpener: J. L. Love; November 23, 1897
record player arm: Joseph Hunger Dickenson January 8, 1819
refrigerator: J. Standard; June 14, 1891
riding saddles: W. D. Davis; October 6, 1895
rolling pin: John W. Reed; 1864
shampoo headrest: C. O. Bailiff; October 11, 1898
spark plug: Edmond Berger; February 2, 1839
stethoscope: Imhotep; Ancient Egypt
stove: T. A. Carrington; July 25, 1876
straightening comb: Madam C. J. Walker; Approx 1905
street sweeper: Charles B. Brooks; March 17, 1890
phone transmitter: Granville T. Woods; December 2, 1884
thermostat control: Frederick M. Jones; February 23, 1960
traffic light: Garrett Morgan; November 20, 1923
tricycle: M. A. Cherry; May 6, 1886
typewriter: Burridge & Marshman; April 7, 1885
And this is just the acknowledged list, I wonder what the unoffical list looks like?
I'll take all the AA children and people(from tiger woods to colin powell,) born here, get on ships go back, and when we get there you can have your guns, there are no gun factories in Africa.
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There are many other nations involved too. Why is it the USA's responsibility alone?
I'd strip Europe also. They can live off their natural resources, make every european go back, leave the Native americans, and all their resources........ you also have to give back to mexico, central and south america all their gold, marijuana, coca plant(lidocaine, novicaine), make meth for painkillers. I would be in Europe a long time, stripping castles and palaces, art work, the Museum of Cairo in Britain, tiaras from the Queen, I would strip Belguim down to nakedness for what King Leopold did to the Congolese people, I would get all the Nazi Loot out of the Swiss vaults for Jews, I could have fun,fun,fun.
Also Afghansitan, etc would get back all their poppy seeds, no morphine either. Keep the brandy made from grapes from france, we can live without it.
Once we got to Africa. Moslems gotta move around as all Europeans.
I would take all the income, restore it, throw them shiny rocks back on the ground,translate the Bible into all languages, build wells, feed them so they don't have to eat gorillas, give them vaccines, meds, repopulate the animals, get traintracks laid. visit the Pyramids, take some pixs, go home to my land among the nigerians, rest. Praise G-D,
Thank Him for His Mercy.
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