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jreno35049 -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/8/2008 1:33:07 PM)

I currently sing in a regional group called To The End. Tonight we are opening for Gold City Quartet. Situations like that are very helpful in the growth of regional/ local groups and exposes new music to fans of SG music.

I have never cared if the label on the group was local, regional or full time; I have only cared if the group was talented and had a sincere desire to minister through their music.



prt3348 -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/8/2008 2:58:36 PM)

Hey, Jimmy, I'm with you . I hate the term "local group", as every
group is local to somewhere. I prefer "part time professional" as that's the way I feel about our quartet. Yes, it is good for part time professional groups to open for a nationally known group, a church , a restaurant, or wherever, if the promoters feel they are & have quality material. We will be opening for the Dove Brothers and New Gound on May 16 at The Ritz
Theatre here in Talladega @ 7:00 P M. Hope to see a lot of friends here in town.



DeeAnnBailey -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/8/2008 4:52:41 PM)

I enjoy a lot of 'local talent' and look forward to seeing them in concerts. But everything in moderation. There is a annual concert that I used to go to every year - they would have 1 or 2 main groups but at least 3 lesser known groups including themselves. They would give the other 2 lesser known groups anywhere from 30-35 minutes and they would take almost an hour so if your concert started at 7:00, it was 9:00 or after before the first 'main' group hit the stage, if you had 2 groups the second would hit it after 10:00. In between each group it would take 10-15 minutes to 'set up' and a local former DJ would tell the stupidest jokes even heard! He wanted to so bad to be funny but in truth, he wasn't. He would drag the group introductions out for 5-7 minutes.

One night the last group to appear went on stage on 10:35. They planned to have an intermission and a second half (just a couple of songs for each group) after than. There was almost no one in the audience to sing to.

I seldom go to the event any more. It's funny a while back I was gathering some information for a possible article and a lady I just knew over the internet told me something similar about a concert and I asked her where it was held - it as the same one. I realized then I wasn't the only one who just gave up.

The group that promotes it often gripes about folks not supporting SGM like they used to but the fact is the concert wasn't convenient for travelling to, you listened to more talking than singing, you ended up with 4-6 groups singing 35 mins to an hour (and sometimes, their kids and/or grandkids thrown in too), it was outside and hot. That's not a good combo for drawing a crowd.



MsJudy -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/8/2008 5:51:07 PM)

I agree with you 100% Dee.................



goldcityquartetfan -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/8/2008 7:38:31 PM)

I think it is great to showcase groups that people may not know about. Sure its a great way to help a smaller group out. The problem many times is that these groups forget why most people came and dont adhere to their time limits. They often times use the excuse that the "holy Spirit" told them to sing another. I have even seen some local "professional" groups sing the current radio song or a past hit of the headliner before they came on. Many think its there chance to showup the big group and prove they are just as good. Like it was said earlier, as long as it is advertised and they stick to a time frame, it works.



robertyork -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/8/2008 7:51:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: goldcityquartetfan

The problem many times is that these groups forget why most people came and dont adhere to their time limits. They often times use the excuse that the "holy Spirit" told them to sing another.

You need a GOOD MC to handle such programs. If you give a group 30 minutes, the MC is on stage at the end of the 30 minutes and they cut the group off. I promote concerts and I give groups a set amount of time. I expect them to be off stage within a couple of minutes of their time. If not you won't see them back at a concert I promote. I know several other promoters that does the same. I know one that if a major group is not off in their time limits the MC will cut them off also.

BTW I have a regional PT group open at 99% of my concerts.



DeeAnnBailey -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/8/2008 8:32:33 PM)

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You need a GOOD MC to handle such programs. If you give a group 30 minutes, the MC is on stage at the end of the 30 minutes and they cut the group off. I promote concerts and I give groups a set amount of time. I expect them to be off stage within a couple of minutes of their time. If not you won't see them back at a concert I promote. I know several other promoters that does the same. I know one that if a major group is not off in their time limits the MC will cut them off also.




YES!!!!!!!!



dbmurray -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/8/2008 8:38:59 PM)

Robert,
That's true about a good MC holding groups to their specified time, but then the MC typically blabbers on for five minutes or more about nothing. If a promoter only books groups that operate with a professional mindset, the time issue shouldn't be a problem.

The last concert I promoted had three groups on the bill. The first group introduced the second, and the second group introduced the headliner. We had two sets plus an intermission. The headliner sang for a solid hour on the first set and had about 20 minutes at the end of the evening as well. In three hours, there were groups on the stage performing for 2 hours and 50 minutes. The fans got their $12 worth.

Now, on the other hand, if an MC brings something to the table in terms of adding to the entertainment factor, then I'm all for it.



robertyork -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/8/2008 8:41:52 PM)

I MC most of my programs. That way I can move it along. Quite often I have to wait on the next group to be ready to go.



BBfan -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/8/2008 8:58:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: robertyork

I MC most of my programs. That way I can move it along. Quite often I have to wait on the next group to be ready to go.

I've been to one of his concerts and I can say he isn't long winded or tries to be a comedian. Just gets the job done...[:D]



DeeAnnBailey -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/8/2008 9:07:29 PM)

Something I see a lot is local DJs are asked to MC. The promoter is hoping the DJ will mention they are going to be there a few time in addition to any ads they have bought with him. The DJ usually does but there have been times when it was a 'decent but not great group' that I decided NOT to go because I just didn't want to sit through the DJ who thought folks really wanted to hear him talk, laugh, act goofy, etc for 10 minutes between each group. Now I know it takes a couple of minutes for the next group to set up usually but the minute they are ready to go - give it to them and get off the stage.

One of my favorite concerts a few years ago, the last song on a group's set the next group would come out and join them on the last chorus. They would then move to the next set, no down time, no MC, just smooth moving from one group to the next.



utilityfielder -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/8/2008 10:24:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GVfan

For me, it depends on how the concert is promoted. If the concert is promoted for a "name group," then I like to see one opening local/regional group or a soloist for maybe 15 minutes. There is a LOT of local talent and a lot of it is really good. However, if the "name group" is what was advertised and promoted, that needs to be foremost in the promoters' mind when assigning time during the concert. I've been to many concerts where one or more local/regional groups performed for 30-45 minutes and I was not pleased. If I had known in advance that would have been fine.



As a rock and roll fan I am trying to get a handle on this. How long is the set of the headlining group?
It is standard in the rock world the opening act will play for 30 minutes and the headliners will play for 90 to 120 minutes.



Kerrlaw1 -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/8/2008 10:31:34 PM)

Gary: It is extremely rare for a Southern Gospel group to sing for 90-120 minutes. I don't know that I've ever seen that.



utilityfielder -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/8/2008 10:39:58 PM)

Ok, so what is the ideal ratio of time for opening acts and headliners??



Kerrlaw1 -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/8/2008 10:47:06 PM)

If there are two groups: Opening act 25 minutes, headliners one hour. Then two song encore after intermission by the openers and five song encore by headliner.

Often there are three or four major groups, or what you might call one opening act and three major groups. The major groups do about 45 minutes encores, opening act 20 minutes or so. Encores are usually one or two songs each.



danielmount -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/9/2008 6:58:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kerrlaw1

Gary: It is extremely rare for a Southern Gospel group to sing for 90-120 minutes. I don't know that I've ever seen that.


Signature Sound does.



Seaton -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/9/2008 7:33:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: danielmount

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ORIGINAL: Kerrlaw1

Gary: It is extremely rare for a Southern Gospel group to sing for 90-120 minutes. I don't know that I've ever seen that.


Signature Sound does.


That is because EHSS doesn't have an opening act to contend with. I have been in several concerts when there was only one group on the 'bill' and that group easily did (2) hours. The Hoppers come to mind on more than one occassion.

The thing is, it is a rareity in Southern Gospel music to go and only have one scheduled group on the program.



robertyork -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/9/2008 7:41:26 AM)

I often have problems with the major groups wanting to sing that long. Numerous times they have been given an hour time before break and they will cut that time short and the time given after break is also cut short. I usually have a three hour window. Opening group 30-40 minutes. Major group one hour. 15 minute break. Major group only after break for 45 - 60 minutes. THey all get a schedule well before concert time so they know how much time they have.



GVfan -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/9/2008 7:46:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: robertyork

I often have problems with the major groups wanting to sing that long. Numerous times they have been given an hour time before break and they will cut that time short and the time given after break is also cut short. I usually have a three hour window. Opening group 30-40 minutes. Major group one hour. 15 minute break. Major group only after break for 45 - 60 minutes. THey all get a schedule well before concert time so they know how much time they have.


and I've NEVER been disappointed in any of your opening groups!



robertyork -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/9/2008 7:50:47 AM)

THANKS Donna. I try to have the better quality groups for openers. I've seen and heard them before I give them the opportunity to open. That's the reason I keep using the same three or four groups to open. If another great group comes along I'll try them out. Look at were Voices Won is going 'Fishing Trip' has made SN charts. Next month it will be even higher on the charts.



Seaton -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/9/2008 8:48:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: robertyork

I often have problems with the major groups wanting to sing that long. Numerous times they have been given an hour time before break and they will cut that time short and the time given after break is also cut short. I usually have a three hour window. Opening group 30-40 minutes. Major group one hour. 15 minute break. Major group only after break for 45 - 60 minutes. THey all get a schedule well before concert time so they know how much time they have.


I can understand if they are already on the program with 2 or 3 other artists. I am sure certain artists, if they were the only one on the program would be willing to sing longer if something was negotiated in the contract.

There been at least a half dozen times when I have seen the Hoppers (only artist on the program) and they easily sang (2) hours. The one time it was (2.5). There have been other artists that I have seen do this as well.

On the other hand there have been some artists (only one on the program) who barely sang 45 minutes before taking an intermission and coming back for only a couple of songs. I understand it comes down to what has been negotiated in the contract.



jabird41 -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/9/2008 9:28:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: danielmount

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ORIGINAL: Kerrlaw1

Gary: It is extremely rare for a Southern Gospel group to sing for 90-120 minutes. I don't know that I've ever seen that.


Signature Sound does.




I was going to point that out. One of the reasons I like their concerts so much. I'm a fan of the one (maybe two) big group concerts...and I like as much singing as I can get them to give me. [sm=icon_smile_sing.gif]



Seaton -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/9/2008 9:38:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jabird41

I was going to point that out. One of the reasons I like their concerts so much. I'm a fan of the one (maybe two) big group concerts...and I like as much singing as I can get them to give me. [sm=icon_smile_sing.gif]


Me too!!



robertyork -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/9/2008 9:52:53 AM)

Do concert goers like one or two artist or do they like, multi. 5-6 artist?
Seems to me that packed audiences come from multi events. Take a look at recent Singing In Sun. Artist only got 25-30 minutes to perform. The place was packed out. Other concert venues where there are only one or two artist and they are not near full.

Might be a good poll question.



DeeAnnBailey -> RE: How do you feel about local/regional groups opening for the major groups (5/9/2008 10:11:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: robertyork

Do concert goers like one or two artist or do they like, multi. 5-6 artist?
Seems to me that packed audiences come from multi events. Take a look at recent Singing In Sun. Artist only got 25-30 minutes to perform. The place was packed out. Other concert venues where there are only one or two artist and they are not near full.

Might be a good poll question.


Robert, a few months ago I gathered some info on the perfect concert - most folks seemed to perfer 1-3 artists with the majority saying no more than 2 with a possible local for 15-20 to start the concert. They would go to the others because they wanted to see a group they enjoyed.

But just from what I've seen over the years the reason you have more people at multi artist events is not because the people prefer the mutli-artist events but that you have fans of more groups there wanting to see their favs. Those same folks often don't stay in their seats when other groups are singing.



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