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I guess I'm just one of those silly people who still thinks killing is wrong regardless of the situation.

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Maybe I'm even sillier to think that pulling up for a lethal shot at someone running away is even worse.

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Maybe I'm silliest for putting God's Laws about Texas's.

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ORIGINAL: rnershigh

This criminal had already tried to break into this man's house once.
He decided to give it another go.
He paid with his life.

Simple as that.
It's the law in Texas that a owner can defend their property, and obviously Texans know this.
So this criminal was taking a risk and he lost.
I'm not rejoicing his death.
I'm just saddened this person found it necessary to resort to burglary.

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So are you happy he was shot the second time?

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Again, most criminals don't understand the notion of planning ahead or worrying about consequences.

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Unless we want anarchy, this is normally the government's job.

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Except, of course, the kid's family might want revenge, so he might have just gotten himself into a world of trouble.

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If you shot my son, I'd understand if you thought he was threatening you. Law or not, if you killed my son while he was running away, I'd be tempted to ensure there was a revenge killing of another sort. And after everything is done, after we've plucked out everybody's eyes, everyone's blind.

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

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Maybe I'm silliest for putting God's Laws about Texas's.

Which one is that?

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How would shooting someone who is running off your property be defending it?

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

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How would shooting someone who is running off your property be defending it?

Running away from you does not mean it is over. What if he were running and after 50' turned and shot you?

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The not killing one.

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Unless you see justification in Scripture for purposely killing someone who was taking mere material possessions from you.

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What if that thug looking guy I casually past on the street today was going to turn and shoot me?

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

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How would shooting someone who is running off your property be defending it?

Running away from you does not mean it is over. What if he were running and after 50' turned and shot you?

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Carmen and Burnell Glass, two God-fearing cotton farmers from the fields of West Texas, are looking to a higher law these days in grappling with the sudden, violent death of their son.

For others, the slaying of Tracy Glass raises questions embedded firmly in the Texas Penal Code.

The case, experts said, hinges on whether a Northwest Side homeowner thought deadly force was his only option to protect himself or recover property when he chased the unarmed college student to the street and shot him to death.

Raymond Lemes, 48, found Glass inside his house early Saturday morning. Believing Glass was an intruder, Lemes grabbed his .40-caliber handgun and chased the young man outside, where he shot him in the neck, arm and chest, according to a police report.

The report does not indicate whether Glass, 19, took anything from the home. Lemes later told police he meant to detain Glass until authorities arrived, but he fired when Glass "lunged at him," the report says.

Buoyed by their Christian faith, the Glasses already have forgiven Lemes, whom they've never met. But the grieving parents also believe that the slaying of their son was a terrible mistake triggered when he mistakenly entered Lemes' house and then turned to face the homeowner.

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Glass, a sophomore at Angelo State University who grew up on his family's farm, had been staying at his sister's house on Autumn Evening the night he died.

That house is painted white with blue trim and is on the right side of the cul-de-sac. Lemes' house is also white with blue trim and is on the right side of another cul-de-sac, Autumn Star. One home is directly behind the other.

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

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The not killing one.

Context?

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Unless you see justification in Scripture for purposely killing someone who was taking mere material possessions from you.

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I do see it.

So I have broke into your house in the middle of the night and I tell you "I am here to just take mere possesions, do not defend yourself". Would you rest easy and say, "ok, just lock up after you leave"?

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ORIGINAL: henny

Here's the story about the Raymond Lemes guy that the article referenced.

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Carmen and Burnell Glass, two God-fearing cotton farmers from the fields of West Texas, are looking to a higher law these days in grappling with the sudden, violent death of their son.

For others, the slaying of Tracy Glass raises questions embedded firmly in the Texas Penal Code.

The case, experts said, hinges on whether a Northwest Side homeowner thought deadly force was his only option to protect himself or recover property when he chased the unarmed college student to the street and shot him to death.

Raymond Lemes, 48, found Glass inside his house early Saturday morning. Believing Glass was an intruder, Lemes grabbed his .40-caliber handgun and chased the young man outside, where he shot him in the neck, arm and chest, according to a police report.

The report does not indicate whether Glass, 19, took anything from the home. Lemes later told police he meant to detain Glass until authorities arrived, but he fired when Glass "lunged at him," the report says.

Buoyed by their Christian faith, the Glasses already have forgiven Lemes, whom they've never met. But the grieving parents also believe that the slaying of their son was a terrible mistake triggered when he mistakenly entered Lemes' house and then turned to face the homeowner.

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Glass, a sophomore at Angelo State University who grew up on his family's farm, had been staying at his sister's house on Autumn Evening the night he died.

That house is painted white with blue trim and is on the right side of the cul-de-sac. Lemes' house is also white with blue trim and is on the right side of another cul-de-sac, Autumn Star. One home is directly behind the other.

I wonder if the boy just confused the houses.

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Reading further in that article gives some very excellent reasons why this is a bad law ...

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“The danger of empowering people to use deadly force is that they are not trained to recognize friend or foe in highly dangerous situations,” he said. “Oftentimes, a stranger in a house turns out to be a drunken neighbor or a relative.”

I disagree with this point in the article, because while it is true that police officers are trained to deal with situations such as this, the fact is that if you confront an intruder in your home, it is just you and him. The police are not there, but you are, and you have milliseconds at best to make a decision. I've thought about how i would react in the same situation, and i have determined that i will kill the intruder if i do not recognize him/her because i would have to assume that they are there to do my loved ones harm, time would not permit the luxury of an interview with the person to determine his intentions.

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ORIGINAL: HisFish
I disagree with this point in the article, because while it is true that police officers are trained to deal with situations such as this, the fact is that if you confront an intruder in your home, it is just you and him. The police are not there, but you are, and you have milliseconds at best to make a decision. I've thought about how i would react in the same situation, and i have determined that i will kill the intruder if i do not recognize him/her because i would have to assume that they are there to do my loved ones harm, time would not permit the luxury of an interview with the person to determine his intentions.

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The context is. . . do not kill. I see it pretty much as simple as that.

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ORIGINAL: TomTurn

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The context is. . . do not kill. I see it pretty much as simple as that.

That is your choice to not kill but that is not what it means.

Work out our own salvation.

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The bottom part of the post above was not meant to be included in the quote, those are my words. Doh!

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I'd be ready to use a gun if I saw him as a threat to my life or the lives of others.

Short of that, I wouldn't see the need to shoot someone.

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ORIGINAL: HisFish
I've thought about how i would react in the same situation, and i have determined that i will kill the intruder if i do not recognize him/her because i would have to assume that they are there to do my loved ones harm, time would not permit the luxury of an interview with the person to determine his intentions.

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Looks like the story gets a little more complicated.

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ORIGINAL: stellaluna

Please bear in mind that the number of people shot under these circumstances is miniscule compared to the number of Texans with guns.

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It's kind of bizarre when you read all of them together, though, as you get the impression that Texas is some sort of Mad Max-esque post-apocalyptic wasteland where all its citizens are packing 24-7 and people are whipping out their guns and engaging in shootouts in the streets at all hours of the day.

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ORIGINAL: Jhud

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It's kind of bizarre when you read all of them together, though, as you get the impression that Texas is some sort of Mad Max-esque post-apocalyptic wasteland where all its citizens are packing 24-7 and people are whipping out their guns and engaging in shootouts in the streets at all hours of the day.

Actually, the impression I get is that Texas has a lot of really, really, stupid criminals.