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tracydolls -> RE: My Political Vote (5/16/2008 11:24:35 AM)

Most people just go to Memphis like they do for alot of other stuff.


Too bad Mississippi don't take care of the babies once they get here.

they have a very poor record on EVERYTHING else



ElmerFishpaw -> RE: My Political Vote (5/16/2008 2:31:57 PM)

I"m not saying if your assumption is right or wrong...believe what you will about me. You don't convince me of anything and vice versa I'm certain, so be it.





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ORIGINAL: P31W

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Yes, Non Christians have valid beliefs, believe it or not. My faith has nothing to do with this discussion since this is an issue affecting
anyone of any faith...(although it is a Christian board...so maybe it does..hmmm) and here's something I found long ago, that Christians don't have the lock on what is moral or not.


OK so I take it you are not a Christian. Believe it or not I simply don't want to discuss this matter with you. We have differant core beliefs and you cannot understand or see things the way that I as a Christian do.



P31W -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 7:38:17 AM)

[quoteToo bad Mississippi don't take care of the babies once they get here.

they have a very poor record on EVERYTHING else ]

Tracy,

This is the second time you have made such a silly comment. My dear at least here in Mississippi our babies are given a CHANCE TO LIVE and are born in hospitals and wrapped in blankets, given formula to drink EVEN if the mother does not want them. They are also given warm blankets and if the mother does not want them they have people "waiting" to take those babies home and love them and raise them.

In "your state" they are not allowed to be born. They are considered "waste" by the state, hospital, doctor, mother and are taken out with the hospital''s hazardist waste trash.

Now if you will do something about YOUR state that would be a great first start. Don't knock my state who has the lowest baby murder rate in the nation unless of course you are a closet "proabortion" person? That is what you appear to be. A person who never says "praise God" those babies are given a chance to live. Instead you knock our state because we are willing to do what "Yours" is not.

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Most people just go to Memphis like they do for alot of other stuff.


Do you have statistics to prove this or is this just some more of the silly garbage you like to make up?

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I find it very interesting that the TWO times I have been asked on this forum what can be done to help stop aboriton Tracy has to pop in and somehow try to say our state is evil. AND the poster who ask me the question is dead silent......as if they don't realize state laws come into play here as well and there are MANY things we Christians can do to prevent the murder of babies.

That's very telling to me.



Closie -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 8:01:57 AM)

According to the CDC, Mississippi has the highest infant mortality rate in the country (10%). As I understand it and correct me if I'm wrong, that does not include aborted babies. It's babies who were born, but for whatever reason, didn't reach their first birthday. Because Mississippians are so pro-life, I'm quite sure that they are distressed by that number and seek politicians who care just as much about the babies outside of the womb as they do inside of the womb. They surely want all babies to have the chance to become productive citizens.



lightshineon -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 10:33:11 AM)

Is Wic and Medicade not avalible in Mississipi, or food stamps? Pro-choice starts with keeping them drawers on.
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ORIGINAL: Closie

According to the CDC, Mississippi has the highest infant mortality rate in the country (10%). As I understand it and correct me if I'm wrong, that does not include aborted babies. It's babies who were born, but for whatever reason, didn't reach their first birthday. Because Mississippians are so pro-life, I'm quite sure that they are distressed by that number and seek politicians who care just as much about the babies outside of the womb as they do inside of the womb. They surely want all babies to have the chance to become productive citizens.



tracydolls -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 10:56:20 AM)

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This is the second time you have made such a silly comment. My dear at least here in Mississippi our babies are given a CHANCE TO LIVE and are born in hospitals and wrapped in blankets, given formula to drink EVEN if the mother does not want them.



Is it silly to say that Mississippi is 50 in everything. Abortions are still legal in your state as mine. But what does not go on in my state is the poor education, the third world conditions that children are born into.


I go to Miss. every year, going in July G-D willing. I have pics of some of those children in the back cotton fields! They are not treated well. Alos since my family the Whitfields have alot of plantations still in Monroe Co. etc. visit there also. My husband is from there! We go to Winona, Vaiden, Jackson, etc. all the time. I visit the Confed. Museum in Vicksburg, been all over. All the way down to Wilkerson Co. Got tons of friends, family there.

I been to alot of states none as bad as Miss. NONE!

This is video of JohnGrisham a Christian talking about his home state. How cruel they have become.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/01252008/watch4.html

your right Thank G-d babies are not aborted. Every one that is saved is good.


I just don't see where racism, death penalty, malnutrtion of kids, etc. is right also.


I called my sister in law and asked her about where do people go to get abortions. She said Memphis. Like alot of stuff. I said why not in Miss. she said no ones trusts doctors there. period.

Here is from just scanning the net, what is said about Miss.


"'While the money goes unspent, only twenty-five percent of Mississippi's former welfare recipients are working full-time, the lowest post-welfare employment rate recorded by any state so far. "'


"'Even in the desolate, 12-county stretch of bayous and cotton fields of the Mississippi Delta, welfare rolls have dropped as much as 77 percent, but unemployment is still three times above the national average."'


"Critics of welfare reform repeatedly asked, What about Mississippi?' They feared that the Magnolia State, where 80 percent of welfare recipients were African-American, would lead a race to the bottom,' by cutting its benefits.

At the time, Mississippi's welfare benefit of just $120 a month for a single mother with two children was the lowest in the nation."


And they cut the 120 dollars.



P31W -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 11:16:17 AM)

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According to the CDC, Mississippi has the highest infant mortality rate in the country (10%). As I understand it and correct me if I'm wrong, that does not include aborted babies. It's babies who were born, but for whatever reason, didn't reach their first birthday. Because Mississippians are so pro-life, I'm quite sure that they are distressed by that number and seek politicians who care just as much about the babies outside of the womb as they do inside of the womb. They surely want all babies to have the chance to become productive citizens.


No cheers that we have helped to save babies lives through touch state laws restricting abortion?

Yes the 10% rate does not deal with abortions.

The first thing we have in place are laws that protect the child from murders like most other states have. Abuse and neglect is also against the law.

If you study this group you will find that most don't do what their doctors ask them to do and won't take care of themselves while they are pregnant and after the baby is born they don't take them in for the free checkups. (remember at one time they kicked around "paying" parents to take their babies for checkups or pay them if their children attend school on a regular basis------my view is take their children away from them and tie their tubes) In my eyes these people are involved in abuse and neglect.



P31W -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 11:17:41 AM)

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Is Wic and Medicade not avalible in Mississipi, or food stamps? Pro-choice starts with keeping them drawers on.


Goodness yes!!! We are the biggest welfare state in the nation. That is one of the reasons our out of wedlock pregnancy rate is so very high. ALL teenagers here know that the government will "pay you" to have a baby and not be married. For this generation it's common knowledge and in some circles a teenager or young adult who find themselves pregnant is scoffed at if they "consider" marriage because of the benefits they will lose. It makes me sick!!!!!

Welfare is one of the number one reason my state is at the bottom in so many areas. When people are rewarded for their bad behavior it only breeds more bad behavior.

We give our children free education yet one third of them decide to drop out of school. We offer two years free college to students who will maintain a c average and still many refuse to study and are asked to leave. We give them every chance in the world to better their lot in the future but they refuse it.

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Here is from just scanning the net, what is said about Miss


It's against the forum rules to give quotes but not give the source. Simply giving us quotes form "some internet source" is not what we consider reliable information.



P31W -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 11:21:51 AM)

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I just don't see where racism, death penalty, malnutrtion of kids, etc. is right also.


Malnutrition of kids is simply off the wall. If you see a child in Mississippi that is malnurished then call the authorities so the "parents' can be put in prison. Don't blame others or the government if you see or suspect abuse and/or neglect and don't report it.



tracydolls -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 11:32:55 AM)

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Goodness yes!!! We are the biggest welfare state in the nation.



LOL. All stats say the lowest paying at 120 a month! Before the cuts.




http://www.mdhs.state.ms.us/ea_tanf.html


""How much will the TANF payment be?

The amount of the TANF payment is based on the family's income. When the income does not meet the TANF Program Need Standard, the family may be approved for a money payment up to the State maximum for that household size. Monthly payments in Mississippi are limited to no more than:

$110 for the first person
$36 for the second person
$24 for each additional person



P31W -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 11:44:16 AM)

Tracey,

It also cost less to live here. They also get free school lunches and breakfast, free medical care, free or low cost housing and the list goes on and on.

Also why is it the government's responsibility to feed my children, educate, cloth, provide shelter, provide recreation?

I don't believe it is.

Scripture teaches us that when we have these types of problems we are to turn to our church family that we have been actively helping to support during our years of plenty.

I believe most Christians fear that idea because they know they have not been "living" they way the are suppose to and the church is not suppose to support people who claim to be Christians but live in sin. They also know they have not been helping their friends and family when they needed help.

It's much easier to be self centered and living in sin if the government gives you help when you need it rather than having to repent of your sins. Live a Christian life and get help the way God told us to. Doing things God's way also requires that we have helped others. It's hard to ask your neighbor for help when you know you ignored his cries for help in the past.



tracydolls -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 12:12:27 PM)

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Live a Christian life and get help the way God told us to.


so you judge weather they are a Christian before you help?



Where's the Scripture for that?

My Bible says help the poor. period, that's it.



P31W -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 12:17:31 PM)

This is really a question for the financial folder and it has been discussed there in the past.

Scripture teach us that our first responsibility is to our own family. (that would include our extended family)

Then it is to the church. Those who are truly widows and orphans.

Scripture also tells us who "not" to support. That is just as important because it appears that God uses suffering to bring people to repentance.

Gone to get the scripture

1 Timothy 5:3-16
3 Give proper recognition to those widows who are really in need. 4 But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents, for this is pleasing to God. 5 The widow who is really in need and left all alone puts her hope in God and continues night and day to pray and to ask God for help. 6 But the widow who lives for pleasure is dead even while she lives. 7 Give the people these instructions, too, so that no one may be open to blame. 8 If anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his immediate family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. 9 No widow may be put on the list of widows unless she is over sixty, has been faithful to her husband, 10 and is well known for her good deeds, such as bringing up children, showing hospitality, washing the feet of the saints, helping those in trouble and devoting herself to all kinds of good deeds.

11 As for younger widows, do not put them on such a list. For when their sensual desires overcome their dedication to Christ, they want to marry. 12 Thus they bring judgment on themselves, because they have broken their first pledge. 13 Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. And not only do they become idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying things they ought not to. 14 So I counsel younger widows to marry, to have children, to manage their homes and to give the enemy no opportunity for slander. 15 Some have in fact already turned away to follow Satan.

16 If any woman who is a believer has widows in her family, she should help them and not let the church be burdened with them, so that the church can help those widows who are really in need.

You will also notice that helping the poor in the OT was first for the Jews then to those who were living among them. I don't believe there is any scripture telling the Jews to help the poor outside there area. I may be wrong but I did try to study that at one time.

They way you helped the poor in OT scripture was by giving them the ability to work for it. Only those who were without family and competely physically disabled were to be given a handout.



tracydolls -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 12:20:59 PM)

what if you are saved and poor?



P31W -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 12:25:49 PM)

First you are to turn to your family for help. If you have no family or they refuse to help then you turn to your chruch family for help.

That is going to be handled on a case by case basis within your church - with the people who know you and your situation the best and know. Handling this properly will be best for the individual, the family and the chruch. That is who God gave the responsibility to.

The passage posted above is pretty clear.



tracydolls -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 12:29:57 PM)

So we as Chrisitians should not help the poor?

ok.



Closie -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 12:46:44 PM)

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No cheers that we have helped to save babies lives through touch state laws restricting abortion?

Yes the 10% rate does not deal with abortions.

The first thing we have in place are laws that protect the child from murders like most other states have. Abuse and neglect is also against the law.

If you study this group you will find that most don't do what their doctors ask them to do and won't take care of themselves while they are pregnant and after the baby is born they don't take them in for the free checkups. (remember at one time they kicked around "paying" parents to take their babies for checkups or pay them if their children attend school on a regular basis------my view is take their children away from them and tie their tubes) In my eyes these people are involved in abuse and neglect.


Cheers for saving babies only to have them die within a year of birth? My views are that death in or out of the womb is wrong and should be a concern to any politician. I'm not going to vote for someone who want to institute policies that ignore babies dying.

"If you study this group...." Most babies under the age of 1 can't get themselves to the doctor nor control their nutrition so I don't see 'this group' as being responsible. Seems to me you're talking about their parents.

I don't support paying parents to do right thing. The funny thing is though, it all comes down to money. If the kids get sick and are on Medicaid, working citizens pay. If you pay parents to do preventive care, working citizens make the payments. If you take the kids from their parents and put them in foster care, working citizens pay for the foster care or institution. Do none of that and kids wind up juvenile delinquents, working citizens pay for their care till they're 18 and get out or go to Parchman.

My point: Mississippi's has laws and regs that save the unborn. Wonderful for them. The state is not safe for the most innocent of those outside the womb. Shame on them. Don't brag one politicians without accepting responsibility on the other.

Maybe if Toyota has good insurance, fewer babies will die which will make the governor's redistribution of Gulf relief moneies all worth it, huh?



RHardin15 -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 12:47:41 PM)

I think it's obvious that Christians should help the poor. I don't think the government should help the poor though. The Church is supposed to help the poor. Each Church body can only do so much, but in my hometown alone, I know of hundreds of Churches, and there are some that don't do anything to help people in need in their immediate surrounding area. In fact, my Church of around 100 people has a much bigger impact on the community than any Church I've ever seen. This is sad, because God specifically told us to feed the hungry and clothe the naked before bringing them the good news.



P31W -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 12:56:03 PM)

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The state is not safe for the most innocent of those outside the womb


This is completely false and you know it.



tracydolls -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 1:01:45 PM)

The Church and the politicians have gotten in bed together.

How is it that the richest country along with some of the richest Churches do not help. I live within a block of 3 Churches. The smallest one with maybe 10 members in a house do more than the biggest with 1000 members.

I see it all over. TBN took in 686 million in one year, the gave 5 million to poor in same year according to their tax records.

So I wonder how are they to get help?

It's obvouis by these boards with Christians it ain't gonna be the Church.


According to these boards, as long as you don't get an abortion or do gay stuff, you don't have to help the poor, you can be a huge racist, hateful, be rich and greedy and still go to Heaven.


Now I question do I really want to go and live forever with some of these people?



P31W -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 1:09:09 PM)

TBN is not the church.



Closie -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 1:21:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: P31W

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The state is not safe for the most innocent of those outside the womb


This is completely false and you know it.


I don't define 1 out of 10 babies dying as safe. There are policies in place to protect the unborn. Are there none to protect the born? Are people working as hard to have babies removed from abusive, unfit parents as they are to keep those same babies in the womb? I give my vote to people who are pro-life, not people who just anti-abortion. There's a huge difference.

Look, I'm pro-death penalty, pro government run orphanages if needed, pro-sterilization after the second unwed birth. Fine. But don't tell me that just because it's hard to get an abortion in Mississippi that it's a safe place for babies when the stats are clear that it's not. Dying in January vs June....what's the difference?

ETA: And we can talk about your murder stats another time. The murder rate in the capital city is so bad that your governor used to wear a gun and holster. Some of the murdered are probably scum and guilty. If we're pro-life however, we care about all innocents. Be they pre-born, 4 months, 4 years, 14 or 40.



tracydolls -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 1:47:33 PM)

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TBN is not the church.


how comes it's not? According to the TV and it's million of viewers it is.

They sure are fooling ALOT of people.

Where is the Church? That's who I'm looking for.

I have hated and been racist for too long. I'm tired of racism period. By both sides.

I was born poor and live among the poor now. Am I poor by some standards now? NO.

I have walked around "ghetto rich" with my nose in the air against some.


I worked 23 years straight and would get angry at seeing people being lazy. I used to not give them the time of day if asked.

Now I'm just looking for Jesus. And His Church.

He tells me to give to the poor. Stop being prideful, love my neighbor no matter who he or she is.

He is the One getting my vote now.



P31W -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 2:44:32 PM)

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Are there none to protect the born?


Yes there are hundreds of them. For example you cannot take your child into the doctor's office and tell the doctor to suck it's brains out or put a knife in his head because you don't want the child any longer.

You cannot put your child in the middle of the road and leave them there.

You cannot give your child clorox to drink.

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I don't define 1 out of 10 babies dying as safe.


Our children are "safe".

OK so do you want a little medical background here? Half the babies born in Mississippi are to black women. For some unknown reason Black women tend to have high risk pregnancies. We don't exactly know the reason for this but it's across the board in the black community reguardless of education or income.

We are able to bring those "high risk" pregnancies to delivary. Still many are at low birth rate or are born with many health problem.

What percentage of "black" women are giving birth in other states? We must take that into consideration if we want to discover the reasons "why" more babies born during the first year of life in Miss. than in other states.



P31W -> RE: My Political Vote (5/19/2008 2:47:48 PM)

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how comes it's not?


The term "church" in scripture speaks to two types:

The invisiable universal chruch and the local assembly. When we are given instruction in the bible about how the "church" is to do something it's talking about the "local assembly" not some tv or internet group.

The local assembly is given instructions about how the church is to be set up, how we are to conduct ourselves when we come together as the church and so on.



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