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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 6:34:25 PM
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 6:41:21 PM
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All this being said, I wouldn't own an Obama/Curious George T-shirt, and I do consider it overwhelmingly offensive, and not seriously defensible, nor remotely clever. I'd say it is about as highbrow as I'd expect from a rural barkeep, or an ivy-league leftist (in the case of the smirking chimp Bush graphics).
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 7:13:14 PM
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Racism is a reality. Facing it and correcting it is not giving it power.
Ignoring it and pretending it does not exist, that we who acknowledge it's existence are "stuck in the 1920's" or are "giving it power" by doing so is the most ignorant, racist, and disgusting ideology I have heard on the subject, other than that of a relative of mine who was in the Klan, and who believed black people came from a white man mating with gorillas. I grew up hearing this. That man died about ten years ago and still believed it. He refused to acknowledge that blacks are humans.
The idea that any one with more than one feather for a brain, much less a Believer could actually think that racism is nonexistent, or that depicting a black person as a monkey is not derogatory is beyond reason.
As a white person, I have found some of the opinions expressed here horribly embarrassing. as a Christian, I am numb.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 7:15:20 PM
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Yeah, I think it’s extremely sad that in this day age, such a thing isn’t seen as the epitome of racism, which it is. Indeed, this is the essence of racism, the depiction of certain groups of people as being less than people – and it should be seen as believers as an affront not only to blacks, but an offense to God Himself because it depicts those made in his image as common animals. It borders on the demonic.
It rather saddens me that those who strongly disagree with Obama politically (of whom I’m one) can’t rally to his defense as a person, and strongly condemn in no uncertain words people who would do such a thing. It’s shameful, ignorant, and repugnant, and that man should be held up as an example of the worst of us.
Unfortunately, in this day and age the personal and political are seen as one and the
same, and so this is unlikely to happen anytime soon.
Well said Jack.
I honestly was surprised that any one on this forum would try to defend this at all (which is disturbing, especially in the context of some of the other more "borderline" discussions on race that have occurred here). This seems like a clear cut case of racism if there ever was one, and any adult with any grasp of history would recognize that it's meant to push certain racially motivated buttons.
So it's nice to hear a reasonable conservative voice on the issue (from yourself, and from other republicans who have denounced it in the media).
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 7:40:38 PM
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Yeah, I think it’s extremely sad that in this day age, such a thing isn’t seen as the epitome of racism, which it is. Indeed, this is the essence of racism, the depiction of certain groups of people as being less than people – and it should be seen as believers as an affront not only to blacks, but an offense to God Himself because it depicts those made in his image as common animals. It borders on the demonic.
It rather saddens me that those who strongly disagree with Obama politically (of whom I’m one) can’t rally to his defense as a person, and strongly condemn in no uncertain words people who would do such a thing. It’s shameful, ignorant, and repugnant, and that man should be held up as an example of the worst of us.
Unfortunately, in this day and age the personal and political are seen as one and the
same, and so this is unlikely to happen anytime soon.
Brother Jhud, again well said.
Can I claim it's because your a Christian from Minnesota!
Just kidding. If we can get some honesty going among ourselves meaning Christians, who are to be set apart from this world, I think some progress can be made.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 7:48:58 PM
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Yes, to a certain extent, but nowhere as bad as the others. I put CNN down only as a for instance. Do I need to list all the leftwing media outlets there are? I don't have enough time to do that. You got a problem with Fox and Sean Hannity? How about Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham? I already know your answer, so don't bother. Your idea of fair and balanced is probably Al Franken.
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The media, by sensationalizing (and adding its bias) helps sell its agenda to the "masses" who, rather than investigating anything for themselves, will take CNN's soundbites for gospel truth...
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If I substitute "Foxnews'" or "Sean Hannity's" for "CNN's" in the above post, would it still be true?
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 8:11:30 PM
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Poor fella who made the shirt dint mean nothing by it.
"Poor fella"? So Mike Norman is the victim here?
There is no victim with this t-shirt deal, none whatsoever.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 8:31:09 PM
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Go get worked up and do something about "racism" that matters.
For the benefit of the class, please define a form of "racism" that does not matter. Or should some forms of racism be tolerated? If so, which ones?
Not trying to come off as high and mighty here.
It's just that various people who've been close to me during my life have been directly affected by racism, including (to use one example) a truck full of white men hurling racial slurs and beer bottles at one friend's house because her mother was from Mexico. This same friend also slept under her bedroom window more than once to avoid being showered with broken glass when bricks thrown from the same racist idiots would smash her window.
As such, I have an extremely low tolerance for such attitudes.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 8:47:13 PM
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Racism is a reality. Facing it and correcting it is not giving it power.
Ignoring it and pretending it does not exist, that we who acknowledge it's existence are "stuck in the 1920's" or are "giving it power" by doing so is the most ignorant, racist, and disgusting ideology I have heard on the subject, other than that of a relative of mine who was in the Klan, and who believed black people came from a white man mating with gorillas. I grew up hearing this. That man died about ten years ago and still believed it. He refused to acknowledge that blacks are humans.
The idea that any one with more than one feather for a brain, much less a Believer could actually think that racism is nonexistent, or that depicting a black person as a monkey is not derogatory is beyond reason.
Stop being such a pearl grabber, it is a stupid T-shirt, nothing more. Go get worked up and do something about "racism" that matters.
You have no idea what I do to defeat racism. Maybe you need to have a thought in your brain on this topic that matters.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 9:01:45 PM
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Yes, to a certain extent, but nowhere as bad as the others. I put CNN down only as a for instance. Do I need to list all the leftwing media outlets there are? I don't have enough time to do that. You got a problem with Fox and Sean Hannity? How about Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham? I already know your answer, so don't bother. Your idea of fair and balanced is probably Al Franken.
-Dave
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ORIGINAL: davemiller7
The media, by sensationalizing (and adding its bias) helps sell its agenda to the "masses" who, rather than investigating anything for themselves, will take CNN's soundbites for gospel truth...
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If I substitute "Foxnews'" or "Sean Hannity's" for "CNN's" in the above post, would it still be true?
- Julius
Actually, like you claim, I was only using Fox and Hannity as a "for instance". A "for instance" to show that CNN isn't the only media outlet with a political agenda. You acknowledged that "to a certain extent" I was correct. We can move on now.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 10:21:07 PM
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Anybody here realize we are arguing over Curious George, umm a cartoon. Do we not have better things to do. (LOL)
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 10:23:06 PM
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Stop being such a pearl grabber, it is a stupid T-shirt, nothing more. Go get worked up and do something about "racism" that matters.
Why are you so worked up? You've posted how many times, trying to defend this mess. All racism matters, you cannot get into Heaven with it in your heart.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 11:15:20 PM
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Stop being such a pearl grabber, it is a stupid T-shirt, nothing more. Go get worked up and do something about "racism" that matters.
Why are you so worked up? You've posted how many times, trying to defend this mess. All racism matters, you cannot get into Heaven with it in your heart.
Check the thread he started about Jamiel's Law in the CE folder. There's only 17 or so posts in it where a good kid was gunned down based on his race and his father is fighting the laws in California so that other parents don't face what he has had to face.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 11:38:06 PM
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You have no idea what I do to defeat racism. Maybe you need to have a thought in your brain on this topic that matters.
Understanding it is just a t-shirt and not worth gripping your pearls over is one of the better thoughts to take on all this.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 11:42:40 PM
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Why are you so worked up? You've posted how many times, trying to defend this mess.
Well I do have a franchise selling the t-shirts
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All racism matters
No it doesn't
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/16/2008 11:47:46 PM
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No it doesn't
Once again, give me an example of a form of racism you see as permissible.
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Well I do have a franchise selling the t-shirts
Why don't you stroll thru a black neighborhood with it on? I'm sure the locals will find it hilarious.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/17/2008 8:22:01 AM
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Why don't you stroll thru a black neighborhood with it on? I'm sure the locals will find it hilarious.
Why would not one stroll through a black veighborhood with one on?
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/17/2008 9:13:11 AM
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I suppose if it had been a t-shirt with Obama munching on a big slice of watermelon, the denser of this crowd would not have seen anything "racist" about that, either.
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/17/2008 9:40:20 AM
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Once again, give me an example of a form of racism you see as permissible.
Your changing the words. She said all racism matters, I say it does not. As in if this t-shirt is seen as racist, it does not matter. Not that big of a deal.
Main thing is you nor anyone else has proven this t-shirt to be racsit.
But to use your word, "permissible", much of racsim is permissible. We may not like it but it is permissible. I think much of "rap music" is racist and I do not like it but it is permissible.
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Why don't you stroll thru a black neighborhood with it on? I'm sure the locals will find it hilarious.
Some might find it funny. To assume all would dislike it is making a judgement on all based on their race. And what is that called?
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/17/2008 9:42:32 AM
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I highly doubt that he'd even be able to use the defense that some of his best friends are "liberal"
Gay liberals actually
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/17/2008 9:47:10 AM
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I suppose if it had been a t-shirt with Obama munching on a big slice of watermelon, the denser of this crowd would not have seen anything "racist" about that, either.
If it were an actual photo of Obama eating watermelon and it were put on a shirt, would that be racist?
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RE: Curious George/Obama T-Shirt Racist? - 5/17/2008 9:55:05 AM
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For the benefit of the class, please define a form of "racism" that does not matter.
If racist, this t-shirt in question. It will not change anything or anybody on the whole, it is just not enough to really matter
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Or should some forms of racism be tolerated? If so, which ones?
We tolerate forms of racsim all the time. I mentioned above rap music. We have movies that we tolerate. We have books that we tolerate. And on and on.
To many people walk around looking for reasons to be offended and when you do that you are constantly going to be offended.
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I am so sick and tired of everything being racist! That's has to be the media's favorite subject. Actually, Barack Hussein Obama does in fact favor Curious George. A couple of differences I notice are that George is a whole lot cuter and smarter! It's an insult to lil Curious George.