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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 12:36:10 AM
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Well, our L-rd spoke out about a political leader of His main time on earth and called him a fox. Some write that what he actually said was female fox. I don't know -- I never looked it up.
During that time, Messiah became quite vitriolic toward certain Pharisees, and that is also in the Bible. Called them snakes -- the lowest of low. Called them whited seplechres. Even worse than a snake. Did it publically, ripping them up one side and down the other in a long, bone-rattling speech.
He called out the group of men who apparently brought the woman taken in adultery, telling it like it was. Where was the man? Not there, or not admitting his part? They would not admit the truth, so with only one of the adulterers, the group was not qualified to stone her, and He wasn't afraid to shame them for that publically.
He said that anyone who hurt a child should have had a millstone put to their neck, and have been thrown into the sea.
He, who made the laws Kennedy broke sees and knows. In His Book, it says, quote:
Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 12:37:33 AM
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Look John....the moderator already cleaned up this thread once...as it was started in the spirit of praying for the man. I have no issue if you want to start a thread on all the wrongs Sen Kennedy has done...be my guest. It's just tasteless to do it in this thread.
THIS thread?
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 12:41:08 AM
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I stand corrected. I see the original thread was moved to the "praise and prayer" section.
Forgive my intrusion...
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 12:43:17 AM
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Look John....the moderator already cleaned up this thread once...as it was started in the spirit of praying for the man. I have no issue if you want to start a thread on all the wrongs Sen Kennedy has done...be my guest. It's just tasteless to do it in this thread.
Nope... I started this thread... Scroll up... If you want the Saint Ted of Chappaquiddick thread this isn't the one...
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 12:48:52 AM
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Compassion isn’t a self-consciously active emotion. It’s not something that we do with intent, nor is it something that has to be taught or learned. Rather, it’s pretty much the default human condition to empathize with other humans who are in pain, and we feel it (or should feel it) entirely in spite of ourselves or any political or cultural ideology or system of belief that we may hold. Lack of compassion, on the other hand, is learned. It only becomes possible when we actively dehumanize someone to the point that we cease to empathize with them on a human level.
I think it’s disturbing that many Christians seem to be so caught up in the emotion of the political battle that they would cease to empathize with a politician from the opposing “side” on a basic human level, and this is especially ironic given that the very criticism they are leveling against this same politician is that he supposedly lacks compassion for the unborn who have been aborted in this country. You may be entirely right in claiming that Kennedy has demonstrated a lack of compassion in his political stance on abortion, just as it is certainly our duty to fight injustice when we see it and not to be complacent in anyway. But at the same time, I think people always need to be aware of the ever present possibility that they themselves can turn into what is “wrong” via an overzealous pursuit of what is “right” (and history is full of examples of this, including, I would argue, some of our present policies on pursuing terrorism). If abortion results from a dehumanization of the unborn which allows a lack of compassion to exist, I think people fighting against abortion need to be conscious of the possibility that they themselves can so dehumanize the opponents in the abortion debate that they will ultimately end up becoming no different than those that they are criticizing when it comes to the issue of “compassion.” And I think that we see this not just when it comes to the issue of “abortion,” but in all variety of political (and even non-political) topics covered on this forum, just as it is a trap that all sides of the political spectrum are guilty of falling into from time to time (so I don’t mean to point fingers). If we want to get anywhere we need to recognize that there exists a common ground between “us” and “them” (whoever “them” is), a common ground that is much more fundamental than any political or religious ideology. Failure to recognize this common ground only leads to impotence, hatred, pettiness, and cruelty. I hate to sound like a horrible cliche, but I really think fighting "evil" in the world begins with and is concurrent with a continual process of identifying and fighting this same evil in ourselves, as if we don't do this we'll only end up partaking in what we are oppossed to.
As to feeling compassion for Bin Laden, personally I find it hard to. But I’m not going to claim that I’m perfect. It's a flaw that I'm working on. 
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 12:49:58 AM
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EDIT- henny said it all...
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 1:04:56 AM
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I have to take a break from these Crosswalk forums for a while.
Never before have I seen such an ugly display of hatred, judgmentalism, and political bile on this site over the recent news that Senator Kennedy, a human being, is going to die in the near-future over an inoperable brain tumor.
That simply means you choose to overlook the display of hatred, judgmentalism, and political bile that Mr. Kennedy has shown his fellow man for decades...
John
I'm sorry, but that is not true. Stop for a moment, is this what God would want you to say? Yes, he's done some horrible things. All Humans have. Yes, his wicked deeds are many, support of abortion, Mary Joe, etc. But honestly, if you were standing before God would you say these same things to him? It blows my mind that this thread is here. A Christian forum is the one place I thought I wouldn't find this sort of talk. YES Ted Kennedy is a sinner (as we all are). But we, as Christians should never talk the way some have talked here. I don't care what the man has done, leave the judgement to God, and pray for his soul. It doesn't mean we are overlooking what he's done. It has nothing to do with that. At the very least, refrain from talking about him at all and just pray for his soul. Do you realize how many people read these threads and will walk away with a low opinion of Christ's love based on this thread? No matter what this man has done, NO MATTER WHAT God loves him and is willing that he turn away from his sin and accept Jesus as his Lord and Savior. If we are to speak of this man we should pray for his salvation. His actions may be many, they may be unspeakable but its not for us to comment. I believe with all my heart that Jesus looks upon him with love and badly wants to be Lord of his life.
I'm truly saddened by this thread and I won't be coming back either. You can say I'm condoning all he's done. I say it's not my place to comment. I will pray hard for his salvation. I believe that is what the Lord would want.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 1:08:50 AM
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Compassion isn’t a self-consciously active emotion. It’s not something that we do with intent, nor is it something that has to be taught or learned. Rather, it’s pretty much the default human condition to empathize with other humans who are in pain, and we feel it (or should feel it) entirely in spite of ourselves or any political or cultural ideology or system of belief that we may hold. Lack of compassion, on the other hand, is learned. It only becomes possible when we actively dehumanize someone to the point that we cease to empathize with them on a human level.
That must be how Mr. Kennedy can sleep at night...
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I think it’s disturbing that many Christians seem to be so caught up in the emotion of the political battle that they would cease to empathize with a politician from the opposing “side” on a basic human level, and this is especially ironic given that the very criticism they are leveling against this same politician is that he supposedly lacks compassion for the unborn who have been aborted in this country.
No politics here... I don't care for the right any more than the left... He doesn't supposedly lack compassion for the unborn, he doesn't care that they are murdered in cold blood... I find it disturbing that many Christians can't seem to deal with that reality... I so wish they could just stack the bodies, maybe that's what it would take instead of having the "evidence" dump out like trash...
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You may be entirely right in claiming that Kennedy has demonstrated a lack of compassion in his political stance on abortion, just as it is certainly our duty to fight injustice when we see it and not to be complacent in anyway. But at the same time, I think people always need to be aware of the ever present possibility that they themselves can turn into what is “wrong” via an overzealous pursuit of what is “right” (and history is full of examples of this, including, I would argue, some of our present policies on pursuing terrorism). If abortion results from a dehumanization of the unborn which allows a lack of compassion to exist, I think people fighting against abortion need to be conscious of the possibility that they themselves can so dehumanize the opponents in the abortion debate that they will ultimately end up becoming no different than those that they are criticizing when it comes to the issue of “compassion.”
The people that champion abortion dehumanization themselves just like those who baked people in ovens and then went home as if they were baking bread... I don't have dehumanization someone who can murder a child in cold blood to keep a seat in the Senate or to put food on the table... They did it to themselves...
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And I think that we see this not just when it comes to the issue of “abortion,” but in all variety of political (and even non-political) topics covered on this forum, just as it is a trap that all sides of the political spectrum are guilty of falling into from time to time (so I don’t mean to point fingers). If we want to get anywhere we need to recognize that there exists a common ground between “us” and “them” (whoever “them” is), a common ground that is much more fundamental than any political or religious ideology.
There is no common ground regarding cold blooded murder and part of "them" is Mr. Kennedy if you are confused... I can point to the two Senators from California as more of them, a couple of nice evil book ends...
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Failure to recognize this common ground only leads to impotence, hatred, pettiness, and cruelty.
Those who support the murder of unborn children are already there...
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I hate to sound like a horrible cliche, but I really think fighting "evil" in the world begins with and is concurrent with a continual process of identifying and fighting this same evil in ourselves, as if we don't do this we'll only end up partaking in what we are oppossed to.
Doesn't fly... Not weeping over Mr. Kennedy's situation isn't wrong, and it's as far from his evil as the East is from the West...
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As to feeling compassion for Bin Laden, personally I find it hard to. But I’m not going to claim that I’m perfect. It's a flaw that I'm working on.
Going by body counts Mr. Kennedy is way ahead of Bin Laden...
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 1:12:59 AM
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You know, I cannot believe you people here on this fourm wishing the worse for this man. Yes, there were a lot of issues he dealt with, but hoping for the worse, that is not Christian compassion at all, I'm sorry.
His family is hurting, his freinds are hurting and others who known him are hurting because this was a man, whether you disagree with him or not is a person too and as Christians, he and his family need our prayers because they have a lot to go through right now.
No wonder sometimes the world looks at us as evil because of the things we say toward others.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 1:16:29 AM
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ummm, did anyone read my and others post? Though we do not like his ways, we have prayed, and still praying.
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You know, I cannot believe you people here on this fourm wishing the worse for this man. Yes, there were a lot of issues he dealt with, but hoping for the worse, that is not Christian compassion at all, I'm sorry.
His family is hurting, his freinds are hurting and others who known him are hurting because this was a man, whether you disagree with him or not is a person too and as Christians, he and his family need our prayers because they have a lot to go through right now.
No wonder sometimes the world looks at us as evil because of the things we say toward others.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 1:22:51 AM
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I'm sorry, but that is not true. Stop for a moment, is this what God would want you to say? Yes, he's done some horrible things. All Humans have.
Not all humans have done what he has done and I don't I should hope the man gets well so he can continue to do evil...
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Yes, his wicked deeds are many, support of abortion, Mary Joe, etc. But honestly, if you were standing before God would you say these same things to him?
I am before God this very moment saying these things... They are the truth... I am not making anything up...
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It blows my mind that this thread is here. A Christian forum is the one place I thought I wouldn't find this sort of talk. YES Ted Kennedy is a sinner (as we all are).
You are surprised to find the truth? And we are not all sinners like Ted Kennedy... The simple statement disregards what he has done and is disrepectful to his victims.
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But we, as Christians should never talk the way some have talked here. I don't care what the man has done, leave the judgement to God, and pray for his soul. It doesn't mean we are overlooking what he's done. It has nothing to do with that.
Sorry but that ends up being the case... There are people on this site who claim Christ and believe the man's support for abortion and the gay agenda is perfectly ok... So you are mistaken, it does need to be talked about...
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At the very least, refrain from talking about him at all and just pray for his soul. Do you realize how many people read these threads and will walk away with a low opinion of Christ's love based on this thread?
I am not worried about those who support abortion being upset by comment regarding Mr. Kennedy and abortion...
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No matter what this man has done, NO MATTER WHAT God loves him and is willing that he turn away from his sin and accept Jesus as his Lord and Savior. If we are to speak of this man we should pray for his salvation.
Speaking of his evil actions doesn't preclude one for praying for his soul...
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His actions may be many, they may be unspeakable but its not for us to comment.
Yes it is... Where are we told to remain silent?
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 1:29:55 AM
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You know, I cannot believe you people here on this fourm wishing the worse for this man. Yes, there were a lot of issues he dealt with, but hoping for the worse, that is not Christian compassion at all, I'm sorry.
King David did worse than hope for the worse, he prayed that God would wipe out those who did evil... And I don't recall David being rebuked for that...
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His family is hurting, his freinds are hurting and others who known him are hurting because this was a man, whether you disagree with him or not is a person too and as Christians, he and his family need our prayers because they have a lot to go through right now.
This isn't about a "disagreement"... It's way beyond that and this is why I post... It seems some people will go to any length to avoid the reality of his actions...
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No wonder sometimes the world looks at us as evil because of the things we say toward others.
Without a doubt the world doesn't like for anyone to point their evil ways...
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 1:55:06 AM
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I'm sorry, but that is not true. Stop for a moment, is this what God would want you to say? Yes, he's done some horrible things. All Humans have.
Not all humans have done what he has done and I don't I should hope the man gets well so he can continue to do evil....
I am only hoping/praying for his salvation. If it's his time, it's his time. The sins he's committed are not my focus.
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Yes, his wicked deeds are many, support of abortion, Mary Joe, etc. But honestly, if you were standing before God would you say these same things to him?
I am before God this very moment saying these things... They are the truth... I am not making anything up...
It's not clear what you are really saying to God then? If it's the truth then so be it. But do you think God has appointed you to point out all his sins? I truly don't understand what it is you would tell God if you stood before him regarding this man.
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It blows my mind that this thread is here. A Christian forum is the one place I thought I wouldn't find this sort of talk. YES Ted Kennedy is a sinner (as we all are).
You are surprised to find the truth? And we are not all sinners like Ted Kennedy... The simple statement disregards what he has done and is disrepectful to his victims.
In no way am I disrespectful to his victims. Sin is sin, period. It is not our place to assign who is more of a sinner than the next person. I was saying that, on a Christian forum I expected to find more love and compassion than judgement. Clearly you feel he deserves none at all. Yes I know he didn't have any for his victims. But God has it for him, as well as the victims. Doesn't THAT count?
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But we, as Christians should never talk the way some have talked here. I don't care what the man has done, leave the judgement to God, and pray for his soul. It doesn't mean we are overlooking what he's done. It has nothing to do with that.
Sorry but that ends up being the case... There are people on this site who claim Christ and believe the man's support for abortion and the gay agenda is perfectly ok... So you are mistaken, it does need to be talked about...
Wow. Okay. Again, missing the point completely. It's simply not our place to judge his actions. If we are to talk about it we should simply pray for his salvation. It doesn't mean we are supporting his agenda. The man is facing death. Again, I don't care what he's done, God wants to hold him in his arms. We can hash out all the evil he's done until the cows come home. I refuse to believe that is what God would want us to do with our time.
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At the very least, refrain from talking about him at all and just pray for his soul. Do you realize how many people read these threads and will walk away with a low opinion of Christ's love based on this thread?
I am not worried about those who support abortion being upset by comment regarding Mr. Kennedy and abortion...
You just pushed aside such a large part of the folks who visit here, those that are hungry, maybe without even knowing it, but hungry for God's love. I am speaking of those folks. It has nothing to do with supporting abortion, I am talking about the people who are led here to see what God's love is all about only to read this thread. I'm sorry you can't understand my point.
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No matter what this man has done, NO MATTER WHAT God loves him and is willing that he turn away from his sin and accept Jesus as his Lord and Savior. If we are to speak of this man we should pray for his salvation.
Speaking of his evil actions doesn't preclude one for praying for his soul...
Again, we can talk about his evil actions all day, but where will that leave us? What do you think you accomplished? To get people to hate him? Christ's love is nowhere here.
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His actions may be many, they may be unspeakable but its not for us to comment.
Yes it is... Where are we told to remain silent?
I am happy I serve a God that is loving and forgiving..I could never measure up to your standards. It seems you want to dwell on his sins and not on his salvation. Again, hashing and re-hashing his sins doesn't get you anywhere. It's like the brother who was upset when the prodigal son came home. I just don't see your point. Being a Christian we are called to love. Period.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 3:49:13 AM
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Compassion isn’t a self-consciously active emotion. It’s not something that we do with intent, nor is it something that has to be taught or learned. Rather, it’s pretty much the default human condition to empathize with other humans who are in pain, and we feel it (or should feel it) entirely in spite of ourselves or any political or cultural ideology or system of belief that we may hold. Lack of compassion, on the other hand, is learned. It only becomes possible when we actively dehumanize someone to the point that we cease to empathize with them on a human level.
I think it’s disturbing that many Christians seem to be so caught up in the emotion of the political battle that they would cease to empathize with a politician from the opposing “side” on a basic human level, and this is especially ironic given that the very criticism they are leveling against this same politician is that he supposedly lacks compassion for the unborn who have been aborted in this country. You may be entirely right in claiming that Kennedy has demonstrated a lack of compassion in his political stance on abortion, just as it is certainly our duty to fight injustice when we see it and not to be complacent in anyway. But at the same time, I think people always need to be aware of the ever present possibility that they themselves can turn into what is “wrong” via an overzealous pursuit of what is “right” (and history is full of examples of this, including, I would argue, some of our present policies on pursuing terrorism). If abortion results from a dehumanization of the unborn which allows a lack of compassion to exist, I think people fighting against abortion need to be conscious of the possibility that they themselves can so dehumanize the opponents in the abortion debate that they will ultimately end up becoming no different than those that they are criticizing when it comes to the issue of “compassion.” And I think that we see this not just when it comes to the issue of “abortion,” but in all variety of political (and even non-political) topics covered on this forum, just as it is a trap that all sides of the political spectrum are guilty of falling into from time to time (so I don’t mean to point fingers). If we want to get anywhere we need to recognize that there exists a common ground between “us” and “them” (whoever “them” is), a common ground that is much more fundamental than any political or religious ideology. Failure to recognize this common ground only leads to impotence, hatred, pettiness, and cruelty. I hate to sound like a horrible cliche, but I really think fighting "evil" in the world begins with and is concurrent with a continual process of identifying and fighting this same evil in ourselves, as if we don't do this we'll only end up partaking in what we are oppossed to.
As to feeling compassion for Bin Laden, personally I find it hard to. But I’m not going to claim that I’m perfect. It's a flaw that I'm working on.
This post was the most eloquent definition of Christian compassion I have ever read in my life!
It is a great rebuke to the self-righteous Pharisitical attitude a la Luke 18:9-12 that I feel runs in some posts in this thread. As Christians, we are supposed to be identifying more with the attitude put forth by Christ in the Bible not the attitude of the Pharisees.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 7:58:44 AM
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Just as I pray for Bin Laden's heart to be softened and come to know Jesus as His Savior, I pray for anyone who wishes harm to come to another person. The victory will be His. Along that same line, I've prayed for those of you rejoicing over Sen Kennedy's cancer. Illness and evilness manifests itself in lots of different ways.
To God be the Glory. Our only purpose here on earth is to bring glory to the Lord.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 9:17:45 AM
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Just as I pray for Bin Laden's heart to be softened and come to know Jesus as His Savior, I pray for anyone who wishes harm to come to another person. The victory will be His.
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To God be the Glory. Our only purpose here on earth is to bring glory to the Lord.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 9:34:11 AM
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I'll say it again, since apparently no one is listening.....no one here is wishing death on Senator Kennedy. No one here is wishing for him to go to hell. No one here is NOT praying for the man, his health, and his spiritual well being.
However, many of us feel a sense that justice has been done when a murderer goes to the chair, or when a terrorist like Zarqawi gets taken out by a bunker buster bomb.
Likewise, Senator Kennedy has been a champion of murder his entire political life, enthusiastically supporting laws that made it possible for 40 million children to be murdered, already putting him WAY ahead of Bin Laden's or Hitler's atrocities. (Odd how we cringe when a video surfaces of Zarqawi beheading an American contractor, yet we yawn when mention is made of a baby being torn limb from limb here in America.) Likewise, he abandoned a woman to die in his car underwater while he wandered up and down the road worrying about the political fallout. His career meant more than a human life. And this is somebody people want to celebrate as a great statesman and wonderful human being?
I won't even go into his record on gay rights and other issues that run directly contrary to God's word.
If you have a problem, then take it up with God....He made the rules, not me.....
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 10:00:52 AM
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Ok, people, I am quoting myself, one more time if you really care what someone, besides yourself, has to say, or think, please read this. Quit finger pointing, because of your judgemental attitudes, it is kind of funny, or, really hypocritical,of those who point the finger, they should look in a mirror, and see it pointing back at themselves. Jesus had mixed emotions, so we mere mortals can have great compassion, yet not be fake, as in covering the truth. Those who made the comment they do not attend church, because it is just hypocrites, I am glad they never are, and have reached a perfect state of perfection. Halos must glow around your angelic heads. 
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Well I read twenty three minutes in Hell, and wish none to perish in hell. I prayed Sat. when I heard of his seizure. I thought it had to be a tumor at his age, if it were not a stroke. Is he IMHO a good man, no way. I hate to see the false humility ( from my view) from other political leaders, who he just stabbed in the back. I do feel sad for him and his family, though I do not like him. I feel sorry for everyone usually, compassion does not mean I cannot see he is a bad man. I think God's grace is big enough to heal him and save him, an change his heart. I was reading where Jesus was mad at the pharisees, when Jesus cast out a demon, or was it the man with a withered hand, sorry it is one of them, He was mad, but the word said he also felt sorry for them, because their herats were so stubborn. So having mixed emotions, can be ok.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 10:07:05 AM
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mapachito13
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I'll say it again, since apparently no one is listening.....no one here is wishing death on Senator Kennedy. No one here is wishing for him to go to hell. No one here is NOT praying for the man, his health, and his spiritual well being.
If you have a problem, then take it up with God....He made the rules, not me.....
Rules for what? For us to judge the state of another man's soul? These two paragraphs don't seem to agree with each other!
He's worse than Hitler so we all know where he's going.... Wink. Wink. And now he has one foot in the grave so we're filled with anticipation that he'll get his comeuppance. (Sarc/on)
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 10:08:23 AM
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everythingat
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lightshineon, I wouldn't take it personally. I don't think most of those posts were directed at you.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 10:13:35 AM
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Szaftoo
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John, I am shocked by your attitude and wonder if this affects your witness as a believer. Did it ever occur to you having a really serious diagnosis could be what turns him to the Lord? Not everyone who was healed by Jesus was a believer. They came to the Lord after He healed them.
We are to hate sin, not excuse it or take it lightly, however, we are also to have a heart of compassion for the lost.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 10:22:30 AM
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HisFish
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Were i to start a folder on our need to pray for the health of bin-laden, i can guarantee NONE of you weeping for kennedy would go there and express any compassion for him now would you. It is possible to pray for ones salvation but not for a return to full health if that meant he could go back and continue the work of his father the devil.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 10:23:57 AM
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This post was the most eloquent definition of Christian compassion I have ever read in my life!
I was just thinking the same thing. Henny, thanks for sharing.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 10:36:28 AM
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everythingat
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I think we should put this topic to rest. The entire thing seemed to stem from a misunderstanding on the first page, then we all added fuel to the fire by the use of sarcasm. I think we're all talking to each other too harshly.
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