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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 11:01:18 AM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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Ted has had a lot to do with the history of my generation. He has been in many of the decisions made throughout a huge majority of it. Many of those decisions have torn at our hearts, have grieved us, and have grieved G-d. He is a part of what took our nation in the direction it has taken.
It is often said that we repeat history because we are so quick to forget it. So true. When the promulgators of the negatives of history are in their last days, and especially if they have died, they suddenly take on sainthood, beauty we never saw while they were living, goodness and graciousness that were not there before.
There is a poem, the authorship of which is questioned, but it is relevant to this discussion, because we have forgotten.
First They Came for the Jews
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
May Mary Jo and the dead unborn never be forgotten.
< Message edited by Covaan_Meshuga -- 5/22/2008 11:11:35 AM >
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 11:32:35 AM
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cow451
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Uh calling Tricia "Baby" is just rude, so, Son, you need to get your mind right on many things too. Reading some of your post does not fill me with the Spirit either. Do not talk to women with disrespect. If you want o be in denial and worship Wright that is your BIG problem.
The "Not feeling the love, baby" is a colloquial expression. Actually, I didn't even know ta was a female. So apologies if comment offended. It was actually meant generally to the "Fry in Sheol" crowd. It does seem that if we are holding Rev. Wrong's feet to the fire that we should also check for the logs in our eyes, if you will forgive the mixed metaphors.
Bottom line. If, for instance, Ann Coulter were hit by a truck or had a serious illness, I'd have the good grace to keep hateful remarks to myself and express only those that were positive. If I had nothing positive, I'd refrain altogether.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 11:53:55 AM
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DarleneSchreiber
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Boy, this probably won't be a popular opinion...but anyway...
Have you all noticed what's happened to the Kennedy family? Does it bring to mind all the "...ites" in the Old Testament? (Canaanites, Moabites, etc.) Teddy's the last one and no one's taken him seriously for years.
God will not be mocked! And He will not allow those who oppose him to endure.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 12:03:41 PM
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DarleneSchreiber
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Now...with that being said...(deep breath)...
We are commanded to pray for our enemies. Not just in a cursory way, either...we are to sincerely pray for their well-being so that God can be glorified! Even someone like Ted Kennedy can be used for God's glory! And don't forget...James 2:10-13.
I don't like any of the Kennedys and never have...BUT...I know Teddy's sins are no greater than mine. Except for the fact that he appears to have rejected God's gift of the cross while I have accepted that gift, we are no different in God's eyes. And if he does miraculously accept that gift in his last days, he will be viewed just as I am by God.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 12:06:38 PM
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Dred
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Are most of us familiar with Cal Thomas? I was just reading his recent column regarding T. Kennedy. It was interesting. See link below for the column:
Cal's column
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 12:09:51 PM
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cow451
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ORIGINAL: DarleneSchreiber
Boy, this probably won't be a popular opinion...but anyway...
Have you all noticed what's happened to the Kennedy family? Does it bring to mind all the "...ites" in the Old Testament? (Canaanites, Moabites, etc.) Teddy's the last one and no one's taken him seriously for years.
God will not be mocked! And He will not allow those who oppose him to endure.
Apparently the voters of Massechusetts have continued to "take him seriously" since he has been reelected so many times. And, you may not have noticed, but the Kennedys have continued to reproduce. And, he's 76, so the notion that God has now finally "struck him down" is weak. It is apparently his "time", as it will eventually be all of ours.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 12:34:24 PM
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duffer1
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Are most of us familiar with Cal Thomas? I was just reading his recent column regarding T. Kennedy. It was interesting. See link below for the column:
Cal's column
For various reasons, I choose not to post frequently. That being said, I hope that everyone reads this column by Cal Thomas. I applaud Mr. Thomas for his position and his willingness to put it right out there.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 1:01:27 PM
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cow451
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ORIGINAL: Dred
Are most of us familiar with Cal Thomas? I was just reading his recent column regarding T. Kennedy. It was interesting. See link below for the column:
Cal's column
For various reasons, I choose not to post frequently. That being said, I hope that everyone reads this column by Cal Thomas. I applaud Mr. Thomas for his position and his willingness to put it right out there.
I will be the first to admit it is tempting to demonize and dehumanize those with whom we differ.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 1:32:02 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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The sins he's committed are not my focus.
His victims have been a focus of mine and I will not pray for the man to get better so that he can continue on his way...
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It's not clear what you are really saying to God then?
I am clearly saying to God that I cannot believe anyone would give the man kudos, or wish him well given what has and does, even if he's facing death...
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In no way am I disrespectful to his victims. Sin is sin, period. It is not our place to assign who is more of a sinner than the next person. I was saying that, on a Christian forum I expected to find more love and compassion than judgement. Clearly you feel he deserves none at all. Yes I know he didn't have any for his victims. But God has it for him, as well as the victims. Doesn't THAT count?
And you came to your conclusion that he doesn't have compassion for his victim by what means?
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It's simply not our place to judge his actions.
Actually it is... And when pressed you did when I mentioned his victims...
Btw... When the pedophile comes to watch the kids be sure not to pass judgment... 
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You just pushed aside such a large part of the folks who visit here, those that are hungry, maybe without even knowing it, but hungry for God's love. I am speaking of those folks. It has nothing to do with supporting abortion, I am talking about the people who are led here to see what God's love is all about only to read this thread. I'm sorry you can't understand my point.
I understand your point, but believe it to be way overstated... There is more to God than love...
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Again, we can talk about his evil actions all day, but where will that leave us? What do you think you accomplished? To get people to hate him? Christ's love is nowhere here.
Since there are folks, even Christians ones that don't take issue with his actions it seem we do need to talk about his evil actions... Acting like nothing is wrong is how we have evil on our churches not being dealt with but even condoned in the name of Christ and coverd with talk of love...
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I am happy I serve a God that is loving and forgiving..I could never measure up to your standards. It seems you want to dwell on his sins and not on his salvation. Again, hashing and re-hashing his sins doesn't get you anywhere. It's like the brother who was upset when the prodigal son came home. I just don't see your point. Being a Christian we are called to love. Period.
When I see people post that he was great statement and act like a some hero is about to face death I can't take it... That's so far from the truth... And the reason the man can support evil and be considered a great man is because people do not deal with what he does, they look away... And that in part is why the evil he supports thrives...
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 1:38:03 PM
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Rules for what? For us to judge the state of another man's soul? These two paragraphs don't seem to agree with each other!
Scripture tells us that we will know others by their fruits. Can anyone name me a single fruit of Ted Kennedy's life that points to him being a Christian? Yes, we can make judgment calls based on another human being's actions.
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He's worse than Hitler so we all know where he's going.... Wink. Wink. And now he has one foot in the grave so we're filled with anticipation that he'll get his comeuppance.
Another example of cherrypicking what you want to read and use as opposed to the whole idea. Even the Kennedy naysayers here pray that he would accept Christ. It is not too late for him.
However, because of what he has done in his public life, I would still advocate his receiving some form of consequence. Even Charles "Tex" Watson is now a Christian, and from what I hear, a pretty nice guy, but I would still want him to receive the harshest possible sentence for his role in the Tate-LaBianca murders. Likewise for Teddy's involvement in the Kopechne incident and his advocacy for abortion on demand for all nine months of pregancy....
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 1:44:27 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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John, I am shocked by your attitude and wonder if this affects your witness as a believer.
What is my attitude? What is wrong with not wanting a man who is partly responsible for the death of millions to continue on with his work. People prayed for the defeat and death of Hitler no less than King David prayed for the death and defeat of his enemies. I haven't prayed for the death of Mr. Kennedy... I just cannot bring myself to hope he gets better... Can't do it... I see a unborn child looking like soup in a 5 gallon bucket be tossed out like trash while that man is getting the best medical care money can buy... And some peolple here defend him... And hou say you are shocked by my attitude?
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Did it ever occur to you having a really serious diagnosis could be what turns him to the Lord? Not everyone who was healed by Jesus was a believer. They came to the Lord after He healed them.
Amen if it does...
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We are to hate sin, not excuse it or take it lightly, however, we are also to have a heart of compassion for the lost.
There is also something called righteous indignation...
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 1:46:32 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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I think we should put this topic to rest. The entire thing seemed to stem from a misunderstanding on the first page, then we all added fuel to the fire by the use of sarcasm. I think we're all talking to each other too harshly.
I hope it doesn't get put to rest since that is partly why the evil that Mr. Kennedy supports goes on, because people want it to stay out of site...
John
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 1:53:32 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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ORIGINAL: Dred
Are most of us familiar with Cal Thomas? I was just reading his recent column regarding T. Kennedy. It was interesting. See link below for the column:
Cal's column
For various reasons, I choose not to post frequently. That being said, I hope that everyone reads this column by Cal Thomas. I applaud Mr. Thomas for his position and his willingness to put it right out there.
What did Cal Thomas put "right out there"?
John
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 1:54:37 PM
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SovereignIsHe, this is just an honest question...so please don't take it as me trying to judge your intentions. But what do you hope to accomplish with this topic?
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 1:54:41 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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I will be the first to admit it is tempting to demonize and dehumanize those with whom we differ.
People like Mr. Kennedy demonize and dehumanize themselves...
John
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 2:35:12 PM
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Ok I am sorry cow, for the son, comment. Lets all have the group hug. blessings, light. I am growing actually fond of you as a friend.  hope that does not wig you out to much. 
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Uh calling Tricia "Baby" is just rude, so, Son, you need to get your mind right on many things too. Reading some of your post does not fill me with the Spirit either. Do not talk to women with disrespect. If you want o be in denial and worship Wright that is your BIG problem.
The "Not feeling the love, baby" is a colloquial expression. Actually, I didn't even know ta was a female. So apologies if comment offended. It was actually meant generally to the "Fry in Sheol" crowd. It does seem that if we are holding Rev. Wrong's feet to the fire that we should also check for the logs in our eyes, if you will forgive the mixed metaphors.
Bottom line. If, for instance, Ann Coulter were hit by a truck or had a serious illness, I'd have the good grace to keep hateful remarks to myself and express only those that were positive. If I had nothing positive, I'd refrain altogether.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 3:15:02 PM
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Nope... :) 3800 unborn children will be murdered today due in part to the fine statesmenship of Ted Kennedy...
Those 3800 unborn children also had a mother and a father who conceived them. So why put all the blame on Ted Kennedy?
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 3:35:01 PM
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relady
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Lack of compassion, on the other hand, is learned. It only becomes possible when we actively dehumanize someone to the point that we cease to empathize with them on a human level. Yup, and all statements to the contrary, one CAN NOT truly pray for another human while feeling some of the anger and nastiness in evidence on these boards. God will not hear those prayers and if he does....IMO they will go unanswered because the heart is not in a compassionate condition towards the one for whom they are praying.
I can be angry towards someone, but if I am truly praying FOR them, that anger will abate.
So, I'll just be honest here...I don't pray for Osama, cause frankly, I don't care about him one way or t'other.
But I do pray for Sen. Kennedy because as flawed as he is (aren't we all?) I do believe he tries to do what he believes is the right thing. We may not all agree with what he thinks & does? But to equate him with Osama betrays a level of apathy and hatred no Christian should feel toward anyone. And Mary Jo was, what, 40 years ago? Puhlease people! We're not supposed to be holding grudges either. Sheesh!
No wonder people don't want to be associated with Christians! Shame on us! 
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I think people fighting against abortion need to be conscious of the possibility that they themselves can so dehumanize the opponents in the abortion debate that they will ultimately end up becoming no different than those that they are criticizing when it comes to the issue of “compassion.” WOW, very well said!
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Do you realize how many people read these threads and will walk away with a low opinion of Christ's love based on this thread? I don't think they care. It's the person who's walking away who is at fault for not accepting. 
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Speaking of his evil actions doesn't preclude one for praying for his soul... No, however, speaking of them with the vindictiveness exhibited on this forum certainly will affect the effectiveness of your prayers. In fact, if you truly feel as vindictive and nasty as your posts sound, I'd say don't bother. Pray for people you can pray for without such vitriole. Your prayer time would be put to better use, IMO.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/22/2008 3:42:21 PM
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So, I'll just be honest here...I don't pray for Osama, cause frankly, I don't care about him one way or t'other.
But I do pray for Sen. Kennedy because as flawed as he is (aren't we all?) I do believe he tries to do what he believes is the right thing.
Playing Opponent's Advocate here for a moment (I don't disagree with you, but this stuck out to me): do you think Osama, "as flawed as he is... tries to do what he believes is the right thing"? If so, and if this is the logic, he should be prayed for just as much as Sen. Kennedy.
What if I were to say, "I don't pray for Kennedy, cause frankly, I don't care about him one way or t'other"? Would that make me without compassion?
Sorry - just had to stir the pot a little more. 
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Thank you, Miss Tricia! I'm enjoying reading the conversations. 
) Outside MA, and especially down South-way, where I'm from, he is a joke and laughing-stock. I guess that's why I said he's not taken very seriously. We even have some folks like that in the South who we kept putting in office out of a sense of nostalgia and loyalty. It happens all over...especially if they tell the voters what they want to hear. Mob rule and all that rot, ya know!
