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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 1:35:31 AM
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Pink I like your first post alot, we can agree on this. I also think John does noy sugar coat, A John the Baptist type of guy. I remember, he was on the old CW, he stands firm in what he believes, so though his and my beliefs and approachs are quite different, he is speaking some truth, IMHO also. I do noy want Kennedy to go to hell, I do think he is a bad man. When his Nephew raped that girl a while back, he was there snorting coke. I have such a bad memory, I cannot remember much about it, but him testifying, I do not even remember that very clearly. i know I have to throw myself on Gods grace, as did Paul, and David. I hope Ted does the same thing, I truly do. Forget the rape case, I am not even sure if I remeber it correctly, and I was not there. You know life is so sad sometimes.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 8:45:38 AM
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I think it's a sobering thought that he will soon stand before God in judgment. Unless he repents soon, he will pay for his sins.
Will I pray for him? Well, I have a lot of other people I"m praying for, and somehow it doesn't seem quite fair that he should be the subject of the prayers of more people simply because he's famous. We have a prayer list of people that our church is praying for, and it's already really long. They aren't high profile, though, so it's not likely anyone on here is going to be praying for them. I'll stick with the ones that are under-represented.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 9:23:26 AM
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Actually, he didn' t. The quote says "in part."
ahhh..I missed that..so in fact, that statement could apply to us all because none of us have managed to ban abortion yet?
Singling out one man is not fair is all I am saying. There are a lot of people who make abortion an option, not just him.
The Bible teaches us to pray for the sick, not the sick whose political opinions agree with ours.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 11:31:27 AM
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One can pray that God will show mercy to Senator Kennedy in healing him AND pray for his salvation. Both would glorify God would they not? Again I say unto you that to hold anger in your heart toward your brother is to commit murder in the eyes of God.
Do you understand the biblical meaning of brother? Kennedy, in the biblical sense, is not my brother, according to Matthew 5 or the other Scriptures.
Kennedy is a politician, unknown to me except by his politics, and I watched parts of his impassioned speech demanding the right to partial birth abortion until I was sick. I also watch him snake his way out of Mary Jo's murder. And we all know that these are not the only parts of his story, that it is a long story including many unrighteous ideas.
For me to condone his actions in any way is to shake my fist in G-d's face -- the very G-d who created Mary Jo and the children who have died.
So many people writing here, however, are reading-impaired to think that we are not praying for this person's salvation. Yes, I do pray for that as the others here do. I prayed for him when I heard, and I pray for him EVERYTIME I SEE THIS THREAD, as do, I am sure, the others. Does that bother any of you who keep writing that we are wicked for not praying for him?
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 11:50:00 AM
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One can pray that God will show mercy to Senator Kennedy in healing him AND pray for his salvation. Both would glorify God would they not? Again I say unto you that to hold anger in your heart toward your brother is to commit murder in the eyes of God.
Do you understand the biblical meaning of brother? Kennedy, in the biblical sense, is not my brother, according to Matthew 5 or the other Scriptures.
Kennedy is a politician, unknown to me except by his politics, and I watched parts of his impassioned speech demanding the right to partial birth abortion until I was sick. I also watch him snake his way out of Mary Jo's murder. And we all know that these are not the only parts of his story, that it is a long story including many unrighteous ideas.
For me to condone his actions in any way is to shake my fist in G-d's face -- the very G-d who created Mary Jo and the children who have died.
So many people writing here, however, are reading-impaired to think that we are not praying for this person's salvation. Yes, I do pray for that as the others here do. I prayed for him when I heard, and I pray for him EVERYTIME I SEE THIS THREAD, as do, I am sure, the others. Does that bother any of you who keep writing that we are wicked for not praying for him?
I don't recall making the claim that people weren't praying for him at all. I simplly find it sickening that people are reveling in his sickness. This is not a Christian principle.
When asked "who is my brother" Christ responded with the parable of the good Samaritan. We are all brothers and sisters to one another and it is our responsibility to care for one another.
I do not condone his actions, but I do pray for both his health AND his salvation as both may be used to glorify God. Besides are we not to pray for our enemies and those that use and mistreat us?
Health and salvation are not mutually exclusive.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 12:04:42 PM
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When asked "who is my brother" Christ responded with the parable of the good Samaritan. We are all brothers and sisters to one another and it is our responsibility to care for one another.
No - that was the answer to "who is my neighbor" - not "brother."
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I simplly find it sickening that people are reveling in his sickness. This is not a Christian principle.
Who's reveling? I haven't read any posts saying, "Oh, I'm so GLAD he has a tumor! Hopefully he suffers."
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Besides are we not to pray for our enemies and those that use and mistreat us?
As we're doing.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 12:12:08 PM
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Again I say unto you that to hold anger in your heart toward your brother is to commit murder in the eyes of God.
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Do you understand the biblical meaning of brother? Kennedy, in the biblical sense, is not my brother, according to Matthew 5 or the other Scriptures.
The Scripture you alluded to here is in Matthew 5, and that Scripture is about those in one's community, religious here. quote:
22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.
And Leviticus 19 says:
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17 "'Do not hate your brother in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in his guilt. 18 "'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.
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When asked "who is my brother" Christ responded with the parable of the good Samaritan. We are all brothers and sisters to one another and it is our responsibility to care for one another.
Now, this is a different Scripture, but it is still about community. Further, according to many Scriptures, my brothers and sisters are those who love and serve my G-d. I guess we all need to carefully pick and choose our scriptural support when we want to make a particular point -- you, me, and all the rest.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 1:57:03 PM
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Forget the rape case, I am not even sure if I remeber it correctly, and I was not there. You know life is so sad sometimes.
Isn't that the issue though? Some people cannot let die a situation that happen in the 60's? This man will go to his grave being judged publicly for that sin...and if our sins were all as well publicized as his we prob. would too. The only difference between his and ours is CNN doesn't know our personal story.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 2:05:21 PM
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I maintain that praying for Senator Kennedy's health AND his salvation are not mutually exclusive. He is my neighbor and I have a moral imperative to do unto him as I would have him do unto me.
Love your enemies and pray for them. Forgive them their trespasses, isn't that what Christ did for us? Did we deserve any of it?
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 3:47:30 PM
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I am shoked by some of the responces I have read. I may not agree with Kennedy's views, but the fact remains he is a human and there is no human not woth praying for. As to spending eternity apart from God only God knows that. kennedy may or may not be saved. As for SoverignIsHe's question about praying for Bin Laden, I pray for him. I pray that the Holy Sprit will fall so hard on him that he will be tranformed, and turn from the evil that he has embraced and give his life to Jesus.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 4:02:42 PM
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I am shoked by some of the responces I have read. I may not agree with Kennedy's views, but the fact remains he is a human and there is no human not woth praying for. As to spending eternity apart from God only God knows that. kennedy may or may not be saved. As for SoverignIsHe's question about praying for Bin Laden, I pray for him. I pray that the Holy Sprit will fall so hard on him that he will be tranformed, and turn from the evil that he has embraced and give his life to Jesus.
Thank you for saying this. I wish I knew more Christians that had your attitude.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 5:05:28 PM
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Just a note- but it may be worth considering every person who reads the posts here may not be a Christian.
So what message are we sending to them with our words?
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 5:23:03 PM
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The rape case was his nephew and had nothing to do with Kennedy, other than family influence and privilege. I don't know what happened with the rape case, but I do know about a young man in the Kennedy family who lost a leg to cancer, two grieving families who lost fathers to horrible public violence, the Marilyn Monroe issue, and more. These have nothing to do with Kennedy's illness nor his possible demise.
And I am so tired of blanket statements condemning everyone who is not sweetness and light about Kennedy. Some of us have been too closely touched with what has happened in THIS Kennedy's life and with the direction HE HELPED take this country into. This is the issue, along with his illness and his need for salvation.
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
A tree's fruit is obvious; you have to look harder for the worm hole.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 6:21:42 PM
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You know, God knows if he will repent or not. We can pray that he repents, and we can also pray that if he isn't going to repent, that God brings him to judgment sooner rather than later. If he's going to die in his sin, what difference does it make if he is restored to health, and then still dies in his sin? For him, he is no better off to recover if he will not eventually repent. For others, if he's not going to repent, it would be better if he did not recover.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 6:46:56 PM
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You know, God knows if he will repent or not. We can pray that he repents, and we can also pray that if he isn't going to repent, that God brings him to judgment sooner rather than later. If he's going to die in his sin, what difference does it make if he is restored to health, and then still dies in his sin? For him, he is no better off to recover if he will not eventually repent. For others, if he's not going to repent, it would be better if he did not recover.
Is it ok if I pray this for everyone on earth who are not going to be saved?
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 7:33:34 PM
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SIH: Who is praying for Kennedy to get well so he can continue to do evil? Specifically?
There were posts on the prayer thread that spoke highly of the man... As well I know from past experience that some folks defending share his views...
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 7:42:28 PM
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Is it ok if I pray this for everyone on earth who are not going to be saved?
Thing is, we don't know who will or won't be saved, so while Lisa's post works in theory, it isn't practical.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 7:50:16 PM
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If you hold anger in your toward your brother then you are guilty of murder in the eyes of God. These are the words of Christ and I implore my bothers and sisters in Christ to remeber this.
First... I don't believe Mr. Kennedy is a brother... Second... One can be angry and not hate... Christian are not called upon to be silent wallflower punching bags... We don't have to shy from demonstrating righteous indignation over terrible things...
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I am not a fan of Senator Kennedy. I think he's been guilty of reprehensible behaviour. However the thing that many are missing is that not one person here deserves to be prayed for. We are all vile and covered in filth in the eyes of God. This is why we needed the sacrifice of Christ at Calvary. Only through Him are we clean in the eyes of God.
In the eternal sense yes, we are all filthy... Yet the bible speaks of greater sins(Christ told Pilate those who brought Him to Piliate commited a greater sin than Piliate...) and other simmilar verses that speak of millstones around necks that one gets the idea that in the temporal sense some things are worse than others... Being part of the means that is responible for the cold blooded death of 40,000,000 unborn children isn't liken to stealing a candy bar...
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I pray for the fallen Senator so that he is healed because I want him to come to Christ. I pray this in my heart of heart. I pray for this, not because he deserves it, but because he needs it. As we all do.
Go with God my brothers and sisters.
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I pray(ed) that God's will be done... I trust in Him...
Though,King David, a man after God's very heart prayed precatory prayers regarding his enemies...
My grandfather( a preacher) spoke of prayer services regarding WWII were people prayed for the downfall of our enemies yet, given what I have read on this thread they would be wrong in the eyes of some people... And if anyone thinks Mr. Kennedy is any more a friend of humanity than our enemies in WW II they are kidding themselves...
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 8:04:56 PM
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So I should show no compassion to those who support things I disagree with?
I don't like this flavor of Christianity.
I beleive the matter in question is bigger than a simple disagreement...
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Okay. They support something that is sinful.
Thus, I should have no compassion on them.
By all means... Show compassion... At least we have it on the table what we are dealing with... Which is really a big part of this thread... Since there seems to be a concept that dealing with the reality of Mr. Kennedy isn't compassion. Just shut and pray for him to get well and maybe God will change his heart... That's what the world needs to see from Christains if they are ever going to see God's love... Ok..
Here are my thoughts on that... If I saw a man beating children to death in a park and stopped only to pray for the man's soul and not physically stop him from killing the children what kind of Christian man would I be? God has instilled in me certain things... I have entered a burning building to save a child, I stood up to bullies in school for those who couldn't stand up for themselves, and I cannot walk by a lost looking children without finding his or her parents. I spent 2 years in court being my children's advocate regarding the person who raped my children and never put my hands on him, though he was well within reach since he was my nephew, who was more like my little brothers...I hugged him and told him to come clean and that he was forgiven. He lied and tore the family apart defending himself... Now I am not blowing my own horn here, this is God working through me without a doubt, my faults are many, but I cannot think that Mr. Kennedy is any different than that man beating children to death. And given the fact he’s in a position of authority his sin is compounded. The bible speaks very harshly of evil rulers. God ordained the civil government to be the sword of those who do evil, not be the sword of evil… Praying for his soul by all means, wishing him well... I don't know... I see the mountain of dead children in my mind and I can't... Lord take Him if yours, and if not deal with him...
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 8:11:18 PM
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I pray Kennedy come to Jesus. What if he does before he dies?
He is still living? Right?
Death is guaranteed to all of us.
I had to look up his record to even really find out his record on abortions.
Terrible!
Words fail to discribe it...
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As a Christian I have compassion for the whole family, and the babies that we're aborted.
Here's the problem regarding the family... They support the same evil and they indirectly benefit from it since it's part of the means that keeps them in power.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 8:13:45 PM
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One can pray that God will show mercy to Senator Kennedy in healing him AND pray for his salvation. Both would glorify God would they not? Again I say unto you that to hold anger in your heart toward your brother is to commit murder in the eyes of God.
God was glorified when his enemies were destroyed as well...And His people prayed for it to happen and they were not said to be ungodly in doing so…
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 8:18:58 PM
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You know, God knows if he will repent or not. We can pray that he repents, and we can also pray that if he isn't going to repent, that God brings him to judgment sooner rather than later. If he's going to die in his sin, what difference does it make if he is restored to health, and then still dies in his sin? For him, he is no better off to recover if he will not eventually repent. For others, if he's not going to repent, it would be better if he did not recover.
Is it ok if I pray this for everyone on earth who are not going to be saved?
If they are causing great harm to others, I don't see why not.
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Thing is, we don't know who will or won't be saved, so while Lisa's post works in theory, it isn't practical.
We don't know who will be saved, but God knows. I don't see what's not practical about it. It's an appeal to One who knows all things from the beginning to the end.
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 8:22:16 PM
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ahhh..I missed that..so in fact, that statement could apply to us all because none of us have managed to ban abortion yet?
Riduclous... The man uses abortion as part of his maintaining his place of power, how that can be turned into him being like those who oppose the cold blooded murder of unborn children?
The above type of reasoning is one of the main reasoning for this thread...
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Singling out one man is not fair is all I am saying. There are a lot of people who make abortion an option, not just him.
Actually given he's in a ordained position of power it's more than fair to single him out... His sin is compounded by the fact he is in a position of power... He should in fact be against what he is for on many items...
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The Bible teaches us to pray for the sick, not the sick whose political opinions agree with ours.
Again... This isn't simply about political opinions this is about the mass murder of 40,000,000 unborn children... There is something wrong when that is broken down to the idea is simply a matter of political opinions not being in agreement... There is no compromise on the issue... It's murder... And the man in question maintains his seat of power by it and other evil views as well...
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 8:25:23 PM
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When asked "who is my brother" Christ responded with the parable of the good Samaritan. We are all brothers and sisters to one another and it is our responsibility to care for one another.
The body of Christ doesn't consist of the whole world... You're mixing things up here...
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RE: Ted Kennedy diagnosed with malignant brain tumor... - 5/23/2008 8:32:03 PM
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Forget the rape case, I am not even sure if I remeber it correctly, and I was not there. You know life is so sad sometimes.
Isn't that the issue though? Some people cannot let die a situation that happen in the 60's? This man will go to his grave being judged publicly for that sin...and if our sins were all as well publicized as his we prob. would too. The only difference between his and ours is CNN doesn't know our personal story.
The real BIG difference is that most of us wouldn't get away with what he has.... Actually the rape case was a nephew of his... The situation in the 60's was when he left a woman for dead... I believe murder doesn’t have a statue of limitations and rightly so… So he should be judged to the grave, he walked away from murder because of his name and influence... The bible speaks of perversion of justice such as that as being an abomination and for good reason.
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