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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/27/2008 12:45:48 AM
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HisFish
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Even if we were sinning, do you think doors will be opened if someone pronounces all this moralism and judgementalism on us?
Quite frankly i dont believe Christ gives a rip about the self-esteem of the sinner,or the christian for that matter. The gospel is this: your a sinner, you need a saviour, repent and believe or go to hell. To most people the truth is a bitter little pill they will not swallow, no matter what kind of candy coating you put on it. The gospel is an offense, it is scandalous, and it cannot be made anything other.
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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/27/2008 3:43:36 AM
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so did everyone of the apostles.
Paul and Peter had disagreements over whom to preach to.
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If you follow what the Bible says, then a person can't follow another gospel.
There is truth in this, however, how do you explain the 20,000 christian denominations? Would all but one be the mysterious "saving doctrine"?
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This not wanting to offend someone by preaching the gospel
Again there is truth here but, please define the correct offending gospel? Is it fire and brimstone preaching? Is it the perversions of Fred Phelps? Is it the Universal church of catholicism?
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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/27/2008 5:05:47 AM
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One small point: The woman that was about to be stoned in the so-called controversial passage not in some texts was not a prostitute she was caught in act of adultery.
As for presenting the Gospel it needs to be with TRUTH and LOVE for if it is not truth it is not love either. This was an on the streets interview. It is not the point that she did not state Jesus or God as a priority that is at question as to a modern gospel. The factor that she did not believe the Bible to be the inspired Word of God and that it was not relevant to today.
Yes she got the part that it is a relationship with Jesus but she missed on the part that God is the one who says how that relationship is to be. Jesus said to repent from sins. He said one must be born again. If we love Jesus and are born again then we are no longer slaves to sin nor do we continue in it. As I asked before how can one have a right relationship with the Lord Jesus if they do not believe His teachings? His teachings are given to us in the Bible. If you don't believe in the Jesus of the Bible then how can you have a relationship with Him.
The truth is that all are on their way to hell if they do not accept the saving work of Jesus on the cross. And if one is saved what is it they are saved from? Is it not a life in slavery to sin that we are saved from? And the interviewer did not ask her if she was having sex outside of marriage not did he ask her if the Bible was true she volunteered that part.
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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/27/2008 8:37:25 AM
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Even if we were sinning, do you think doors will be opened if someone pronounces all this moralism and judgementalism on us?
Quite frankly i dont believe Christ gives a rip about the self-esteem of the sinner,or the christian for that matter. The gospel is this: your a sinner, you need a saviour, repent and believe or go to hell. To most people the truth is a bitter little pill they will not swallow, no matter what kind of candy coating you put on it. The gospel is an offense, it is scandalous, and it cannot be made anything other.
Interesting. Christ didn't "give a rip" about people's self-esteem He was trying to reach. I'm sure it must have given Him a certain vindictive thrill to screech HEEELLLLLFAAAAAAHHHR!!!!! at this LOWWWWLYYYY SINNNAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!! REEEEEPEYEENT, YA WICKED JEZEBEL!!!!!! Or do ya want ta end up in tha BARRRRRNIN' FLAYYYYIMES OF HEEEEYEEEELLLLLL!!!!!!!!! Where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, and the WOOOOORM DYETH NOT!!!!!
I don't see anywhere in the Bible where Jesus acted tactlessly and insultingly toward the totally marginalized of society. He never told the prostitutes, the drunkards, derelicts, or tax collectors that they were "sinners" going to hell. He reserved His harshest judgement for the religious elite, those who made the laws, those who made religion into an unmanageable burden for those who never stood a chance in society. Christ would have a few things to say to a lot of funda-gelicals in our day and age. Would Jesus ever adopt the language of a Pharisee? The Gospel was considered a scandal and a stumbling block to Jewish leaders and the scribes. How does anyone really think of Jesus' dealings with the outcasts of society??
The more I read of what Jesus said and did, in the context of His times and culture, it is really surprising, while most of the time we take it for granted. Jesus certainly never came across in a condescending way to the "sinners" of society, He never did things as some super-nifty public relations gesture. He truly felt the humanity of His listeners.
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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/27/2008 5:40:18 PM
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Boy, if i were an atheist i sure wouldn't be interested in christianity, reading all your posts, except those from Prairiehiker ( there is love in what he writes). It's mostly from all of you: believe in Christ or you go to hell for sure. Who are you to judge who's going to hell and who don't? I'm not God and i certainly let Him judge.
For example almost all my family and most of my friends don't believe but they are truly good persons. I have absolutely faith in my Lord that even if they dont believe in Him, He will not let them in hell for eternity it doesn't make sense. He will find a way for those people i'm sure. Would i be happy in heaven knowing all my family is in hell ? Do you really think that only christian will go to heaven? It sounds to me like jehovah's witnesses way of thinking.
I know i'll receive rocks from you because i say that but i can't believe in a loving God that would send good people in hell for eternity 'simply' because they don't believe or haven't had any chance of knowing Christ.
I don't know how He will proceed with them, maybe face to face on the other side. There are lots of things we don't know and i'm sure God have a plan for everyone of His children to be save.
I think that those who will go to hell will be those that say to God: no i don't wan't You at all with me. Then they'll go in someplace where God will let them alone. An it would surely be hell to be in a place without God because he is doing His goods to all right now: the believers and non believers. Non believers just don't realize what God is doing for them.
Really sorry if i offend people here ( i'm newbe here and hope not to be ejected because of my opinion) but i found some of you really hard on people.
God bless you all
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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/27/2008 6:11:29 PM
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Jesus says, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Light, no one comes to the Father except through Me." There is no, "But Lord, I was a good person." In fact to that He says, Mat 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
Mat 7:14 "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Mat 7:15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Mat 7:16 "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn {bushes} nor figs from thistles, are they?
Mat 7:17 "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
Mat 7:18 "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.
Mat 7:19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Mat 7:20 "So then, you will know them by their fruits.
Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven {will enter.}
Mat 7:22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Mat 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
Mat 7:24 "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.
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We are not judging, as you can clearly see from these scriptures. I have most often found that when someone doesn't like something another said, we are called judgmental.
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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/27/2008 6:46:55 PM
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Exactly, a good tree produces good fruits. An atheist can produce good fruits. So he is to be put down and burn?
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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/27/2008 7:14:34 PM
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And sorry but if someone tells me that i go directly to hell because i don't believe in God or Jesus then it is a judgment. That person places himself at the place of God in saying that. For me it is God and only Him who decides where we go.
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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/27/2008 7:30:55 PM
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And sorry but if someone tells me that i go directly to hell because i don't believe in God or Jesus then it is a judgment. That person places himself at the place of God in saying that. For me it is God and only Him who decides where we go.
This is not what Christians believe.
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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/27/2008 7:41:00 PM
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Boy, if i were an atheist i sure wouldn't be interested in christianity, reading all your posts, except those from Prairiehiker ( there is love in what he writes). It's mostly from all of you: believe in Christ or you go to hell for sure. Who are you to judge who's going to hell and who don't? I'm not God and i certainly let Him judge.
For example almost all my family and most of my friends don't believe but they are truly good persons. I have absolutely faith in my Lord that even if they dont believe in Him, He will not let them in hell for eternity it doesn't make sense. He will find a way for those people i'm sure. Would i be happy in heaven knowing all my family is in hell ? Do you really think that only christian will go to heaven? It sounds to me like jehovah's witnesses way of thinking.
I know i'll receive rocks from you because i say that but i can't believe in a loving God that would send good people in hell for eternity 'simply' because they don't believe or haven't had any chance of knowing Christ.
I don't know how He will proceed with them, maybe face to face on the other side. There are lots of things we don't know and i'm sure God have a plan for everyone of His children to be save.
I think that those who will go to hell will be those that say to God: no i don't wan't You at all with me. Then they'll go in someplace where God will let them alone. An it would surely be hell to be in a place without God because he is doing His goods to all right now: the believers and non believers. Non believers just don't realize what God is doing for them.
Really sorry if i offend people here ( i'm newbe here and hope not to be ejected because of my opinion) but i found some of you really hard on people.
God bless you all
Lufia, I wasn't arguing against the basic doctrine of Christianity. I do believe that God is a just God and He will punish people in the end. However, I believe that it is the role of the Holy Spirit to convict people, and it is our role as Christians to live out our Christian faith in the spirit of love and gentleness and compassion for others. It is not my role to save people; it's Jesus who does that. It's my role to engage everyone that Christ brings into my path in a relationship that would allow the love of Christ to flow.
A lot of people are turned off with Christianity not because of it's message, but because of Christians itself. If we could learn to engage people in some meaningful dialogue without first requiring them to accept that we are right, and without having the agenda that we're trying to convert them, then perhaps our gentleness might win them over to Christ.
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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/27/2008 7:54:12 PM
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well i concider myself a christian. I believe in Jesus, He is my savior. I gave my soul to Him. But for all others people who don't believe, i don't make any judgment on them. I am not God, He is the One who decide.
I tell you a little true story. Some years ago there was a big house fire near my place. A family was inside cause it was during the night. The husband told the wife: 'jump by the window i'll go save all our 4 children'. The woman jumped. She is the only survivor. If she as lost her faith in God, you think that God will punish her and make her suffering for an eternity in hell? Would You do that to her? I would certainly not do it. In my mind i absolutely cannot be better and more loving than God! The Jesus i know would open His loving arm and hold her firmly with love.
Look at the adultery woman in the Bible, Jesus forgave her even if she didn't ask for it. Even if she didn't knew who Jesus was.
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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/27/2008 8:03:30 PM
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Prairiehiker, i so AGREE with you.
At my work , an atheist coworker has a christian friend who sometimes say to him that he will go directly to hell because he doesn't believe in Christ. My coworker's reaction is hating christian and he oftenly say to me that God is EDITED TOS 5 and that christian are always menacing people with that hell thing. that there is no love in this and he can't follow or love someone who's throwing people in hell. All he sees is hell. I try to show him the love of God but he is so far away in hating us ...
So i totally agree with you that we should more talk about the love of God and Jesus. and that one of the most important thing is to love each other one. I think that's the first step, love.
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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/27/2008 8:14:49 PM
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An atheist can produce good fruits. So he is to be put down and burn?
An atheist cannot produce good fruits. He may do good THINGS but he cannot produce good fruits b/c he is not connected to the vine.
The scriptures are clear how we are to treat a believer who persists in a sinful lifestyle.
1 Tim 5:20 (ESV) 20As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.
2 Tim 4:1 - 2 (ESV) 1I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 2preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.
Titus 1:9 (ESV) 9He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound£ doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.
Titus 2:15 (ESV) 15Declare these things; exhort and rebuke with all authority. Let no one disregard you.
2 Thess 3:13 - 15 (ESV) 13As for you, brothers, do not grow weary in doing good. 14 If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. 15Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.
Gal 6:1 - 5 (ESV) 1Brothers,£ if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted. 2Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. 3For if anyone thinks he is something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4But let each one test his own work, and then his reason to boast will be in himself alone and not in his neighbor. 5For each will have to bear his own load.
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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/27/2008 8:26:39 PM
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Do you really think that only christian will go to heaven?
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For example almost all my family and most of my friends don't believe but they are truly good persons. I have absolutely faith in my Lord that even if they dont believe in Him, He will not let them in hell for eternity it doesn't make sense. He will find a way for those people i'm sure
im sorry, we all know people we love who reject Christ, and if they die unrepentant they will go to hell, you dont like it, i dont like it but this is what God say's will happen. Pray for your family and let them know the truth. Please dont think God will bend the rules for them because in your estimation they are "good", because they are NOT good. Im not good, your not good, nobody is good because we are sinners born in sin, as a matter of fact we are so bad that Christ had to be crushed for our iniquities.
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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/27/2008 8:36:20 PM
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So your saying that all atheists are bad people??? They are bad trees?they cannot do good to others??? I can't believe someone is believing that!!! That is so incredible.
The believer who persist in sinful lifestyle, is it me you're talking about? I preach false doctrine? Is it what you're saying?
So the love of an atheist is not as good as the love of a believer?
God please help us see your Light. Please
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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/27/2008 8:53:44 PM
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Lufia, a true Christian believes what the Bible says. A believer does not decide what God says is right or wrong. If you feel this is harsh, take it to God, not us. We are telling you what He says. Better yet, rather than hear us, read it for yourself. We have given you the scripture references, see if we are in context. Test our spirits. You are headed down a dangerous road. A Christian can not say that Jesus is their Lord and Saviour and believe what you do. That Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible. Jesus desires that all are saved, yet many will not choose Him. That is not Him turning them away or Him wanting for them to spend eternity in hell, they have made that choice for themselves. What you are saying in this thread is false doctrine. If you feel that we are in error, please provide a scripture reference for your belief.
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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/27/2008 9:01:23 PM
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So your saying that all atheists are bad people??? They are bad trees?they cannot do good to others??? I can't believe someone is believing that!!! That is so incredible
Not bad people....but lost people. One can do good works but they do nothing to merit entrance into heaven. Only trust in the shed blood of Jesus Christ is suffiecent
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The believer who persist in sinful lifestyle, is it me you're talking about? I preach false doctrine? Is it what you're saying?
I don't know you or your lifestyle. The works of the flesh are:
Gal 5:19 - 21 (ESV) 19Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21envy,£ drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
The Greek word for socery is the same word we use for pharmacy. If you are persisting in these as a lifestyle you will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Not my words but God's
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So the love of an atheist is not as good as the love of a believer?
No. The love of an athiest is from the flesh. The love of a believer is from God.
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God please help us see your Light. Please
I pray you see God's light in the light of Scripture.
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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/27/2008 10:44:53 PM
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ok then as i understand it i'll tell my non believers and other believers that as long as they don't believe, they should do whatever they want since they'll end up in hell anyway. So my best friends who is always helping someone in need, i'll tell her stop my friend you should enjoy life for yourself now before you go to hell.
I'll also ask God when i'm dead that He erase my memory of all my non believers friends and family because i wont be happy in heaven knowing they are all there.
Just want to specify that i truly believe that the only way to God is by Jesus but also that for God anything is possible and he can save anyone he wants. He knows the heart of his people.
as for gal 5:19 i think that all humanity fits in there so nobody will be save.
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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/27/2008 11:08:53 PM
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So your saying that all atheists are bad people??? They are bad trees?they cannot do good to others??? I can't believe someone is believing that!!! That is so incredible.
The believer who persist in sinful lifestyle, is it me you're talking about? I preach false doctrine? Is it what you're saying?
So the love of an atheist is not as good as the love of a believer?
God please help us see your Light. Please
Lufia, ---We are not saved by our works, "Ephesians 2:8-- We are saved by Grace through faith, and not of ourself, it is a gift from God;
v9] not as a result of works, that no one should boast, "
Salvation, come from Jesus, and His works. People can do all kinds of good works, but if they don't believe in Jesus. Their not saved.
But we are to always, treat each other with love, and respect, even the unsaved. For we maybe able to turn them to Christ. That is always a christians objective.
Not to judge them, or point fingers.
Saying that we must always present the gospel of Jesus christ, never compromise His word, or change it. God takes sin very serious,
He gave His own son to die for our sins. And turned His back on Jesus when He hang on the cross.
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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/27/2008 11:25:01 PM
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ok then as i understand it i'll tell my non believers and other believers that as long as they don't believe, they should do whatever they want since they'll end up in hell anyway. So my best friends who is always helping someone in need, i'll tell her stop my friend you should enjoy life for yourself now before you go to hell.
I'll also ask God when i'm dead that He erase my memory of all my non believers friends and family because i wont be happy in heaven knowing they are all there.
Just want to specify that i truly believe that the only way to God is by Jesus but also that for God anything is possible and he can save anyone he wants. He knows the heart of his people.
as for gal 5:19 i think that all humanity fits in there so nobody will be save.
When a person asks Christ in to their heart, there has to be a change, repent means to change.For Some it's all at once, for others over a period of time.
The Holy Spirit, helps us do this.
We don't know who's heart God is working on; only He does, Our respondsibilies, as Christians is to be an example. One of our unsaved loved ones, maybe won over by what they see in us.
We must trust God, To know what He is doing, Just keep praying, and loving our friends and loved ones to God.
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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/27/2008 11:36:41 PM
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Lufia, i do understand what you are saying. Im the only christian in my family and the thought that those i love will go to hell if they do not want anything to do with Jesus absolutely breaks my heart. I have wondered as well how i could ever be happy in heaven if my loved ones end up in hell, but i trust that Christ will have the answer for that. Yet i also know that God means what he says about the penalty for rejecting the saviour. So as long as i have breath i will pray for my lost ones, and you pray for yours too.
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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/27/2008 11:56:55 PM
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So all those indian tribes everywhere in the world who dont believe, all the muslims, all the atheists, all the God believer but not christian, all the jews, all those esquimaus up north, all those scientists who believe in a supreme Being but not Christ, all the azteck, most of asian people, and the list can go on and on, will end up in hell. Wow im i happy to be born in a christian place cause at least i had a chance of knowing the Christ! I am VERY lucky indeed. In heaven most of the people will come from the same place on earth ( america, some places in Europe and australia, a few from india and a few from africa)
To enter Heaven it is first a question of luck ( where you are being born) then you've got to know Christ, believe Him, accept Him and live a good life as he commanded.
Sorry i'm sarcastic. Forgive me God but i cannot believe in a God that will let suffer most of its creation in hell. I believe You are the God of love, infinite love and that you'll find a way that we dont know, to save almost all of us. I have true faith in this.
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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/28/2008 12:09:46 AM
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So all those indian tribes everywhere in the world who dont believe, all the muslims, all the atheists, all the God believer but not christian, all the jews, all those esquimaus up north, all those scientists who believe in a supreme Being but not Christ, all the azteck, most of asian people, and the list can go on and on, will end up in hell. Wow im i happy to be born in a christian place cause at least i had a chance of knowing the Christ! I am VERY lucky indeed. In heaven most of the people will come from the same place on earth ( america, some places in Europe and australia, a few from india and a few from africa)
To enter Heaven it is first a question of luck ( where you are being born) then you've got to know Christ, believe Him, accept Him and live a good life as he commanded.
Sorry i'm sarcastic. Forgive me God but i cannot believe in a God that will let suffer most of its creation in hell. I believe You are the God of love, infinite love and that you'll find a way that we dont know, to save almost all of us. I have true faith in this.
Every man, woman, from every tribe and nation will hear the gospel of Jesus Christ. and have the opportunity to accept or reject Jesus christ as Lord and Savoir.
Relevation, says the believer will come from every tribe and nation.
God isn't cruel. He is just.
God gave us a gift, that gift was salvation through his son Jesus, if some won't accept that gift, He won't force it on them.
Those of us who have accepted that gift are Blessed with eternal life.
God Bless
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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/28/2008 1:49:31 AM
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BibleL7
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So all those indian tribes everywhere in the world who dont believe, all the muslims, all the atheists, all the God believer but not christian, all the jews, all those esquimaus up north, all those scientists who believe in a supreme Being but not Christ, all the azteck, most of asian people, and the list can go on and on, will end up in hell. Wow im i happy to be born in a christian place cause at least i had a chance of knowing the Christ! I am VERY lucky indeed. In heaven most of the people will come from the same place on earth ( america, some places in Europe and australia, a few from india and a few from africa)
To enter Heaven it is first a question of luck ( where you are being born) then you've got to know Christ, believe Him, accept Him and live a good life as he commanded.
Lufia
I think you will find that Africa, India and China have many more Christians than there are in America. As for Muslims, scientists and atheists that continue to not believe yes they will go into eternal damnation. Hell is where all are sentenced to as none are good according to God. Jesus saves us from hell and our sin when we accept His gift.
God left us His word in the Bible. If you want a short version here it is:
God created earth and universe animals and plants and he created humans. He created humans in His Image and triune likeness with a body, soul, and a spirit. Man disobeyed God and died spiritually. God came down from heaven and became the man Christ Jesus and paid the price for the sins of man. If Jesus had not paid the price all humans would end in hell. So as Jesus said He is the Way Truth and Life nobody comes to the Father but by Him.
Pray for your family and witness to them for as long as they are here on earth they have a chance to repent and be saved. For it is appointed for man to die once then Judgement. And you will not have to ask the Lord to take the lost out of your memory when you get to be with Him for He has already promised that. In order for God to be loving would He not have to let those who do not wish to worship Him have their wish and let them go to hell. For it is either with the Lord or in hell all will spend eternity. The choice is ours. This is why we are to tell all peoples of Christ.
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RE: Another victim of the modern gospel - 5/28/2008 8:22:03 AM
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have absolutely faith in my Lord that even if they dont believe in Him, He will not let them in hell for eternity it doesn't make sense.
Blasphemy.
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Exactly, a good tree produces good fruits.
How does a fruit start out? Does it appear suddenly ripe and mature?
How many kinds of fruit are there? Lets make the comparison that we are, as christians, fruit salad. We have differeing fruits. Now is every salad the same with the exact same fruit, all of the fruit just perfect and pure?
No. To just say a christian will exhibit fruit, while true, is only part of the story. Some have mature fruit, some don't, some have a few mature frutis and some unripened ones, and some have mature fruits and some seeds yet unplanted.
Christains are not cookie cut outs of God. At salvation God does not wave His majic wand and all of us become perfect little Jesus robots.
Does that mean we have to wait until we have mature fruit to be saved?
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When a person asks Christ in to their heart, there has to be a change
I agree 100%.........now........define the amount of change one exhibits after salvation to be the saving change?
The more and more I discuss this subject of how a christian HAS to act the more and more I see division and PRIDE of doctrine. Let me tell ya a story...
my first church villified the catholic church. Its a cult. Its the church from which the anit-christ will come and use in the end times to establish his one world religion. Ya wanna know what it really was??
It was a pastor who wanted us to worship his CHURCH over Jesus Christ to profit himself. I would severly caution those who are "fruit testers" to look to yourself first before you judge others. Your imperfections and unripened fruit in YOUR life before condeming others to hell becuase they are not what you think constitutes a christian.
When I stand before God, I know my walk will not be perfect. THAT is why I depend on the BLOOD of Christ, my faith and my unwillingness to deny Christ before men. If its about works man, we all be dead and going to hell...no matter how much a super christian you are.
I am also not dead. I will improve and repent and mayure my fruit through love and perseverence...to the end.
As a saved person, I ain't got no other choice.
My two cents.
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You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
James 4:4
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