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RE: Man injured after being slain in the spirit - 6/23/2008 12:05:45 PM
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LCannon
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Reminds me of that father with a son possessed of a 'dumb spirit' in Mark 9:14-22.
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RE: Man injured after being slain in the spirit - 6/23/2008 9:25:52 PM
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SonInMe1
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Revelation 1:17
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.
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RE: Man injured after being slain in the spirit - 6/24/2008 12:12:41 AM
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Ten years ago when I was a new Christian I attended my first revival at an AOG church. At the end of the service on the last night they called us up front to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I was scared to go up, but they kind of made it sound like if we didn't we weren't truly saved. Remember, I was a new Christian.
Anyway, after a short while of standing up front, I was "slain in the spirit." I fell backwards and could not get off the floor for 20 to 30 minutes. I simply couldn't move. When I finally got up I noticed I couldn't move my hands. They had been paralyzed into what I can only describe as a lobster claw. I tried for a bit to open them but couldn't. I remember looking at them and thinking, "this looks evil." A woman in the church finally approached me, so I showed her my hands and told her I was unable to open them. She immediately called a few other people over to pray over them. The paralysis immediately released and I could move them like normal again. After that, they went on to tell me how special I was that that happened.
We left for home, and I was a bit conflicted. On one hand (no pun intended), I wanted to believe this special thing happened to me and I truly was special. On the other hand, it just didn't feel right. Why, if what happened truly came from God, would it have to be "prayed away?" I then got online and started searching and searching for scriptural proof, writing to pastors, praying, studying my Bible, etc., but couldn't find the scripture to back it up. We left the AOG church and now attend a Southern Baptist church 10 years later.
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RE: Man injured after being slain in the spirit - 6/24/2008 12:29:43 AM
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cheeky_monkey
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quote:
ORIGINAL: SonInMe1
Revelation 1:17
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.
When I read this first, I immediately think of my daughter when she was just a toddler. She was terrified of the vacuum cleaner. When I would run it, she would immediately drop to the floor as though she were dead and wouldn't move until the vacuum cleaner was shut off.
I'm in no way comparing Jesus to a vacuum cleaner, I'm just saying how do you know this isn't the case in this verse?
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RE: Man injured after being slain in the spirit - 6/24/2008 8:38:03 AM
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SonInMe1
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Its not the only instance in the bible when a person met up with God or an angel and fell prostrate.
Having a "one on one" with God can be overwhelming. Now, I believe about 90% of this falling down stuff is either fake or induced but I can't prove that either. All I know was I never faked anything. I never "fell down" because I never fell down.
I wasn't berated for it or made to feel less a christian. I served in various areas and that wasn't something I was banned from because I did not fall down.
I have witnessed people who fake it. Its not always easy to tell but you can once in a while. I have also witnessed the real thing.
I am neither for it or against it. I would urge people...just to be real.
By the way this can be equated to people who can't enter a state of worship without being moved by music. Its kinda the same thing as falling down to "peer pressure". You should enter worship without the emotionalism of music...a beat or lyric moving you.
I have been moved by the Spirit in prayer and by being blessed by God in ways I found...astonishing. No music or ceremony or a pastor's moving sermon. It just...happens. I wasn't coerced into it. I found myself...just moved.
God did it, not me.
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RE: Man injured after being slain in the spirit - 6/24/2008 8:47:24 AM
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earthless
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SonInMe1,
There is the passage where the Pharisee's are after Jesus and they then fall backwards - that is a classic case in point. What you find in Scripture is the enemies of Christ falling backwards. You don't find the friends of Christ falling backwards. The friends of Christ fall forward in adoration, they don't fall backwards as the phenomenon as slain in the spirit would have you believe you do.
And the reason you fall backwards, is because that is an easure function to manipulate, particularly if you have catchers. As opposed to falling forward. There is an absolute absence of catchers in Scripture as well. Why would you need catchers at all?! If this was a sovereign work of God.
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RE: Man injured after being slain in the spirit - 6/24/2008 8:53:04 AM
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SonInMe1
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Like I said, I am not saying it is wrong or right...just be genuine. The machinations of it doesn't concern me.
The reality does.
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You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
James 4:4
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RE: Man injured after being slain in the spirit - 6/24/2008 11:42:40 AM
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SinnerSaved
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quote:
ORIGINAL: earthless
SonInMe1,
There is the passage where the Pharisee's are after Jesus and they then fall backwards - that is a classic case in point. What you find in Scripture is the enemies of Christ falling backwards. You don't find the friends of Christ falling backwards. The friends of Christ fall forward in adoration, they don't fall backwards as the phenomenon as slain in the spirit would have you believe you do.
And the reason you fall backwards, is because that is an easure function to manipulate, particularly if you have catchers. As opposed to falling forward. There is an absolute absence of catchers in Scripture as well. Why would you need catchers at all?! If this was a sovereign work of God.
John 18:4-6
Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye? They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
Earthless - Is this the passage you are referring to?
If so, they fell backwards because of Christs revealed divinity. Notice in the passage, taken from the KJV that the word 'he' is in italics. This means that the translators added this word to make the sentence make sense in their eyes. However, in this case, they should not have done so. Jesus said what He meant to say - 'I AM'. This was why they went backward and fell to the ground. In that fleeting moment, they knew He was the great I AM.
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RE: Man injured after being slain in the spirit - 6/24/2008 12:37:04 PM
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earthless
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"they went backward, and fell to the ground. " Does that mean they fell backwards? Or that they went (moved) backwards and then fell forward?
We would have to start reading into Scripture to say for sure on either one. The KJV places a comma in a spot that is rather interesting when reading your response.
Does the "fell" mean they simply prostrating in adoration and awe?
The point still remains the phenom of what has been documented in the official "Slain in the Spirit" thread in the 'Church' sub-forum is absent from Scripture, absent from the ministry of Jesus, absent from the times of the Apostle Paul and or any of the disciples.
No catchers, no need to worry about being physically hurt, or exposing naked private parts due to a "move" of the Holy Spirit.
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RE: Man injured after being slain in the spirit - 6/24/2008 1:20:41 PM
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SinnerSaved
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quote:
ORIGINAL: earthless
The point still remains the phenom of what has been documented in the official "Slain in the Spirit" thread in the 'Church' sub-forum is absent from Scripture, absent from the ministry of Jesus, absent from the times of the Apostle Paul and or any of the disciples.
No catchers, no need to worry about being physically hurt, or exposing naked private parts due to a "move" of the Holy Spirit.
I agree entirely.
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RE: Man injured after being slain in the spirit - 6/24/2008 3:00:35 PM
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cheeky_monkey
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I don't see Revelation 1:17 as being consistent with my experience with being "slain in the spirit" and that of what I saw at the revival or on TV or youtube. Revelation 1:17 shows his falling as a fear reaction. I've never known being "slain in the spirit" to be a fear reaction.
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RE: Man injured after being slain in the spirit - 6/24/2008 3:34:20 PM
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SinnerSaved
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About a year ago, I went to an advertised Christian 'healing meeting' in the conference room of a local hotel. It seemed to start OK with praise songs, but as I sat in the second row, I noted that there were a number of individuals sat on the floor in the front row and they were all 'twitching' extremely. I assumed that thay were there for healing. However, as others came and sat beside them and touched them, they entered into the same extreme 'twitch'. it was very disconcerting, as I hadn't a clue what was going on.
Someone gave a testimony about being released from alchol addiction and healed of kidney failure, but he also 'twitched' severely. The visiting 'Pastor' (I think he was from Brazil) came and 'twitched' with him. Then a lady, who seemed like something from the hippy days danced up and down and around with a tambourine - making no real melody or having any rhythm.
What stopped me leaving initially was the presence of a number of Christians I know and trust from my church. I felt uneasy, but convinced myself that unless they felt the same, I would see it out. As I sat watching what seemed like total confusion, I prayed for the Lord to give me the discernment to know what to do, and I felt the overwhelming requirement to leave.
As I got up to go, around 10 - 12 people got up with me and followed me out. Two days later in church, a number of those who stayed told me that I had missed a wonderful night during which many had been 'slain in the spirit', many were healed and some fell backwards in their chairs with no external force being applied. All of this, I was told, including the extreme 'twitching', was the work of the Holy Spirit.
I was/am very cynical about all of this, but who am I to tell other mature Christians that they are wrong? I felt confused. Why would I not feel the presence and the power of the Holy Spirit if these fellow Christians felt it?
The words that kept being repeated in my mind, however, were the ones I first posted in this thread:
1 Corinthians 14:33
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
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"No man is an island, entire of itself...any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee."
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