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RE: Buying Using The Internet - 6/6/2008 2:38:16 PM
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christsstar
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Internet transactions are at least as safe as anything else. When you hand your credit card to a waiter, what does he do with the card/number when he's out of sight? How do you know that the ATM in the gas station doesn't have a storage device inside logging all the card and PIN #'s entered? When you buy something at a regular store, what's to ensure that they don't transmit your info over an unsecure wireless connection as TJX did, losing over 45 MILLION credit card #'s in the process?
A couple thoughts. When buying online ... use a credit card not a debit card. Credit Card accounts are insured more than a checking account and if the number is stolen they will do more to help you out.
Regarding debit cards at gas stations. I won't use my card as a debit card unless I have no other option. For a couple reasons.
1) principle. Often times I'm charged to use it as a debit and not credit. Why should I be charged for one option and not the other?
2) I get points for using my card as a credit card, I don't for debit. (I actually recently switched to using a credit card for all gas/groceries to get more points, but that's a different story)
3) There's a story of AM/PM stations (ARCO) with machines in the billing station that steals card numbers and PINs from patrons in my area. So I'm scared to death to use my debit card there now. I actually went inside the store last week to purchase gas from an AM/PM because of this. Took me longer, but I felt safer about it. (I only got gas there because it was $0.10-15 cheaper than everyone else). I've heard this story in a variety of ways at various stores that have gizmos in the self-pay machines. I really miss the days of the cashier doing the work and the machines being out of the public's way to alter. Yet another reason I use my credit card more often than my debit.
Although I'm not sure how safe that is either since I sign away and who knows if anyone is watching my signature or if john smith could go in and use my card and no one would know. I've joked about wanting to sign my name, "Stolen Card" on the self-pay machine at the grocery store and see if anyone notices.
Yeah .... I don't trust anyone anymore. And I've never even been a victim.
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RE: Buying Using The Internet - 6/6/2008 2:39:36 PM
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We have a shredder here at work and I save my home account stuff that I would normally throw away, shred them here once a month and then toss them in the trash.
I never really thought about it, but shredding is kinda fun so I was doing it for that reason alone.  I felt like Fox Mulder.
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RE: Buying Using The Internet - 6/6/2008 2:43:17 PM
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christsstar
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I shred all my stuff at home. I have a small one. Mostly used for credit card apps and stuff.
I do all my banking online and most of my bills are ebills.
My dad scans all his statements and saves them on the computer, then shreds them. I dunno why he doesn't just do e-statements. Would save a lot of time/energy/paper.
But that's off-topic.
I've been buying online for years. I order groceries and pizza online even. A couple years ALL the christmas presents were purchased online.
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RE: Buying Using The Internet - 6/6/2008 2:53:10 PM
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kernsfamily
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Internet transactions are at least as safe as anything else. When you hand your credit card to a waiter, what does he do with the card/number when he's out of sight? How do you know that the ATM in the gas station doesn't have a storage device inside logging all the card and PIN #'s entered? When you buy something at a regular store, what's to ensure that they don't transmit your info over an unsecure wireless connection as TJX did, losing over 45 MILLION credit card #'s in the process?
A couple thoughts. When buying online ... use a credit card not a debit card. Credit Card accounts are insured more than a checking account and if the number is stolen they will do more to help you out.
Regarding debit cards at gas stations. I won't use my card as a debit card unless I have no other option. For a couple reasons.
1) principle. Often times I'm charged to use it as a debit and not credit. Why should I be charged for one option and not the other?
2) I get points for using my card as a credit card, I don't for debit. (I actually recently switched to using a credit card for all gas/groceries to get more points, but that's a different story)
3) There's a story of AM/PM stations (ARCO) with machines in the billing station that steals card numbers and PINs from patrons in my area. So I'm scared to death to use my debit card there now. I actually went inside the store last week to purchase gas from an AM/PM because of this. Took me longer, but I felt safer about it. (I only got gas there because it was $0.10-15 cheaper than everyone else). I've heard this story in a variety of ways at various stores that have gizmos in the self-pay machines. I really miss the days of the cashier doing the work and the machines being out of the public's way to alter. Yet another reason I use my credit card more often than my debit.
I've never owned or used a CREDIT CARD in 5+ years....have not had ANY 'issues' at all.....(and, i get those pesky little points, too)....and, never charged extra....there's isn't one thing I have done, in which I have had problems using my debit card....
got tired of CREDIT card companies always finding ways to scam me...so, I "fired" them....
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RE: Buying Using The Internet - 6/6/2008 2:55:57 PM
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kernsfamily
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Mostly used for credit card apps and stuff.
I've been buying online for years. I order groceries and pizza online even. A couple years ALL the christmas presents were purchased online.
we ordered a pizza online last weekend! what a riot (kids had fun doing it)!!!
what do I do with the STACKS of credit card apps that we get? I shred them.....THEN, I put them in their respective "pre-paid postage" envelopes, and MAIL them BACK to where they came from.....
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RE: Buying Using The Internet - 6/6/2008 3:32:12 PM
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what do I do with the STACKS of credit card apps that we get? I shred them.....THEN, I put them in their respective "prepaid postage" envelopes, and MAIL them BACK to where they came from.....
LOL!
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RE: Buying Using The Internet - 6/6/2008 3:49:53 PM
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christsstar
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Mostly used for credit card apps and stuff.
I've been buying online for years. I order groceries and pizza online even. A couple years ALL the christmas presents were purchased online.
we ordered a pizza online last weekend! what a riot (kids had fun doing it)!!!
what do I do with the STACKS of credit card apps that we get? I shred them.....THEN, I put them in their respective "pre-paid postage" envelopes, and MAIL them BACK to where they came from.....
That's funny!
I opened one and found fine print that said I could opt out of the apps. I did. I'm getting less anyway.
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I've never owned or used a CREDIT CARD in 5+ years....have not had ANY 'issues' at all.....(and, i get those pesky little points, too)....and, never charged extra....there's isn't one thing I have done, in which I have had problems using my debit card....
I've never had any problems either, but better safe than sorry. I pay my credit card off every month. And I've had the same one since college. I don't have a million, just two.
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RE: Buying Using The Internet - 6/6/2008 9:08:56 PM
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I have never bought anything using the internet and am considering
doing this and would like to know how others feel about doing this
and what have your results been and how safe is it.I just do not want
someone getting my bank card numbers and using my card as some
of those hackers concern me.Thanks for any help! Mike
Your concern is well-founded. I have been a victim of identity theft twice. One was they used my card as you describe and charged over a thousand dollars.
The second is much worse. They stole my identity, sent my credit rating from excellent to fair. They put me as a co-signer on two houses that I have never even heard of, plus other charges.
I never thought it would happen to me. And, I don't even use my credit card that much 
How did they steal your identity? Was it through an internet transaction or through some other means?
Internet transactions are at least as safe as anything else. When you hand your credit card to a waiter, what does he do with the card/number when he's out of sight? How do you know that the ATM in the gas station doesn't have a storage device inside logging all the card and PIN #'s entered? When you buy something at a regular store, what's to ensure that they don't transmit your info over an unsecure wireless connection as TJX did, losing over 45 MILLION credit card #'s in the process?
I'd actually trust an internet sale through a reputable site more than most other forms of sale. The fewer actual people involved, the better.
-Dan.
It is quite easy to second quess until it happens to you
I hope you don't have to go through it....
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RE: Buying Using The Internet - 6/6/2008 9:47:35 PM
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It is quite easy to second quess until it happens to you
I hope you don't have to go through it....
I'm not second guessing you or doubting that it happened, I'm just trying to put things in perspective. Conducting business over the internet in and of itself isn't more perilous than anything else. Where things are risky are the integrity of the people handling your info and the security of the databases storing it.
-Dan.
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RE: Buying Using The Internet - 6/6/2008 10:09:04 PM
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A lot of people get their identities stolen from people they know (family members, etc) or employees at businesses.
I am sorry that it happened to you but reputable companies online have the credit card info encrypted so no one sees the entire number.
Also retail places are supposed to have made all receipts show only the last 4 numbers on the receipt, but it is a good idea to watch who you hand your card too so they don't take a photo of the card or swipe it into a system that steals the numbers.
Even if you paid all in cash there could still be a way for someone to steal your identity. All they need is your ssn
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RE: Buying Using The Internet - 6/6/2008 11:29:47 PM
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It is quite easy to second quess until it happens to you
I hope you don't have to go through it....
I'm not second guessing you or doubting that it happened, I'm just trying to put things in perspective. Conducting business over the internet in and of itself isn't more perilous than anything else. Where things are risky are the integrity of the people handling your info and the security of the databases storing it.
-Dan.
Thank you...........
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RE: Buying Using The Internet - 6/6/2008 11:32:27 PM
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A lot of people get their identities stolen from people they know (family members, etc) or employees at businesses.
Family members 
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RE: Buying Using The Internet - 6/7/2008 9:43:25 AM
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A lot of people get their identities stolen from people they know (family members, etc) or employees at businesses.
Family members
Yeah--believe it or not, *every* instance of identity theft in our local paper has been done either a family member or a friend of a family member. Sad, huh?
And there was an article in this morning's paper about 6200 student at the local university who received letters saying their personal information was on a laptop that was stolen. They claim the info was encrypted, and that the chances of anyone's recovering the information is ver small--but I have to wonder why the information was on a laptop in the first place.
Everywhere we go, people demand information from us and we give it to them. Go to the doctor's office, and they require our SS number. Why? They do not need that information. In fact, no one but your employer really has an reason to ask for your SS number, if they are not the government.
I was very relieved that the last time I got a new driver's license, they did not print my SS number on the license. That always fried me--ever bit of info a thief would need was right there 
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RE: Buying Using The Internet - 6/7/2008 1:37:18 PM
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Yeah--believe it or not, *every* instance of identity theft in our local paper has been done either a family member or a friend of a family member. Sad, huh?
Well, this is an eye-opener. I guess I have some more investigating to do. A family member is currently trying to steal quite a bit of money from me in another way. Thousands of dollars. (They are about to get caught)
It never even crossed my mind to look into whether this same family member might be the one who did the big-time identity theft on me. But I will look into it now.
This has been the year of the enemy coming against my finances, to say the least...
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RE: Buying Using The Internet - 6/8/2008 11:55:52 AM
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{{{Cherished}}}
I am so sorry. I will pray for you.
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RE: Buying Using The Internet - 6/8/2008 12:52:24 PM
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{{{Cherished}}}
I am so sorry. I will pray for you.
Thank you, so much. Please pray that I would be able to come up with the money to hire a lawyer....I need help in this...
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RE: Buying Using The Internet - 6/8/2008 1:23:19 PM
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If what you are looking for is available locally from a locally owned business buy it locally and support your local economy. BTW local branches of large chains don't help the local economy does as much as the locally owned stores do.
A lot of local businesses are on the web. My parents have an bookbinding business, and they rely heavily on internet orders.
We are doing more online shopping. We've only had one time where we ever had a problem, and that was because I got suckered into a blinking ad saying I'd won a new laptop.  From that experienced I learned that if I'm unsure about whether or not a site is legit, I can check it out on the Better Business Bureau's website.
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RE: Buying Using The Internet - 6/12/2008 10:02:07 PM
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I've thankfully have not had any problems buying online.
Make sure the page, where the credit card information is taken. is a secured page. It will have a padlock (usually yellow) on the screen in the bottom right corner. Or the page's web url address will change from http:// to https:// (s for secure)
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