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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 1:09:49 PM
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SusieD
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kernsfamily,
I was not critisizing you...simply giving food for thought. I am not saying it is always wrong to wear armani suits and $500 watches. Just to think about how we are spending our money and question whether or not it is honoring to the Lord.
Julie
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 2:28:47 PM
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kernsfamily
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kernsfamily,
I was not critisizing you...simply giving food for thought. I am not saying it is always wrong to wear armani suits and $500 watches. Just to think about how we are spending our money and question whether or not it is honoring to the Lord.
Julie
As should ALL Christians.....rich & poor. And everyone in between.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 3:19:08 PM
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especially if it makes some poor soul inhibited from attending church with the uppity people.
that "comment"/idea is a "two-way" street...
you're not saying that because the majority of a congegation choose to dress nicely for church (nicer than some people are able to), that those people are to be "labeled" as "uppity"???
Uppity was probably too strong a word. So let me put it this way, my Bible Study class (between 50 & 75 attend weekly) has been heavily involved in reaching out in our neighborhood to the unchurched in various ways. The most often comment we've heard has been from people that didn't think they were "good enough to attend church" with us. That hasn't been an indictment of any sort, it is just their perception based on the way people dressed going in and out our church.
While a few of our class members dress like the First Baptist Church folk, enough of us have given up ties that we have a steadily growing number of neighborhood guests, conversions, and new members to make me feel that the new direction is better than my old spit-and-polish ways.
FYI & FWIW, I've always been kinda square. I've always a short haircut and only wear jeans as work clothes (I do not even wear them to WalMart). I spent over 9 years in the Navy and I still have a teeny bit of a military mindset. But I've learned that people are more important than a perfect exterior.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 5:22:04 PM
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kernsfamily
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So I suppose if we were capable of seeing into the hearts of everyone we would discover that across ALL dress categories, some folks would not be dressing with Him in mind, but with themselves in mind:
-The person, who intentionally wore the flashy/$$ clothing/accessories not to dress for the Lord, but to impress some people of the congregation.
-The woman who selected the revealing outfit for the day to secure male attention to feed her insecurities.
-The man who put on flip-flops/shorts for worship, not because it was customary comfortable clothing for him, but because he didn’t feel like preparing his heart for worship that day- in attire or spirit.
There have been some times that I'd be ashamed to show you what was in my heart! 
AND, you'll also see:
- the person who wore the expensive clothes, but, to him, those were just "every day" clothes (or, perhaps he's a person who dresses "sunday best" when going to church, as many people do)....and, he could have dressed even "flashier" if he REALLY wanted to "impress"....but, is really a "low-key" kind of guy. Regardless of what his clothing "says"....."impressing" anyone was the furthest thing from his mind....
- The woman in the so-called "revealing" outfit, who, pulled the dress from the closet and didn't think it was "revealing" or "immodest" at all....she just knew it was comfortable for the 115-degree day, and truly thought it was suitable for church
- The flip-flops/shorts guy....because, day-in-day out, it IS "customary" for him....since, he's some kind of "electrical engineer" guy in the semiconductor business, and, TYPICALLY, the last thing people like them worry about is how they look.....EVER.....
(believe me, i worked at a semiconductor company for 4 years a while back...)
Bottom line....regardless of what we SEE people wear.....NO ONE really knows what is IN their HEARTS....and their MOTIVE as to why they wear what they do.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 5:27:15 PM
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So I suppose if we were capable of seeing into the hearts of everyone we would discover that across ALL dress categories, some folks would not be dressing with Him in mind, but with themselves in mind:
-The person, who intentionally wore the flashy/$$ clothing/accessories not to dress for the Lord, but to impress some people of the congregation.
-The woman who selected the revealing outfit for the day to secure male attention to feed her insecurities.
-The man who put on flip-flops/shorts for worship, not because it was customary comfortable clothing for him, but because he didn’t feel like preparing his heart for worship that day- in attire or spirit.
There have been some times that I'd be ashamed to show you what was in my heart!
AND, you'll also see:
- the person who wore the expensive clothes, but, to him, those were just "every day" clothes (or, perhaps he's a person who dresses "sunday best" when going to church, as many people do)....and, he could have dressed even "flashier" if he REALLY wanted to "impress"....but, is really a "low-key" kind of guy. Regardless of what his clothing "says"....."impressing" anyone was the furthest thing from his mind....
- The woman in the so-called "revealing" outfit, who, pulled the dress from the closet and didn't think it was "revealing" or "immodest" at all....she just knew it was comfortable for the 115-degree day, and truly thought it was suitable for church
- The flip-flops/shorts guy....because, day-in-day out, it IS "customary" for him....since, he's some kind of "electrical engineer" guy in the semiconductor business, and, TYPICALLY, the last thing people like them worry about is how they look.....EVER.....
(believe me, i worked at a semiconductor company for 4 years a while back...)
Bottom line....regardless of what we SEE people wear.....NO ONE really knows what is IN their HEARTS....and their MOTIVE as to why they wear what they do.
PERHAPS my point was not clear- generalizations about what is in the heart of people CANNOT be made based on their clothing- accross any of the categories because we DO NOT know what is in their heart- only HE does.
I intentionally used 'the person', 'the woman', 'the man', in my examples to show that there can be struggling people in ANY of the categories. Again this was NOT a generalization.
Edited for addition.
< Message edited by Stronger2day -- 6/23/2008 5:51:29 PM >
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 5:45:53 PM
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kernsfamily
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I intentionally used 'the person', 'the woman', 'the man', in my examples to show that there can be struggling people in ANY for the categories. Again this was NOT a generalization.
and, my point was: just because someone might fall into one of those categories: Dresses extremely well in expensive clothes, dresses a bit more "immodestly" than you do, or dresses far more "casually" than you do.....doesn't necessarily mean that they are "struggling" people at all! (it could be that WE are "struggling" more than they are).....they are simply individuals...who simply dress differently from you and me....period.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 5:49:40 PM
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kernsfamily
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The flip-flops/shorts guy....because, day-in-day out, it IS "customary" for him....since, he's some kind of "electrical engineer" guy in the semiconductor business, and, TYPICALLY, the last thing people like them worry about is how they look.....EVER.....
PS, not that it matters, but you brought it up- my huband is an EE in aerospace and he still dresses more formally at service (because that's what HE'S convicted to do, not because it's required). 
too funny....i was just thinking of most of the people I worked with at a local semiconductor company....for some of them, you were lucky if they had on a CLEAN t-shirt....(and, these guys made SERIOUS money, too).....but, spending any kind of money on clothes was WAY down on their "priority list"....they had to make sure they had the extra money for the latest/greatest electronic gadgets....
well, i dress better than your average "art director/graphic designer" type of person, too....on ANY day....
personally, i can't stand looking "sloppy" at all....but, that's just me....
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 6:01:34 PM
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Stronger2day
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too funny....i was just thinking of most of the people I worked with at a local semiconductor company....for some of them, you were lucky if they had on a CLEAN t-shirt....(and, these guys made SERIOUS money, too).....but, spending any kind of money on clothes was WAY down on their "priority list"....they had to make sure they had the extra money for the latest/greatest electronic gadgets....
well, i dress better than your average "art director/graphic designer" type of person, too....on ANY day....
personally, i can't stand looking "sloppy" at all....but, that's just me....
My husband grew up in a town where suits were worn every Sunday. He wears to church /buttwhat he wears to work- slacks and polos/button-ups.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 6:12:44 PM
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Stronger2day
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I intentionally used 'the person', 'the woman', 'the man', in my examples to show that there can be struggling people in ANY for the categories. Again this was NOT a generalization.
and, my point was: just because someone might fall into one of those categories: Dresses extremely well in expensive clothes, dresses a bit more "immodestly" than you do, or dresses far more "casually" than you do.....doesn't necessarily mean that they are "struggling" people at all! (it could be that WE are "struggling" more than they are).....they are simply individuals...who simply dress differently from you and me....period.
My post was not criticizing any one category of dress, but trying to show that there are some who may not be right in their hearts with regards to clothing they selected on a certain day/or always * regardless * of the style (dressed up, casual) . I humbly used myself as an example who had done this before. Will we ever know? No. Should we judge? No. Just a point I’d thought I’d share.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/23/2008 10:23:12 PM
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Hey everyone. I don't post here often, and haven't in a while, but I stopped by and this thread caught my eye. I've just read through the whole thing and I guess I'm not surprised, but yet I am surprised that people care so much about this topic.
I could be wrong, but I don't remember anyone posting scripture that states specifically what type of clothes should be worn to church. I don't mean specific articles of clothing either, but something that states what level of dress is required. I'm gonna say I'm pretty sure that's because there isn't a scripture that states such a command. That being said, why do we care so much about how folks dress? It'd be like me saying you shouldn't eat chicken nuggets at McDonalds, because I believe only cheeseburgers are appropriate for McDonalds. You'd probably say, well, you're entitled to your opinion. Which, as far as I can tell, this thread is a bunch of opinions without much scriptural support.
I say, if you want to dress nice, dress nice. If you want to dress casual, dress casual. Dress and act modest, and remember why we go to church, to worship God and be edified together in community as the body of Christ.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/24/2008 8:55:30 AM
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1 Timothy 2:9
I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/24/2008 9:35:52 AM
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1 Timothy 2:9
I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,
It is easy to get away from Scripture in these discussions, thanks for posting this to remind us of the only dress code that matters.
Thanks
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/24/2008 10:03:58 AM
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Even the braided hair has to be kept in context of the styles of the day... I doubt women would be condemned today for getting the braiding that some women do now to keep their hair managable.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/24/2008 10:15:14 AM
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JimboFletch
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Even the braided hair has to be kept in context of the styles of the day... I doubt women would be condemned today for getting the braiding that some women do now to keep their hair managable.
Agreed. In fact, the WHOLE thought did not end with just verse 9, it was conpleted in verse 10:
Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness.
I believe Paul was saying that Christ-like actions during the rest of the week define proper adornment of the Christian woman, not the clothes & jewelry worn to the assembly.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/24/2008 10:33:40 AM
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Yes, this is definitely bringing out both sides of the issue and not pleasing everyone. In fact, it seems to have a few riled up. My original post wasn't intended to offend, criticize, ostracize, nor look down upon any one who didn't dress for church the way I feel called to dress. Nor do I favor dress codes. I was only stating a personal preference and reason for that preference.
I realize that God is not judging me on my attire and I'm not trying to impress any of the congregation, some who have more material possessions than I, some have less.
The church I attend has two services on Sunday mornings, an early worship service where they dress pretty casually, and a later traditional service where there a lot (not all) suits, ties, dresses, etc. In a few weeks, as a lay speaker, I'll be conducting both services, with my wife. For the traditional service, I'll wear a suit and tie. For the early service, I'll probably not wear the jacket and tie.
Just the way I am,
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Thank you, HisFish, for echoing my thoughts at the beginning of this thread. It's just a matter of respect for those of us who do own something besides flip-flops and jeans.
-Dave
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If you were asked to meet with the president at some whitehouse function you would dress to the nines, but for God you give him flip-flops, jeans and hawaiian shirts. Ya, thats class, way to go church. Please dont answer me about God only caring about whats on the inside, do you put as much thought about how you dress going to church as you do going to 7-11. Too many "christians" these days give The Creator of everything no more respect than they do to the clerk behind the counter. Giving God our best dosent make us better or more spiritual, it's just a matter of respect. If you dont own, or cant afford a suit and tie, or nice dress im not down on those who dont, but give him the best you have.
then, again....giving "our best" also brings criticism from "the other side" of the discussion:
SusieD, this morning said:
Wonder what Jesus thinks of spending so much money on outward appearance, when so many are lacking in basic neccesities?
so, do I go to church wearing my "BEST" (and get criticized for doing so...and spending so much money on "outward appearance")......even though it's my usual "office apparel" that I wear 5 days a week....
OR, do I go in much more "casual wear" (and get criticized for doing so....as I can afford much more than "shorts & Flip flops", and want to show respect for where I am at....)
as with many other things regarding church....either way, you're not going to please everyone.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/24/2008 3:03:53 PM
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Even the braided hair has to be kept in context of the styles of the day... I doubt women would be condemned today for getting the braiding that some women do now to keep their hair managable.
I never thought of the phrase braided hair meant a simple braid, but an elaborate hair style.
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/24/2008 9:46:14 PM
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How about those stereotypical southern women's big hairdos?
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/24/2008 11:22:38 PM
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RE: Clothes you Wear to Church - 6/25/2008 8:47:29 AM
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Goodness, that is judgemental. Your bottom part of your legss exposed?? If you are like me, and I think you are in this sense for sure. We do not go to church on a man hunt. (LOL). Capris, are a happy medium between shorts, and jeans. Wed. it so hard to get everyone, dinner, and life togather to go to Bible Study, I am not doing a skirt. Sunday I like to dress up, I just like to look nice. Like I said my three daughters wear jeans. So much for the Martha Minatures, and Bows when they were little.  Two of them dress wierd, and I fight that one alot. One is a little prep, so she does ok. The other two the middle and little, would be semi-goth if I let them, which I do not. Our church is a young church, so most dress like college kids. I do not care as long, as someones teeth look clean, and the underarms do not stink. 
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I wear capris on Wed.
Years ago at another church I used to attend I wore capris on a wed night and was confronted about wearing shorts. not by the pastor but other women in the church. They said they would never wear "Shorts" to service. They were mid calf length, hardly what I'd call shorts. 
I went to a new church a few sundays ago and I was the only woman wearing pants. The pastor's wife and a few others are dresses only. If I continue to attend I'll wear a skirt out of respect to others but it's not what I'm convicted to wear.
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