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RE: George Wythe College - 6/20/2008 8:25:50 PM
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bzirk
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I think I'm going to see if the moderators can 86 this thread, because I'm really not trying to bad mouth anyone, and maybe it's just my opinion and there is nothing to be bothered about.
OTOH, I am disturbed by what I see in the Mormon community. There is a definite attempt to meld with Christians or give the appearance of doing so. This really bothers me, and given that experience, perhaps I'm overreacting to the promotion of this school at the Christian homeschool conference. Heck, I don't know, but I'm not sure I want to talk about it anymore or even have my thoughts on it out on this forum. I'm sorry I brought it up.
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RE: George Wythe College - 6/20/2008 10:36:57 PM
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I think I'm going to see if the moderators can 86 this thread, because I'm really not trying to bad mouth anyone, and maybe it's just my opinion and there is nothing to be bothered about.
OTOH, I am disturbed by what I see in the Mormon community. There is a definite attempt to meld with Christians or give the appearance of doing so. This really bothers me, and given that experience, perhaps I'm overreacting to the promotion of this school at the Christian homeschool conference. Heck, I don't know, but I'm not sure I want to talk about it anymore or even have my thoughts on it out on this forum. I'm sorry I brought it up.
I am the moderator.  There is nothing wrong with this thread. There is nothing wrong with you airing your concerns here. I'm sorry that you are regretting starting this thread. I think it's been a good, worthwhile discussion.
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RE: George Wythe College - 6/21/2008 7:12:09 AM
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I think this is a necessary discussion, if for no other reason than to make people aware of the fact that they must do their own research and read the fine print for themselves, and not take for granted that institutions or organizations are acceptable because they saw their ad in a Christian magazine or their booth at a Christian convention.
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RE: George Wythe College - 6/21/2008 7:31:22 AM
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I agree with Sunnymom. I've seen an alarming trend in Christian education, health programs, nutrition/holistic programs, churches,etc...-people following people or ideas simply because they used some Christian terminology, added the word "doctor" to their name, or dropped a few legitimate sounding names.
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RE: George Wythe College - 6/21/2008 11:45:27 AM
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I agree with Julia and Sunnymom. Just because something has a Christian label or Christianeze, doesn't mean it will really be Christian or even if it is, it may have some serious differences than what you may believe. One of the good things about these forums is the ability to discuss these issues with people far and wide to get opinions and input. We've covered quite a lot of ideas and information in this thread that I think is helpful and could help others to look deeper into some of their programs and curriculum. I think the first I was made aware of DeMille's background was from Bzirk brining it up on these forums. It caused me to look into it more deeply and to put a lot of thought into the whole Thomas Jefferson Education approach.
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RE: George Wythe College - 6/21/2008 2:30:53 PM
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bzirk
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I guess I don't want to make a smear campaign against someone without really knowing what's going, and that's why I felt uneasy about the thread. Some of my statements have been pretty strong about the things that are bugging me. Perhaps expressing that and the excellent commentary I've gotten from all of you is worthwhile for others to read. I hope so.
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RE: George Wythe College - 6/21/2008 3:03:00 PM
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cynthia
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Bzirk, I don't see anywhere that you've smeared anyone. You are voicing concerns and discussing it rationally. You are not making rash statements or accusing anyone of anything. When people put themselves out in the public realm and especially when they are selling something of a philosophical nature, they should expect to be questioned and for people to discuss their products. That is exactly what we are doing here. No personal attacks have been made. The concerns and questions you have brought up are not only valid, but it is important to discuss these matters openly and honestly. If a product, a book, a teaching method cannot stand up to scruitny, then it should not be on the market in the first place.
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RE: George Wythe College - 6/25/2008 11:38:37 AM
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Just a couple of ideas --
Mormons do consider themselves Christians, and talk (more than evangelicals, I think) of the "gospel of Jesus Christ". But they do not mean the same thing as we do. They do believe that to get to heaven you have to do works. That is the opposite of the gospel (good news) that Jesus has done the work, and it is finished. So one has to clarify definitions before having the conversation on Mormonism. They are allies in morality, and for instance, were a strong influence on defeating the ERA back in the 70s and 80s, and the denomination is pro-life, and has exerted political pressure in that direction. As a friend of mine would put it, they are friends, not brothers, in the biblical sense.
Re beliefs and colleges, here is the vision and mission statement at one overtly Christian college (that takes world view seriously). I look for not just Christian, but the name of Christ. One has to investigate, not just draw conclusions:
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Vision and Mission of BC
BC prepares students academically and spiritually to serve Christ Jesus in their careers, in human relationships, and in the world of ideas.
BC affirms the Lordship of Christ over all aspects of life, acknowledges the Bible as the foundational authority for the development of a personal worldview, and recognizes each individual’s career as a calling from God. Each academic department is committed to high academic goals for its students and clarifies the implications of biblical truth for its discipline. BC upholds these commitments in offering undergraduate or graduate programs, by conventional or technological delivery modes, and in local, national, and international venues. The College requires a liberal arts foundation in each undergraduate degree program in order to best prepare students to contribute to a diverse, complex and fast-changing world.
By developing servant leaders who value integrity, compassion, and justice in all aspects of their lives, the College prepares people to serve, not to be served.
Next on their web site they have their Statement of Beliefs, which starts with the Triune God and includes their view of the Bible and their belief about salvation. I personally can't imagine why a college that would claim to be Christian would not have these documents on their web sites.
What makes me uneasy is any school that doesn't express its philosophy for the world to see. However, I'm not sure that George Wythe doesn't at least give an indication: the people's philosophies they purport to follow are Joan of Arc, Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Churchill, Gandhi, Martin Luther King and Mother Teresa. Now, what do those people have in common? (Here's a clue - don't think of how you taught them in your home school, remember how they were taught in public school.)
Honestly, all I know is that they were successful in public policy and were all religious.
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RE: George Wythe College - 6/25/2008 12:06:58 PM
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cynthia
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Honestly, all I know is that they were successful in public policy and were all religious.
Gail, I think you have nailed it.
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RE: George Wythe College - 6/26/2008 3:39:53 PM
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bzirk
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I agree. Very well put.
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